2007 New York Yankees Thread - Page 47

darkhorse · 06-11-2007, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by thomamon

I love George's budget, just not his input. When he interferes with the baseball people we wind up with people like Randy Johnson.......

The Big Unit is able to help the Yankee cause for one game. Yesterday, he outdueled Daisuke Matsuzaka in an Arizona win over the Red Sox.

Johnson is now 4-2, 3.52 ERA, 53.2 IP, 46 H, 22 R, and a K/W ratio of 70/11. The Diamondbacks will try to soldier on with this burden.

CommishJoe · 06-11-2007, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by darkhorse

The Big Unit is able to help the Yankee cause for one game. Yesterday, he outdueled Daisuke Matsuzaka in an Arizona win over the Red Sox.

Johnson is now 4-2, 3.52 ERA, 53.2 IP, 46 H, 22 R, and a K/W ratio of 70/11. The Diamondbacks will try to soldier on with this burden.

I'm still happy with the deal. The Yanks bolstered their minor leagues by trading away a disgruntled aging vet. Yes, he's doing well with ARZ this year and I'm happy to see it. However, even with the gift of hindsight, I wouldn't want to do things differently.

The point Tom was making was that the RJ deal reminded me of the kinds of deal Georgie pulled off in the 80s. Trade away kiddies for a 40 year old pitcher to pull off a quick fix. Names like Rick Rhoden (Doug Drabek), Ken Phelps (Jay Buhner), Steve Trout (Bob Tewksbury), and Joe Niekro (Jim Deshaies) are all deals that come to mind.

1998 Yankees · 06-11-2007, 04:42 PM

Same thing goes for Sheffield. I just would not have traded him to a team that you had to figure you might have to go through to make the playoffs.

thomamon · 06-11-2007, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CommishJoe

I'm still happy with the deal. The Yanks bolstered their minor leagues by trading away a disgruntled aging vet. Yes, he's doing well with ARZ this year and I'm happy to see it. However, even with the gift of hindsight, I wouldn't want to do things differently.

The point Tom was making was that the RJ deal reminded me of the kinds of deal Georgie pulled off in the 80s. Trade away kiddies for a 40 year old pitcher to pull off a quick fix. Names like Rick Rhoden (Doug Drabek), Ken Phelps (Jay Buhner), Steve Trout (Bob Tewksbury), and Joe Niekro (Jim Deshaies) are all deals that come to mind.

Exactly! I would have done that trade sending Unit to Arizona for a bag of baseballs, the fact that we got anything of value back was a huge bonus. I just wanted him out of here, we had way too many aging ego's last year. If you recall, the Yankees took off last year when Sheffield went on the DL and guys like Cabrera were given a chance to play. Too many ego's on one team is not a good thing. And the truth is, maybe A-Rod's poorer performance may have had to do with the ego's. On a side note, I'm not surprised Unit is doing well in Arizona, he's back in the NL and not having to face a DH every game. Guaranteed Roger doesn't sport the same ERA's he's had while in Houston.

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Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

Same thing goes for Sheffield. I just would not have traded him to a team that you had to figure you might have to go through to make the playoffs.

Good point, but none-the-less, all that really matters is he's gone.

Also, my list of Yankees I would like to move is down to two, Giambi and Mussina. For some reason, I was always dead set against him and Mussina, while I didn't mind him at first, I can't stand a cry baby player who likes to point the finger when he doesn't do well at everything except himself.

1998 Yankees · 06-11-2007, 08:03 PM

Sometimes it's best not to gamble that there is still a good year or two left in the tank and either trade a player while he still has value or hold off spending money on him that could be better spent on younger talent. I really don't care that Johnson has won all of four games this year or Sheffield is batting .281 or whatever. Both of them were crankasses and were dragging the team down with their attitudes. Good riddance to both, and welcome to the prospects that we got in return. Should one or two of them pan out in a couple of years, ain't nobody gonna be talking about Johnson and Sheffield here at that time, I guarantee you.

darkhorse · 06-11-2007, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

I really don't care that Johnson has won all of four games this year or Sheffield is batting .281 or whatever. Both of them were crankasses and were dragging the team down with their attitudes.

