Cotto - Judah spoiler thread - Page 2

mh2365 · 06-09-2007, 10:51 PM

Chavez Jr. was impressive again ... I'm officially on the bandwagon!

Love that he is starting to talk crap now too.

maxx · 06-09-2007, 11:03 PM

Well, I certainly have no desire to ever watch Yuri Foreman fight again. It was even worse then the rendition of the Star Spangled Banner I just suffered through, which is saying something.

Soto continues to look good. I hope he ends up getting a shot against one of the big names soon.

Junior's fight was a mismatch, but I still like watching him go about his business.

As for the upcoming Cotto/Judah bout, I think Judah's mental lapses and jaw will eventually catch up with him.

I'll also go with a mid-fight stoppage by Cotto, but I do hope Judah tests Cotto's own whiskers. I don't want Judah to win, but I do want him to crack Cotto a few good times so we can see whether Cotto actually does have a little glass up there like many of the boxing scribes keep suggesting.

Romdawg88 · 06-09-2007, 11:11 PM

I just want to say that I heart bodyshot KOs. Chavez looked really good thought his opponent never really had a chance in that fight. 3 KDs from bodyshots that was TBCBish.

maxx · 06-09-2007, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Romdawg88

3 KDs from bodyshots that was TBCBish.

Hah! You've got that right.

I know Cotto is landing low, but it certainly looks like Zab's working a bit on an Oscar performance.

pat · 06-09-2007, 11:35 PM

Romdawg88 · 06-10-2007, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by maxx

I'll also go with a mid-fight stoppage by Cotto, but I do hope Judah tests Cotto's own whiskers. I don't want Judah to win, but I do want him to crack Cotto a few good times so we can see whether Cotto actually does have a little glass up there like many of the boxing scribes keep suggesting.

Looks like you got your wish. Zab did land a some nice shots that seemed to buzz Cotto.

Damn good fight, overall I must say it was a fun night of boxing I'm happy man. As for the Cotto/Zab fight, that was a mauling Cotto just broke Zab down with that relentless pressure. I was impressed with Cotto.

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Originally Posted by maxx

Hah! You've got that right.

I know Cotto is landing low, but it certainly looks like Zab's working a bit on an Oscar performance.

That second lowblow was cringeworthy so I don't know how much of an acting job it was. All I hope is that people don't try to use the lowblows to discredit Cotto's win.

javier_83 · 06-10-2007, 12:02 AM

Soto is my friend too i meet him in a city called torreon, he is very good!! i am happy with his victory, now Barrera, Marquez or Pacquiao, please give hinm a opportunity

maxx · 06-10-2007, 12:05 AM

Good scrap even though I only gave Zab 2 rounds. Lampley was trying to hype it as a MSG legendary fight -- which it wasn't -- but it was a PPV fight that was more fun to watch than some of the recent ones.

It was interesting to see that, when Cotto really began to break Judah down (especially that 9th round smackdown), Judah broke but at least he didn't snap mentally. Maybe he's actually beginning to show some ring maturity.

maxx · 06-10-2007, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Romdawg88

That second lowblow was cringeworthy so I don't know how much of an acting job it was. All I hope is that people don't try to use the lowblows to discredit Cotto's win.

Yeah, when they showed the replay of the 2nd one it was definitely worth hitting the deck over. The first shot looked too high to really warrant a face plant but, then again, I wasn't the one taking the shot.

I'm sure we'll hear rumblings that Judah would have stopped Cotto if that first low blow hadn't landed (controversy sells rematches), but I agree with Merchant that Cotto looked as if he'd already recovered from the uppercut.

mh2365 · 06-10-2007, 12:16 AM

1) great action packed fight ... 3 good fights on that card ... body shots, body shots, body shots

2) Signature win for Cotto

3) right up until the post fight interview where he started making excuses that was as much heart from Judah as I've seen in his entire career

4) Cotto is a beast but I do worry about that chin esp. in the early rounds, but every fighter has flaws.

