Something That Must Be Changed Re Scouting!!!

dac4m · 06-08-2007, 09:55 PM

in OOTP when your scout retires (or isnt resigned), you lose his rankings.... Its stupid. When a scout leaves a team in MLB baseball, dont you think he has to leave his notes behind?

My longtime scout I guess retired (or died???). He has simply disappeared from my staff. He had scouted the majors every year and had great rankings.

Now that he has left, I have no scouting of the major leagues for free agents. I can't make trades because I don't have rankings of any players. I don't know who to target. Yes I can quickly scout them but that is a pain in the

I can assign a new scout to scout the majors and get a report in only 280 days!!!

please please please fix this

Also, the team should get an automatic scouting report each year from the scout without having to request it,,, and not the sisn report.. that is a waste of dots on my computer screen

please fix this GLARING error
I seriously have lost a desire to continue my game because my team is completely lost here...

What should happen is I can rank thplayers based on my retired scout's dossier...

tcblcommish · 06-08-2007, 10:15 PM

I hate this also. This just happened to me actually, the other day and boy was I mad!!

I agree this needs to be fixed

AD31 · 06-08-2007, 11:01 PM

I mentioned this in another thread that the scouts need to be searched before leaving the building.

1998 Yankees · 06-08-2007, 11:03 PM

I agree with you guys but a few months ago, Markus said that this was done intentionally and unless he has changed his mind since, [it would appear that he] has no intentions of changing it. See this thread:

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=138087

Edit: I changed the above to be more accurate. I would have no idea what his intentions are, of course.

dac4m · 06-09-2007, 06:42 AM

In that thread Marcus said "This has not been changed, as this is basically intentional. This should you make think twice before you replace a scout with a different one...."

That is fine, but what about when the scout mysteriously retires or dies?

Shouldn't the scout give you an email 300 days in advance so you could have another scout on your team scout the majors?

If you are going for accuracy, there isn't any with the scouting aspect. First off, one scout's departure shouldn't CRUSH an organization. Second, the team would have his reports. If a MLB team changes GMs I dont think it takes 300 days (or whatever it takes in OOTP to scout the majors) to get a report

Also, do minor league scouts automatically scout the other teams? In the major league model in this game, it is impossible to scout a MLB and every minor organization which again is a flaw/

spark240 · 06-09-2007, 02:41 PM

You could just save copies of important scouting reports from time to time.

SandMan · 06-09-2007, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spark240

You could just save copies of important scouting reports from time to time.

Wouldn't it be cool to have the game offer to save a report, letting you define a folder and report name? Then you could simply save the reports you want, delete those you don't want, keep the important ones you need when your scout retires, dies or leaves your team....

spark240 · 06-09-2007, 04:35 PM

Yes, that would be convenient.

darkenigma510 · 06-09-2007, 04:58 PM

I mentioned earlier that EHM is a great model to base OOTP's scouting around:

saved reports

more automated tasks (such as "scout shortlist", scout specific positions, etc..)

written reports with commentary (such as "could be a first line centre" could be adapted to become "could be a starting centerfielder")

dac4m · 06-09-2007, 09:20 PM

Everyone plays the game differently and wants different things out of the game

I don't want the hassle of having to save a report, open it up and compare it to the free agent list. I would prefer the game automatically do this.

Why not make an option like:
Team automatically saves ratings from retired scouts? (y/n)

If you wanted to start anew you can choose to not have the reports. Why would someone choose this? Who knows.... But I guess that is Marcus's intent so maybe he would.

HH20xx convert · 06-10-2007, 10:38 AM

Saving reports from retired/fired/released scouts would certainly be more realistic---that work product belongs to the team, not the scout. The best solution would be to allow the ratings to be saved but not updated in any fashion, then the team would still need to assign its new scouts to the task to have the most up to date information available, but in the interim the increasingly dated reports from the old scouts would be better (and more realistic) than nothing. I hope Markus reads this thread and considers this change.

Kevin · 06-11-2007, 06:57 AM

My 2 cents:

Why would you have only one scout for the major league level. I have at least two scouts that fully scout major leagues as part of their task list. All others are set to quick scout the league as part of their tasklists. Free agency and trading are to important to only rely on one scout's opinion.

I also have all scouts assigned to the draft pool. Every scout should also periodically scout your own organization.

Granted, my league is a small one at twelve teams, so lots can get done in a year by the scouts.