ROFL

thomamon · 06-11-2007, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

Sometimes it's best not to gamble that there is still a good year or two left in the tank and either trade a player while he still has value or hold off spending money on him that could be better spent on younger talent. I really don't care that Johnson has won all of four games this year or Sheffield is batting .281 or whatever. Both of them were crankasses and were dragging the team down with their attitudes. Good riddance to both, and welcome to the prospects that we got in return. Should one or two of them pan out in a couple of years, ain't nobody gonna be talking about Johnson and Sheffield here at that time, I guarantee you.

That's what I did after I found out they were both gone!!!

1998 Yankees · 06-11-2007, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by thomamon

Also, my list of Yankees I would like to move is down to two, Giambi and Mussina. For some reason, I was always dead set against him and Mussina, while I didn't mind him at first, I can't stand a cry baby player who likes to point the finger when he doesn't do well at everything except himself.

You don't get Newsday in NJ, and I don't know if this guy is syndicated, so I'll share his column with you. "Soaring with Giambi on DL" - I think you will enjoy it.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseba...orts-headlines

Regarding Mussina, I think he's done with the Yanks after this year unless he has a really strong back half.

thomamon · 06-11-2007, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

You don't get Newsday in NJ, and I don't know if this guy is syndicated, so I'll share his column with you. "Soaring with Giambi on DL" - I think you will enjoy it.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseba...orts-headlines

Regarding Mussina, I think he's done with the Yanks after this year unless he has a really strong back half.

Mussina signed a 2 year deal last year, so we're stuck with him past this year

I don't know why they just didn't either a) decline his option for this year b) not sign him to an extension c)see how he did this year before giving him an extension.

thomamon · 06-11-2007, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

You don't get Newsday in NJ, and I don't know if this guy is syndicated, so I'll share his column with you. "Soaring with Giambi on DL" - I think you will enjoy it.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseba...orts-headlines

Regarding Mussina, I think he's done with the Yanks after this year unless he has a really strong back half.

Great article! Oh what a great article!

1998 Yankees · 06-11-2007, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by thomamon

Mussina signed a 2 year deal last year, so we're stuck with him past this year

I don't know why they just didn't either a) decline his option for this year b) not sign him to an extension c)see how he did this year before giving him an extension.

I don't know why, until I read this, I was thinking that Mussina's contract was up this year. You're right, though; he signed a two-year deal last year. Lotsa money being paid to a guy who struggles to get through five innings these days.

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Great article! Oh what a great article!

Looks like Mussina and Giambi will be leaving the Yanks arm-in-arm after 2008, then. At this point, I don't see the club picking up Giambi's option for 2009 and I doubt they will re-sign the Moose.

mlyons · 06-12-2007, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by thomamon

If you recall, the Yankees took off last year when Sheffield went on the DL and guys like Cabrera were given a chance to play.

The Yankees were 29-20 when Sheffield started his long stint on the DL last year at the end of May. They went 17-15 for the next month afterwards. They didn't actually start taking off until just before the All-Star break when they won 9 of 10 after that awful 19-1 loss to Cleveland.

In other words, they did worse for quite a while after Sheffield got hurt.

CommishJoe · 06-12-2007, 10:42 AM

I don't agree with the "bag of baseballs" idea, but I liked the deals when they went down. I have no idea how the prospects will pan out, but I was figuring on Sanchez this year from the Sheff deal before his arm fell off.

Yes, having the egos off the team is probably a good thing, but the main reason why I was happy with both deals is the return. 5-6 kiddies for 2 aging disgruntled vets isn't a bad return.

Also, to put things in perspective, RJ was out in April too (when the Yanks would have needed him the most). Also, would the Yanks have re-signed Pettitte if RJ was still around?

edrooney · 06-12-2007, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by thomamon

Great article! Oh what a great article!

Interesting (by which I mean 'containing facts') examination of this article on FJM today.

Link

By any rational investigation, Giambi has actually been a very good player for the Yankees, save the season where he was injured most of the time. And the Yanks' 'resurgence' since Giambi has been on the DL has mainly been a result of hitters (Abreu, A-Rod in May) getting over uncharacteristic slumps, and performing as they were projected to.

Of course, all this is based on reasoning, and statistics, and proven methods for analysing baseball performance. It does not take into account curses, intangibles, clutch and/or mystiqueandaura.

PerfectMisnomer · 06-12-2007, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

You don't get Newsday in NJ, and I don't know if this guy is syndicated, so I'll share his column with you. "Soaring with Giambi on DL" - I think you will enjoy it.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseba...orts-headlines

Regarding Mussina, I think he's done with the Yanks after this year unless he has a really strong back half.