Jim_Kidd · 06-10-2007, 01:31 AM

I have to say, I think Zab did the very best he could. He hung in there in the end when he could have easily folded a few rounds earlier. When boxing needs new "hero's" I think Cotto may be in the right place at the right time.

Fighters like Cotto and Pacquiao are just what the sport needs to bring in the fans.

IceTea · 06-10-2007, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Zima

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How did you do the screen shot?

MJ

Jim_Kidd · 06-10-2007, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by IceTea

How did you do the screen shot?

MJ

In case you don't hear from Zima, any screen capture software will do the job.

mrchallenge · 06-11-2007, 10:25 AM

Wow, I hope I'm wrong but I think Cotto just "ruined" Judah. I don't expect Judah to ever be the same again after taking that beating.

It reminds me of Chavez-Camacho.

mh2365 · 06-11-2007, 10:47 AM

Funny some people on maxboxing still aren't giving Cotto any credit. They say he beat a shot fighter LOL.

Now as much as I love Floyd, these same people are saying Floyd would destroy him. Floyd doesn't have the power that Judah has so my question is how would Floyd keep Cotto off of him. Sure Mayweather would block and avoid a lot of punches, but Cotto IMO is one of those guys who will hit and hurt you on the arms, shoulders and anywhere else just to wear you down later in the fight.

I'm not ready to say Cotto beats Mayweather, but Saturday night definitely closed the gap.

hamed · 06-11-2007, 11:21 AM

Yeah, Cotto was impressive. Zab trained hard for that fight & knew it was his shot to get back on top & Cotto's will & power just broke Zab down.

I can see why Puerto Rico & boxing fans in general are excited about this guy.

I liked it when Lampley talked about the huge crowd to Manny & said: "They must not have gotten the word that boxing is dead".

a87star · 06-11-2007, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

Funny some people on maxboxing still aren't giving Cotto any credit. They say he beat a shot fighter LOL.

Now as much as I love Floyd, these same people are saying Floyd would destroy him. Floyd doesn't have the power that Judah has so my question is how would Floyd keep Cotto off of him. Sure Mayweather would block and avoid a lot of punches, but Cotto IMO is one of those guys who will hit and hurt you on the arms, shoulders and anywhere else just to wear you down later in the fight.

I'm not ready to say Cotto beats Mayweather, but Saturday night definitely closed the gap.

Judah was not a shot fighter going into Saturday night but after the beating Cotto gave him, you have to wonder if he'll ever recover from that. Zab showed more heart than ever before but Cotto's pressure and body punching just broke him in half.

Cotto/Mayweather would be an excellent fight. I think PBF would be able to slip most of Cotto's head shots but in his fight with Oscar, he was vulnerable to being hit on the arms and the sides. If Cotto can get to Floyd's body enough, he might be able to break him down and score a late round KO.

bear · 06-11-2007, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by maxx

Well, I certainly have no desire to ever watch Yuri Foreman fight again. It was even worse then the rendition of the Star Spangled Banner I just suffered through, which is saying something.

Soto continues to look good. I hope he ends up getting a shot against one of the big names soon.

Junior's fight was a mismatch, but I still like watching him go about his business.

As for the upcoming Cotto/Judah bout, I think Judah's mental lapses and jaw will eventually catch up with him.

I'll also go with a mid-fight stoppage by Cotto, but I do hope Judah tests Cotto's own whiskers. I don't want Judah to win, but I do want him to crack Cotto a few good times so we can see whether Cotto actually does have a little glass up there like many of the boxing scribes keep suggesting.

I was at Canastota. One my buddies that came down for the inductions, Don Cogswell, is an avid Title Bout gamer, although not active in the forums. Austin and Jofre were with us. Don's sister lives in Syracuse and we went to her house to watch the fights. Foreman put Austin to sleep. Austin figures that Yuri must be the Russian word for boring.

Let's see about Foreman. A technically sound fighter, that fights at only one speed, and has no real punch. I'm not looking forward to watching him again either.

