Boxing's big hurrah? More like last gasp before MMA seizes day - Page 8

Romdawg88 · 06-02-2007, 05:47 PM

Lesnar went 106-5 overall in college, won a National Championship in 2000, placed second in 1999, and won a couple of Junior College championships. He only lost twice while at Minnesota. While he never competed in the Olympics guys like Sean Sherk and Josh Koscheck have proven you don't need to be an Olympic caliber wrestler to be a elite MMA wrestler. The guy does have a better then solid wrestling background.

Bronx Bomber 15 · 06-02-2007, 06:13 PM

Lesnar is a monster, must be nice to have those genetics.
Anyone hear more about Kurt Angle? I hear in 6-10 months, he going to MMA as well.

Romdawg88 · 06-02-2007, 06:33 PM

Last I heard about Angle was Dana White was talking to him again about coming to the UFC. Whether or not that actually happens depends on whether Angle is willing to give up Pro Wrestling for good since Dana isn't to keen on letting guys compete in other organizations while in the UFC. I hope he doesn't make the transition. Lesnar is one thing since he's still kind of young and in good shape but Angle is almost 40 and his body has alot of wear and tear on it I'm worried he could get hurt.

Lee · 06-02-2007, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Romdawg88

Last I heard about Angle was Dana White was talking to him again about coming to the UFC. Whether or not that actually happens depends on whether Angle is willing to give up Pro Wrestling for good since Dana isn't to keen on letting guys compete in other organizations while in the UFC. I hope he doesn't make the transition. Lesnar is one thing since he's still kind of young and in good shape but Angle is almost 40 and his body has alot of wear and tear on it I'm worried he could get hurt.

Stuff like this will actually hurt MMA more than help it IMO. UFC has a good solid group of stars, some nice prospects (Koschek, Vera, Bisping, Okami etc) and doesn't really need to pull in names from other sports genres. If he starts doing this I think it will turn people off as it could create more of a WWE circus type atmosphere.

Romdawg88 · 06-02-2007, 10:58 PM

I don't want to see any pro wrestlers making their MMA debut in the UFC but if a guy like Lesnar fights in other orgs and proves he has talent then I'll be cool with him in the UFC. I don't want to see Angle at all as he's to broken down to be a legit fighter.

Speaking of Lesnar, if someone holds a fight and no one sees it then did it actually happen? I'm watching the showtime portion of the K-1 card and that place is almost empty. Maybe it'll fill up some as the card moves along but I doubt it'll fill up that much.

Edit: We're still in the opening ceremony of the show and it's already living up to all my expectations as to how bad a trainwreck it will be. All-4-one sang the national anthem, I mean All-4-One I didn't even know those guys were still alive this has just been horrible.

Double Edit: This is a 90,000 stadium their holding the event in. Guys like Bryan Alvarez and Dave Meltzer are estimating 4,000-8,000 people are there.

Tommysixfingers · 06-03-2007, 02:13 AM

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Somewhat Solid wrestling backround? Didn't he only lose 4 matches in college?

My mistake then. I should have lefte the "somewhat" out.

Romdawg88 · 06-03-2007, 02:19 AM

Lesnar won by Tapout due to strikes at 1:09 in the first. He caught a kick, took Kim, passed his guard, took full mount, and pounded him out. It was a impressive debut but Kim is horrible so I don't think you can take anything from this fight.

As for the rest of the event, there was one excellent fight, one pretty good fight and everything else was either sloppy and short or slow and boring. It was a bad show very bad. K-1 is going to have to really step it up if they want to make any kind of impact in the US.

Tommysixfingers · 06-03-2007, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Romdawg88

Lesnar won by Tapout due to strikes at 1:09 in the first. He caught a kick, took Kim, passed his guard, took full mount, and pounded him out. It was a impressive debut but Kim is horrible so I don't think you can take anything from this fight.

As for the rest of the event, there was one excellent fight, one pretty good fight and everything else was either sloppy and short or slow and boring. It was a bad show very bad. K-1 is going to have to really step it up if they want to make any kind of impact in the US.

