De La Hoya vs Mayweather

[Zima]

Originally Posted by a87star

Robinson would have wiped out both PBF and DeLaHoya in less than eight rounds.

No!!! Mayweather jr. would have wiped Robinson by UD, Oscar in his prime would have wiped SRR by TKO in 11 or12 rounds .

[a87star]

Originally Posted by Zima

No!!! Mayweather jr. would have wiped Robinson by UD, Oscar in his prime would have wiped SRR by TKO in 11 or12 rounds .

You know I never really have said much to you but your knowledge of boxing and whatnot but this post just proves how little you know about the history of the sport. I can't even start to talk about how ridiculous this statement is.

[IceTea]

I would like to watch Thomas Hearns and Floyd go at it. That said, Mayweather is in the same church as Ray Leonard and Ray Robinson, just a seat or two behind them.

The guy that is always left out when we talk about junior middleweights is Mike McCallum. He was an all-time great.


MJ

[IceTea]

Did Rob Colloway win tonight?

[Zima]

Originally Posted by A87STAR

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It's my opinion. Do you respect my opinion? I respect your.

[mh2365]

I just rewatched the fight to make sure but I had it 117-111 Floyd. I could only give the 2nd, 6th and the 7th to Oscar and on the 7th round I had an * by it thinking that Oscar didn't really win the round but the judges would give it to him.

Oscar just couldn't hit Floyd. When one fighter is landing 50% of his punches and the other is landing 17% it's just not a close fight. Judges are human though and they get caught up in the moment ... Oscar throws 8 punches and misses all 8 and the crowd goes wild chanting Oscar ... Judges hear that.

I can't see there being a rematch because it would be even worse the second time around ... plus Floyd knows they would try to screw him again.

[mh2365]

Originally Posted by meade95

So bring on Sugar Shane.....I think he may just give PBF a harder fight then ODLH...

This fight made me lose some of the luster off of PBF....It was a huge fight, a mega fight...all the hype in the world......he just didn't stand out and shine....He is in his prime....Vs an older ODLH....

...

That didn't take long ... I knew some wouldn't give Floyd his due for winning this fight and would throw out "he beat an old Oscar".

I've thought all along if someone out there is going to beat Floyd it would be Mosley.

[Cap]

I'm glad I didn't fork over 50-60 bucks to watch this fight. Just heard the result on the radio. After reading all your comments, I have to laugh when someone compares big-talking safety first guys like Mayweather to greats like Sugar Ray Robinson. Hell, I didn't even put Ray Leonard in that class!

Oscar is a big name, but he hasn't exactly beaten the toughest guys lately. If Mayweather had taken a few more chances he might've really hurt ODLH. He's obviously too good for most of what passes for Marquee fighters these days. A fight with Mosley might be a challenge, but I'm not overly impressed with him either after those two losses to whatshisname. Boxing is in the doldrums because there is no truly dominant and dangerous champion around to excite Joe Public.

On a side note, I heard a young sportscaster refer to the arena in Detroit as the Joe Loo-ee Arena. Probably had no idea who Joe was.

Cap

[hamed]

Originally Posted by IceTea

I would like to watch Thomas Hearns and Floyd go at it. That said, Mayweather is in the same church as Ray Leonard and Ray Robinson, just a seat or two behind them.

The guy that is always left out when we talk about junior middleweights is Mike McCallum. He was an all-time great.


MJ

Yeah, now that man could punch to the body - The Body Snatcher.

[hamed]

Originally Posted by mh2365

That didn't take long ... I knew some wouldn't give Floyd his due for winning this fight and would throw out "he beat an old Oscar".

I've thought all along if someone out there is going to beat Floyd it would be Mosley.

LOL, when they mentioned this on ESPN, I thought of you.

I know some people have said Oscar doesn't deserve any credit for his W's over Pernell & Chavez because they were both past their prime when they fought. Last night they said when Oscar beat them, they were both 33 & now Oscar's 34.

Shane may have a shot but man, I was impressed by Floyd's def - Oscar really tried to hit him but he's so darned elusive!

[Bam Bam]

I had it 8-4 Mayweather. Oscar has some great rounds but couldn't duplicate any of them towards the end when it mattered. I thought his gameplan was perfect and about all you can ask for against Mayweather.

Oscar could have let his hands go just a little more in rounds 10-12. When he pressed hard he did score nice shots, he just didn't press enough. But that has more to do with Mayweather's defense I suppose.

Wouldn't surprise me to see a rematch. Roger Mayweather said it point blank in a postfight interview, he said they should just fight again if anyone has any question about who won.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Mayweather retire either. But I'd like to see someone beat him first.

[a87star]

Originally Posted by hamed

LOL, when they mentioned this on ESPN, I thought of you.

I know some people have said Oscar doesn't deserve any credit for his W's over Pernell & Chavez because they were both past their prime when they fought. Last night they said when Oscar beat them, they were both 33 & now Oscar's 34.

Shane may have a shot but man, I was impressed by Floyd's def - Oscar really tried to hit him but he's so darned elusive!

Floyd does deserve credit for his victory last night. He showed that speed and elusiveness can win you fights. Oscar made it very tough for him though and what impressed me is that he never gave up trying to land that one shot to change the fight. My issue is that when PBF compared himself to SRR it kind of irked me because of the difference in the competiton they faced.