Burgandy · 06-12-2007, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin

My 2 cents:

Why would you have only one scout for the major league level. I have at least two scouts that fully scout major leagues as part of their task list. All others are set to quick scout the league as part of their tasklists. Free agency and trading are to important to only rely on one scout's opinion.

I also have all scouts assigned to the draft pool. Every scout should also periodically scout your own organization.

Both good thoughts. I have all do the draft pool and periodically, my own organization. But as others stated, 280 days (or whatever it is) is an awfully long time to tie up one of your top scouts, especially if it's one of your best. I may go ahead and take your advice, though, and have one more fully scout the league.

Any other ideas for helpful ways to scout that aren't as time consuming?

A couple thoughts:

1) Have a couple scouts scout organizations that have positions of need. Example... you're biggest organizational weakness is catcher, you have a guy scout the other Top organizations at catcher.

Or 2) you could just scout the top pitching organizations. At least these may only take a few weeks to a month instead of the entire season.

Basically, you do something short-term that covers the best of the crop. Then you use your quick-scouts, etc, on other good potential acquisitions that aren't covered.

dac4m · 06-12-2007, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin

My 2 cents:

Why would you have only one scout for the major league level. I have at least two scouts that fully scout major leagues as part of their task list. All others are set to quick scout the league as part of their tasklists. Free agency and trading are to important to only rely on one scout's opinion.

I also have all scouts assigned to the draft pool. Every scout should also periodically scout your own organization.

Granted, my league is a small one at twelve teams, so lots can get done in a year by the scouts.

Having two scouts for the major league level doesn't help when they both retire... There is no warning when someone will retire.

I use one scout who has 20+ ratings (on a 1-20 scale).. I see no reason to use anyone else because any disagreement, I;d favor my super scout.

Again, the game should either:
A) Tell you when a scout will retire (with enough time to have a new scout analyze the majors, ie 280+ days)
B) Have teams keep ratings of retired scouts
C) Make the scout the majors process shorter OR newly hired head scouts have an automatic dossier they bring to your team

injury log · 06-12-2007, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dac4m

Having two scouts for the major league level doesn't help when they both retire... There is no warning when someone will retire.

Use one young scout, one old (or both young). Personnel never seem to retire before 60. I only hire young personnel anyway, because replacing them is boring.

dac4m · 06-12-2007, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by injury log

Use one young scout, one old (or both young). Personnel never seem to retire before 60. I only hire young personnel anyway, because replacing them is boring.

you can play the game you want ill play how I want

I want the ratings from my retired scout...

I dont want to think about the age of my scout to be honest.. I barely remember to resign my staff.. now I have to look at their age?

Sure there are ways to do it to always have ratings from the scout.. I realize that. I just dont want to have to do that.. Id rather have my scouts scout the world and not worry about them...

dac4m · 05-11-2008, 08:37 PM

bump to make sure this is fixed this year in ootp 9

i pre-ordered.. after this happened i stopped playing ootp 2007.. never got into it again

i want rankings to stay with the team even if a scout is fired/dies.. i dont think the team would throw away rankings when they fire a scout and have nothing to work with for the future

zekester91 · 05-11-2008, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dac4m

bump to make sure this is fixed this year in ootp 9

i pre-ordered.. after this happened i stopped playing ootp 2007.. never got into it again

i want rankings to stay with the team even if a scout is fired/dies.. i dont think the team would throw away rankings when they fire a scout and have nothing to work with for the future

Yes this has been changed, read: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...reenshots.html

The second or third screen shot description

Quote:

This is one of the new features, the written scouting reports! Also, OOTP 9
tracks past reports as well, one per year for every player in the game.
Also, you do not lose any scouting reports when you replace your scouting
director unlike previous versions

dac4m · 05-12-2008, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zekester91

Yes this has been changed, read: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...reenshots.html

The second or third screen shot description

key word is read which I failed to do. Thanks for pointing it out and thanks Markus (and team) for listening!

The Wolf · 05-13-2008, 05:58 PM

This kind of nonsense is why I always turn scouting off.

