Errors Galore!!!!!!!!!!!!

mking55 · 03-07-2003, 09:06 AM

Fielding errors that is. Eye-catching, don't you think.

Here is what I see as a serious problem to reasonably realistically simming. I would appreciate some feedback from the game's developers to know whether this is how it should work or a bug.

A lot of the time when a player plays a position that he is not rated for, he makes an overabundance of errors on his chances. I'm not sure if this was always the case. In my mind it seems this wasn't a problem before one of the v4 patches, but I could be mistaken and it's always been a problem. Currently, this happens in the current version of V4 and V5.

Anyhow, back to topic. I can understand if your catcher would make a lousy shortstop. Perhaps he would make errors on the majority of the chances. However, I see players who are rated at one outfield position make errors on a multitude of plays when playing another another outfield position for which they are not rated. Sometimes they make errors on over 90% of their chances. To me, this is a problem. I believe a major league baseball player should be able to perform with a certain level of competence regardless of the position.

I know you have to walk a fine line in your design to not allow for players making a habit out of playing out of position. But sometimes it happens in emergency circumstances. With the case of outfielders, they should be able to handle any outfield position. Certain positions are better able to fill in at other postions.

Could someone "in the know" please provide me with some information on this.

Thanks,
Martin

bigphesta · 03-07-2003, 02:19 PM

you're right. Playing a player out of position is detramental to the team and makes him an error machine. It's by design. Get backups who can field that position. Makes the 3-3-3 Utility player actually worth something.

mking55 · 03-07-2003, 02:34 PM

I am a huge fan of the 3-3-3 utility player. I believe in team depth. But sometimes, especially in online leagues, injuries happen that exhaust your depth and you lose a multitude of games for no other reason than your rightfielder is playing leftfield and drops everything hit to him.

I think there should be certain positions that can fill in at other positions without taking a big hit.

The question I'm asking is this how it is supposed to work, or something that needs to be fixed. The definitive answers can only come from the people who make the game.

Scott Vibert · 03-07-2003, 03:18 PM

Actually, I saw in one online league a player not rated for SS, play there all season and play quite adequately. I personally have seen some guys have the problems with errors but most of the guys I play out of position (i.e. at a different outfield spot, or in a similar infield spot) do adequately or even too good. But it can't hurt to check this out further.

These are the player I mentiond above's stats at SS, not bad for a B rated OF.

S Garza 97 97 115 267 399 58 17 .957 853.2

mking55 · 03-07-2003, 03:47 PM

Very strange.

Here is Carl Yastrzemski from our league. Yaz is rated at RF with a "C". He is not rated in CF or LF.

This is his line before he was caught.
x G A PO DP TC E PCT INN
Yaz 37 4 63 2 122 55 .549 326.0

Norm Cash is a "B" at 1b but for some reason found himself playing RF for 42 innings before he was apprehended.
x G A PO DP TC E PCT INN
Cash 5 1 0 0 17 16 .059 42.0

I'm not bragging, but even I could play better.

Scott Vibert · 03-07-2003, 04:36 PM

Maybe this is something related to historicals?

sporr · 03-07-2003, 04:38 PM

Unless it's changed, this happened in OOTP4. The one I always think of is Canseco. He was rated only in LF, but was played in RF for many games. He made 80 errors in 81 total chances. Granted he's a terrible fielder, but nobody is that bad.

mking55 · 03-07-2003, 04:52 PM

Scott,

Can you please get an answer for me if this is a bug or how it is supposed to work. I'm curious.

Thanks.

blmeanie · 03-07-2003, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sporr
Unless it's changed, this happened in OOTP4. The one I always think of is Canseco. He was rated only in LF, but was played in RF for many games. He made 80 errors in 81 total chances. Granted he's a terrible fielder, but nobody is that bad.

Actually, I do believe this is historically accurate

03-07-2003, 09:06 AM	#1
mking55 All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boading, China Posts: 1,249	Errors Galore!!!!!!!!!!!! Fielding errors that is. Eye-catching, don't you think. Here is what I see as a serious problem to reasonably realistically simming. I would appreciate some feedback from the game's developers to know whether this is how it should work or a bug. A lot of the time when a player plays a position that he is not rated for, he makes an overabundance of errors on his chances. I'm not sure if this was always the case. In my mind it seems this wasn't a problem before one of the v4 patches, but I could be mistaken and it's always been a problem. Currently, this happens in the current version of V4 and V5. Anyhow, back to topic. I can understand if your catcher would make a lousy shortstop. Perhaps he would make errors on the majority of the chances. However, I see players who are rated at one outfield position make errors on a multitude of plays when playing another another outfield position for which they are not rated. Sometimes they make errors on over 90% of their chances. To me, this is a problem. I believe a major league baseball player should be able to perform with a certain level of competence regardless of the position. I know you have to walk a fine line in your design to not allow for players making a habit out of playing out of position. But sometimes it happens in emergency circumstances. With the case of outfielders, they should be able to handle any outfield position. Certain positions are better able to fill in at other postions. Could someone "in the know" please provide me with some information on this. Thanks, Martin

03-07-2003, 02:19 PM	#2
bigphesta Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Des Moines, Iowa Posts: 1,366	you're right. Playing a player out of position is detramental to the team and makes him an error machine. It's by design. Get backups who can field that position. Makes the 3-3-3 Utility player actually worth something.

03-07-2003, 02:34 PM	#3
mking55 All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boading, China Posts: 1,249	I am a huge fan of the 3-3-3 utility player. I believe in team depth. But sometimes, especially in online leagues, injuries happen that exhaust your depth and you lose a multitude of games for no other reason than your rightfielder is playing leftfield and drops everything hit to him. I think there should be certain positions that can fill in at other positions without taking a big hit. The question I'm asking is this how it is supposed to work, or something that needs to be fixed. The definitive answers can only come from the people who make the game.

03-07-2003, 03:18 PM	#4
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,266	Actually, I saw in one online league a player not rated for SS, play there all season and play quite adequately. I personally have seen some guys have the problems with errors but most of the guys I play out of position (i.e. at a different outfield spot, or in a similar infield spot) do adequately or even too good. But it can't hurt to check this out further. These are the player I mentiond above's stats at SS, not bad for a B rated OF. S Garza 97 97 115 267 399 58 17 .957 853.2

03-07-2003, 03:47 PM	#5
mking55 All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boading, China Posts: 1,249	Very strange. Here is Carl Yastrzemski from our league. Yaz is rated at RF with a "C". He is not rated in CF or LF. This is his line before he was caught. x G A PO DP TC E PCT INN Yaz 37 4 63 2 122 55 .549 326.0 Norm Cash is a "B" at 1b but for some reason found himself playing RF for 42 innings before he was apprehended. x G A PO DP TC E PCT INN Cash 5 1 0 0 17 16 .059 42.0 I'm not bragging, but even I could play better.

03-07-2003, 04:36 PM	#6
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,266	Maybe this is something related to historicals?

03-07-2003, 04:38 PM	#7
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	Unless it's changed, this happened in OOTP4. The one I always think of is Canseco. He was rated only in LF, but was played in RF for many games. He made 80 errors in 81 total chances. Granted he's a terrible fielder, but nobody is that bad.

03-07-2003, 04:52 PM	#8
mking55 All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boading, China Posts: 1,249	Scott, Can you please get an answer for me if this is a bug or how it is supposed to work. I'm curious. Thanks.