I wish that K1 would concentrate on the kickboxing. Even then, they have a lot to do in the U.S.

Romdawg88 · 06-03-2007, 04:40 PM

They should focus on kickboxing, they don't seem to take MMA to seriously. Hero's seems to be more of a sideshow then a major feature for them.

Erik W. · 06-03-2007, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Romdawg88

As for the rest of the event, there was one excellent fight, one pretty good fight and everything else was either sloppy and short or slow and boring. It was a bad show very bad. K-1 is going to have to really step it up if they want to make any kind of impact in the US.

During the first hour of the show, there was just slightly over 2 minutes of in-ring action. So pathetic.

There was one decent fight all night, and it was on the undercard. Sakuraba didn't look like he wanted to be there, and Lesnar didn't have a real opponent. It could've been so much better, but you could pretty much say that about anything that sucks.

Romdawg88 · 06-04-2007, 01:20 AM

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During the first hour of the show, there was just slightly over 2 minutes of in-ring action. So pathetic.

There was one decent fight all night, and it was on the undercard. Sakuraba didn't look like he wanted to be there, and Lesnar didn't have a real opponent. It could've been so much better, but you could pretty much say that about anything that sucks.

The first hour of that show was a disgrace. Both of the fights shown were shorter combined then the time it took one fighter to walk to the ring.

The Dong Sik Yoon/Melvin Manhoef was damn good I thought but the only half decent fight was Brad Pickett/Hideo Tokoro mainly for Tokoro's subs. The show would probably have been better if they hadn't had to replace half the card but thats on FEG for not handling their paperwork better.

Did you see the WEC show on Versus today. It blew Dynamite out of the water. It had a great pace, very good production, good commentary, and entertaining fights. It's sad that a smaller promotion like WEC, even with Zuffa's backing, can put on such a better show then a giant group like FEG.

Erik W. · 06-04-2007, 01:50 AM

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The Dong Sik Yoon/Melvin Manhoef was damn good I thought but the only half decent fight was Brad Pickett/Hideo Tokoro mainly for Tokoro's subs.

Yeah, Pickett/Tokoro was definitely fight of the night. Yoon/Manhoef was kind of ugly in a way, but very entertaining, and I loved the result.

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Did you see the WEC show on Versus today. It blew Dynamite out of the water. It had a great pace, very good production, good commentary, and entertaining fights. It's sad that a smaller promotion like WEC, even with Zuffa's backing, can put on such a better show then a giant group like FEG.

No, I haven't seen it yet. It doesn't appear anyone up north picked up the rights to show it. I'll go download it now and watch it tomorrow.

maxx · 06-04-2007, 04:27 AM

The WEC show wasn't bad at all. If they can maintain the quality of the cards, they might pick up a pretty decent following. Plus, having the UFC connection certainly doesn't hurt at this point.

That Tap Out reality show afterward, though, was simply atrocious. I'm a fan of TUF -- it puts The Contender series to shame -- but this Tap Out piece of crap was unwatchable (except for the fight scene and watching Greg Jackson work).

dust · 06-08-2007, 12:27 PM

I love MMA and boxing, but MMA fans since TUF debuted on TV are the most ******ed people on Earth.

06-02-2007, 05:47 PM	#141
Romdawg88 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Belle Glade, FL Posts: 4,182	Lesnar went 106-5 overall in college, won a National Championship in 2000, placed second in 1999, and won a couple of Junior College championships. He only lost twice while at Minnesota. While he never competed in the Olympics guys like Sean Sherk and Josh Koscheck have proven you don't need to be an Olympic caliber wrestler to be a elite MMA wrestler. The guy does have a better then solid wrestling background. __________________ Romy "Iceman" Alvarez First TBCB Forum Tournament Champion, 10-6 (5). IBL: 13 - 4 (7) Henry Armstrong > You.