06-08-2007, 09:55 PM	#1
dac4m Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 73	Something That Must Be Changed Re Scouting!!! in OOTP when your scout retires (or isnt resigned), you lose his rankings.... Its stupid. When a scout leaves a team in MLB baseball, dont you think he has to leave his notes behind? My longtime scout I guess retired (or died???). He has simply disappeared from my staff. He had scouted the majors every year and had great rankings. Now that he has left, I have no scouting of the major leagues for free agents. I can't make trades because I don't have rankings of any players. I don't know who to target. Yes I can quickly scout them but that is a pain in the I can assign a new scout to scout the majors and get a report in only 280 days!!! please please please fix this Also, the team should get an automatic scouting report each year from the scout without having to request it,,, and not the sisn report.. that is a waste of dots on my computer screen please fix this GLARING error I seriously have lost a desire to continue my game because my team is completely lost here... What should happen is I can rank thplayers based on my retired scout's dossier... Last edited by dac4m; 06-08-2007 at 09:58 PM.

06-08-2007, 11:03 PM	#4
1998 Yankees Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yankee Stadium, back in 1998. Posts: 8,645	I agree with you guys but a few months ago, Markus said that this was done intentionally and unless he has changed his mind since, [it would appear that he] has no intentions of changing it. See this thread: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=138087 Edit: I changed the above to be more accurate. I would have no idea what his intentions are, of course. Last edited by 1998 Yankees; 06-09-2007 at 10:21 AM.

06-11-2007, 06:57 AM	#12
Kevin All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 503	My 2 cents: Why would you have only one scout for the major league level. I have at least two scouts that fully scout major leagues as part of their task list. All others are set to quick scout the league as part of their tasklists. Free agency and trading are to important to only rely on one scout's opinion. I also have all scouts assigned to the draft pool. Every scout should also periodically scout your own organization. Granted, my league is a small one at twelve teams, so lots can get done in a year by the scouts. __________________ It seems more like today than it did all day yesterday.

05-11-2008, 08:37 PM	#17
dac4m Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 73	bump bump to make sure this is fixed this year in ootp 9 i pre-ordered.. after this happened i stopped playing ootp 2007.. never got into it again i want rankings to stay with the team even if a scout is fired/dies.. i dont think the team would throw away rankings when they fire a scout and have nothing to work with for the future

06-08-2007, 10:15 PM	#2
tcblcommish Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 3,444	I hate this also. This just happened to me actually, the other day and boy was I mad!! I agree this needs to be fixed

06-08-2007, 11:01 PM	#3
AD31 Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 302	I mentioned this in another thread that the scouts need to be searched before leaving the building.

06-09-2007, 06:42 AM	#5
dac4m Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 73	In that thread Marcus said "This has not been changed, as this is basically intentional. This should you make think twice before you replace a scout with a different one...." That is fine, but what about when the scout mysteriously retires or dies? Shouldn't the scout give you an email 300 days in advance so you could have another scout on your team scout the majors? If you are going for accuracy, there isn't any with the scouting aspect. First off, one scout's departure shouldn't CRUSH an organization. Second, the team would have his reports. If a MLB team changes GMs I dont think it takes 300 days (or whatever it takes in OOTP to scout the majors) to get a report Also, do minor league scouts automatically scout the other teams? In the major league model in this game, it is impossible to scout a MLB and every minor organization which again is a flaw/

06-09-2007, 02:41 PM	#6
spark240 All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Highest county in the Virginia hills Posts: 637	You could just save copies of important scouting reports from time to time.

06-09-2007, 04:35 PM	#8
spark240 All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Highest county in the Virginia hills Posts: 637	Yes, that would be convenient.

06-09-2007, 04:58 PM	#9
darkenigma510 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Wild West Posts: 1,353	I mentioned earlier that EHM is a great model to base OOTP's scouting around: saved reports more automated tasks (such as "scout shortlist", scout specific positions, etc..) written reports with commentary (such as "could be a first line centre" could be adapted to become "could be a starting centerfielder")

06-09-2007, 09:20 PM	#10
dac4m Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 73	Everyone plays the game differently and wants different things out of the game I don't want the hassle of having to save a report, open it up and compare it to the free agent list. I would prefer the game automatically do this. Why not make an option like: Team automatically saves ratings from retired scouts? (y/n) If you wanted to start anew you can choose to not have the reports. Why would someone choose this? Who knows.... But I guess that is Marcus's intent so maybe he would.

06-10-2007, 10:38 AM	#11
HH20xx convert Minors (Triple A) Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 225	Saving reports from retired/fired/released scouts would certainly be more realistic---that work product belongs to the team, not the scout. The best solution would be to allow the ratings to be saved but not updated in any fashion, then the team would still need to assign its new scouts to the task to have the most up to date information available, but in the interim the increasingly dated reports from the old scouts would be better (and more realistic) than nothing. I hope Markus reads this thread and considers this change.