[meade95]

Originally Posted by IceTea

I would like to watch Thomas Hearns and Floyd go at it. That said, Mayweather is in the same church as Ray Leonard and Ray Robinson, just a seat or two behind them.

The guy that is always left out when we talk about junior middleweights is Mike McCallum. He was an all-time great.


MJ

T. Hearns would have KO'd PBF inside of 8 rounds...at either WW or JMW...Not a question in my mind...

Hearn's jab and Right hand....PBF would have had no counter to it.....Hell SRR really didn't...He was losing on all cards when he TKO'd Tommy the first time (through exhuastion more so then anything else....14th round)....In a 12 round fight Hearns beats SRR each and every time......

ANd without question beats PBF....He'd stop him...

[meade95]

Originally Posted by hamed

LOL, when they mentioned this on ESPN, I thought of you.

I know some people have said Oscar doesn't deserve any credit for his W's over Pernell & Chavez because they were both past their prime when they fought. Last night they said when Oscar beat them, they were both 33 & now Oscar's 34.

Shane may have a shot but man, I was impressed by Floyd's def - Oscar really tried to hit him but he's so darned elusive!

Hell....I didn't think ODLH deserved the nod over an old Sweet Pea to begin with....I hand Sweet Pea up by 2pts.....at the end...

[Tommysixfingers]

As good as PBF might be I still twitch a little when someone compares him to Sugar Ray Robinson.

He beat one of the great boxers yesterday though.

[Mad Bomber]

Originally Posted by a87star

Just to clarify.....If this was Floyd's last fight, he would undoubtedly be a HOF (winning titles in 5 different weight classes is damn impressive) and no question will be the PFP king of this era and his defense will be rivaled against the greats but in all honesty, Floyd can only be as good as his competition. His fight tonight was probably his biggest ever and he fought the best he could get into the ring with him. My point is that is ledger can't be compared to SRR or other P4P greats.

Good point once again, but then again nobody compares to
Sugar Ray Robinson.
Oh by the way I had Mayweather by 117-113, as I only watched
it this morning, as I attended a wedding last night.

Greg

[mh2365]

Originally Posted by Mad Bomber

Good point once again, but then again nobody compares to
Sugar Ray Robinson.
Oh by the way I had Mayweather by 117-113, as I only watched
it this morning, as I attended a wedding last night.

Greg

floyd 7-3 with 2 rounds even .. I can see that. I had it 117-111 If I were to call two rounds even it would have been the 7th and the 11th. But that would have made my scorecard 118-112.

final punchstat #'s

Oscar 122-587 21% power shots 82-341 24%
Floyd 207-481 43% Power shots 138-241 57%

Pretty much tells the story of the fight I watched.

[Mr Big]

I had it 7-4-1 Mayweather. Was rooting for Oscar, but, unfortunately, he just couldn't get it done. Floyd was just too elusive and fast. When De La Hoya managed to throw his jab and pin Mayweather in the corner or anywhere on the ropes, he was quite effective. During those times, his size and power edges became apparent. The problem was, that, he couldn't use his physical advantages consistently and fell into the trap of fighting Floyd in the middle of the ring where SPEED KILLS! Reminded me of a lighter version of Roy Jones Jr. vs John Ruiz. Not comparing the fighters involved, just the tactics, strategies, and eventual outcomes of the respective bouts.

And, by the way, in no way does Floyd Mayweather deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Sugar Ray Robinson at this point. In my opinion, he is still just a tier below Leonard and Hearns. However, if the guy can continue to move up in weight and win world titles, I may have to change my mind.

One has to wonder just how high he could climb in weight and still be successful. Middleweight, perhaps? SMW? Probably not. With his lack of power, even at JMW, PBF would definitely have to rely on his speed and skills in the bigger weight classes. Don't see him knocking out many top fighters north of 154. Hey, even the great SRR had to stop at light-heavy. Would be interesting to see just how effective Floyd would be fighting for titles in the higher weight classes.

[Mr Big]

Just have to chime in on the Mosley thing. Floyd beats Shane easily at this point. Sugar was granted a gift decision against Oscar four years ago, and wouldn't fare any better against Mayweather IMO. Besides, why would PBF want to fight the welterweight champion when he just won the superwelterweight title? Having already conquered the WW division, it would make much more sense to move up in weight.

In all honesty, I think that a fight against middleweight champion Jermain Taylor would be interesting for Floyd. Would have to make the bigger fighter the favorite, but the way Pretty Boy is going, who knows? If Mayweather gets past him, maybe he could fight SMW king Joe Calzaghe in Wales. That may be the only way to derail the PBF Express.

[Zima]

Originally Posted by mh2365

floyd 7-3 with 2 rounds even .. I can see that. I had it 117-111 If I were to call two rounds even it would have been the 7th and the 11th. But that would have made my scorecard 118-112.

final punchstat #'s

Oscar 122-587 21% power shots 82-341 24%
Floyd 207-481 43% Power shots 138-241 57%

Pretty much tells the story of the fight I watched.

You simply loveMayweatherand consider that he has won. We are all saw this fight and are sure thatOscarhas wonbyUD.Oscarall fight worked and has won more moments.Mayweatheronly showed good, boring defense. It is necessary to submit the protest on judges.Mayweather- has surprised. The judge - has surprised.Oscar -was better. Not the best fightfor Mayweather.