06-02-2007, 06:13 PM	#142
Bronx Bomber 15 All Star Reserve Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: A house in the wooded mountains Posts: 939	Lesnar is a monster, must be nice to have those genetics. Anyone hear more about Kurt Angle? I hear in 6-10 months, he going to MMA as well. __________________ Fightsimsplus.com Fightsims Facebook Page Fightsims on X

06-02-2007, 06:33 PM	#143
Romdawg88 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Belle Glade, FL Posts: 4,182	Last I heard about Angle was Dana White was talking to him again about coming to the UFC. Whether or not that actually happens depends on whether Angle is willing to give up Pro Wrestling for good since Dana isn't to keen on letting guys compete in other organizations while in the UFC. I hope he doesn't make the transition. Lesnar is one thing since he's still kind of young and in good shape but Angle is almost 40 and his body has alot of wear and tear on it I'm worried he could get hurt. __________________ Romy "Iceman" Alvarez First TBCB Forum Tournament Champion, 10-6 (5). IBL: 13 - 4 (7) Henry Armstrong > You.

06-02-2007, 10:58 PM	#145
Romdawg88 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Belle Glade, FL Posts: 4,182	I don't want to see any pro wrestlers making their MMA debut in the UFC but if a guy like Lesnar fights in other orgs and proves he has talent then I'll be cool with him in the UFC. I don't want to see Angle at all as he's to broken down to be a legit fighter. Speaking of Lesnar, if someone holds a fight and no one sees it then did it actually happen? I'm watching the showtime portion of the K-1 card and that place is almost empty. Maybe it'll fill up some as the card moves along but I doubt it'll fill up that much. Edit: We're still in the opening ceremony of the show and it's already living up to all my expectations as to how bad a trainwreck it will be. All-4-one sang the national anthem, I mean All-4-One I didn't even know those guys were still alive this has just been horrible. Double Edit: This is a 90,000 stadium their holding the event in. Guys like Bryan Alvarez and Dave Meltzer are estimating 4,000-8,000 people are there. __________________ Romy "Iceman" Alvarez First TBCB Forum Tournament Champion, 10-6 (5). IBL: 13 - 4 (7) Henry Armstrong > You. Last edited by Romdawg88; 06-02-2007 at 11:29 PM.

06-03-2007, 02:19 AM	#147
Romdawg88 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Belle Glade, FL Posts: 4,182	Lesnar won by Tapout due to strikes at 1:09 in the first. He caught a kick, took Kim, passed his guard, took full mount, and pounded him out. It was a impressive debut but Kim is horrible so I don't think you can take anything from this fight. As for the rest of the event, there was one excellent fight, one pretty good fight and everything else was either sloppy and short or slow and boring. It was a bad show very bad. K-1 is going to have to really step it up if they want to make any kind of impact in the US. __________________ Romy "Iceman" Alvarez First TBCB Forum Tournament Champion, 10-6 (5). IBL: 13 - 4 (7) Henry Armstrong > You.

06-03-2007, 04:40 PM	#149
Romdawg88 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Belle Glade, FL Posts: 4,182	They should focus on kickboxing, they don't seem to take MMA to seriously. Hero's seems to be more of a sideshow then a major feature for them. __________________ Romy "Iceman" Alvarez First TBCB Forum Tournament Champion, 10-6 (5). IBL: 13 - 4 (7) Henry Armstrong > You.

06-04-2007, 04:27 AM	#153
maxx All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 716	The WEC show wasn't bad at all. If they can maintain the quality of the cards, they might pick up a pretty decent following. Plus, having the UFC connection certainly doesn't hurt at this point. That Tap Out reality show afterward, though, was simply atrocious. I'm a fan of TUF -- it puts The Contender series to shame -- but this Tap Out piece of crap was unwatchable (except for the fight scene and watching Greg Jackson work).

06-08-2007, 12:27 PM	#154
dust Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 12	I love MMA and boxing, but MMA fans since TUF debuted on TV are the most ******ed people on Earth.