The other three bouts were enjoyable, if you hadn't been put to sleep by that first one.

Bear

a87star · 06-11-2007, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by bear

Let's see about Foreman. A technically sound fighter, that fights at only one speed, and has no real punch. I'm not looking forward to watching him again either.

There are quite a few European fighters that are like that. Felix Sturm comes to mind but he has a better punch. Oktay Urkal and Thomas Damgaard have no punch but they can be exciting at times. Yuri Foreman is a fighter who stays in neutral for twelve rounds and does nothing to get anyone interested or excited.

06-09-2007, 11:03 PM	#22
maxx All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 716	Well, I certainly have no desire to ever watch Yuri Foreman fight again. It was even worse then the rendition of the Star Spangled Banner I just suffered through, which is saying something. Soto continues to look good. I hope he ends up getting a shot against one of the big names soon. Junior's fight was a mismatch, but I still like watching him go about his business. As for the upcoming Cotto/Judah bout, I think Judah's mental lapses and jaw will eventually catch up with him. I'll also go with a mid-fight stoppage by Cotto, but I do hope Judah tests Cotto's own whiskers. I don't want Judah to win, but I do want him to crack Cotto a few good times so we can see whether Cotto actually does have a little glass up there like many of the boxing scribes keep suggesting. Last edited by maxx; 06-09-2007 at 11:08 PM.

06-09-2007, 11:11 PM	#23
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06-11-2007, 11:21 AM	#36
hamed Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,073	Yeah, Cotto was impressive. Zab trained hard for that fight & knew it was his shot to get back on top & Cotto's will & power just broke Zab down. I can see why Puerto Rico & boxing fans in general are excited about this guy. I liked it when Lampley talked about the huge crowd to Manny & said: "They must not have gotten the word that boxing is dead". Last edited by hamed; 06-11-2007 at 11:22 AM.

06-09-2007, 10:51 PM	#21
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Chavez Jr. was impressive again ... I'm officially on the bandwagon! Love that he is starting to talk crap now too.

06-10-2007, 12:05 AM	#28
maxx All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 716	Good scrap even though I only gave Zab 2 rounds. Lampley was trying to hype it as a MSG legendary fight -- which it wasn't -- but it was a PPV fight that was more fun to watch than some of the recent ones. It was interesting to see that, when Cotto really began to break Judah down (especially that 9th round smackdown), Judah broke but at least he didn't snap mentally. Maybe he's actually beginning to show some ring maturity.

06-10-2007, 12:16 AM	#30
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	1) great action packed fight ... 3 good fights on that card ... body shots, body shots, body shots 2) Signature win for Cotto 3) right up until the post fight interview where he started making excuses that was as much heart from Judah as I've seen in his entire career 4) Cotto is a beast but I do worry about that chin esp. in the early rounds, but every fighter has flaws.

06-10-2007, 01:31 AM	#31
Jim_Kidd All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Florida, West Coast Posts: 578	I have to say, I think Zab did the very best he could. He hung in there in the end when he could have easily folded a few rounds earlier. When boxing needs new "hero's" I think Cotto may be in the right place at the right time. Fighters like Cotto and Pacquiao are just what the sport needs to bring in the fans.

06-11-2007, 10:25 AM	#34
mrchallenge Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 167	Wow, I hope I'm wrong but I think Cotto just "ruined" Judah. I don't expect Judah to ever be the same again after taking that beating. It reminds me of Chavez-Camacho.

06-11-2007, 10:47 AM	#35
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Funny some people on maxboxing still aren't giving Cotto any credit. They say he beat a shot fighter LOL. Now as much as I love Floyd, these same people are saying Floyd would destroy him. Floyd doesn't have the power that Judah has so my question is how would Floyd keep Cotto off of him. Sure Mayweather would block and avoid a lot of punches, but Cotto IMO is one of those guys who will hit and hurt you on the arms, shoulders and anywhere else just to wear you down later in the fight. I'm not ready to say Cotto beats Mayweather, but Saturday night definitely closed the gap.