What a horrendous article. Ten games without Giambi is certainly enough evidence to prove he's a jinx. Even worse, they are actually claiming he's a jinx and using him as a scapegoat for a horrendous first two months. I can't believe people get paid to write that rubbish.

edrooney · 06-12-2007, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by PerfectMisnomer

What a horrendous article. Ten games without Giambi is certainly enough evidence to prove he's a jinx. Even worse, they are actually claiming he's a jinx and using him as a scapegoat for a horrendous first two months. I can't believe people get paid to write that rubbish.

See the link in my post preceding yours for an article that both entirely agrees with you, and is pretty funny.

PerfectMisnomer · 06-12-2007, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by edrooney

Interesting (by which I mean 'containing facts') examination of this article on FJM today.

Link

By any rational investigation, Giambi has actually been a very good player for the Yankees, save the season where he was injured most of the time. And the Yanks' 'resurgence' since Giambi has been on the DL has mainly been a result of hitters (Abreu, A-Rod in May) getting over uncharacteristic slumps, and performing as they were projected to.

Of course, all this is based on reasoning, and statistics, and proven methods for analysing baseball performance. It does not take into account curses, intangibles, clutch and/or mystiqueandaura.

Now that's a GREAT article!

Tony M · 06-12-2007, 11:11 AM

Does Wallace Matthews get paid for writing such stuff?

He should be in the employ of the British Government for his ability to warp statistics into anything he wants.

Worryingly for us in Red Sox Nation, the Yankees are 100% in games where they have the lead after the bottom of the last inning and if they keep that record up we're in trouble.

CommishJoe · 06-12-2007, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by edrooney

Interesting (by which I mean 'containing facts') examination of this article on FJM today.

Link

By any rational investigation, Giambi has actually been a very good player for the Yankees, save the season where he was injured most of the time. And the Yanks' 'resurgence' since Giambi has been on the DL has mainly been a result of hitters (Abreu, A-Rod in May) getting over uncharacteristic slumps, and performing as they were projected to.

Of course, all this is based on reasoning, and statistics, and proven methods for analysing baseball performance. It does not take into account curses, intangibles, clutch and/or mystiqueandaura.

Nice

darkhorse · 06-12-2007, 11:56 AM

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Does Wallace Matthews get paid for writing such stuff?

Apparently, there are zero qualifications necessary to become a sportswriter. The village idiot seems to be a popular choice for the position.

06-12-2007, 10:42 AM	#933
CommishJoe Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,238	I don't agree with the "bag of baseballs" idea, but I liked the deals when they went down. I have no idea how the prospects will pan out, but I was figuring on Sanchez this year from the Sheff deal before his arm fell off. Yes, having the egos off the team is probably a good thing, but the main reason why I was happy with both deals is the return. 5-6 kiddies for 2 aging disgruntled vets isn't a bad return. Also, to put things in perspective, RJ was out in April too (when the Yanks would have needed him the most). Also, would the Yanks have re-signed Pettitte if RJ was still around? __________________ Joe Success isn’t owned. It’s leased. And rent is due every day.

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1998 Yankees Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yankee Stadium, back in 1998. Posts: 8,645	Same thing goes for Sheffield. I just would not have traded him to a team that you had to figure you might have to go through to make the playoffs.

06-11-2007, 08:03 PM	#925
1998 Yankees Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yankee Stadium, back in 1998. Posts: 8,645	Sometimes it's best not to gamble that there is still a good year or two left in the tank and either trade a player while he still has value or hold off spending money on him that could be better spent on younger talent. I really don't care that Johnson has won all of four games this year or Sheffield is batting .281 or whatever. Both of them were crankasses and were dragging the team down with their attitudes. Good riddance to both, and welcome to the prospects that we got in return. Should one or two of them pan out in a couple of years, ain't nobody gonna be talking about Johnson and Sheffield here at that time, I guarantee you.

06-12-2007, 11:11 AM	#938
Tony M Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Here Posts: 6,156	Does Wallace Matthews get paid for writing such stuff? He should be in the employ of the British Government for his ability to warp statistics into anything he wants. Worryingly for us in Red Sox Nation, the Yankees are 100% in games where they have the lead after the bottom of the last inning and if they keep that record up we're in trouble.