The European football thread

[bababui]

Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

It would also punish fans who support their teams financialy and artificialy depress wages.
Their is really no logical reason to stockpile your team with stars since that tends to make them angry and is a waste of money since you only have XI starting spots.

The last thing Bayern needs is another striker
It really needs a top class midfielder or a young GK since I dont see Rensing as the future answer

Dola..it wouldnt artificially depress wages if it was tied to revenues and revenue sharing..a la the NFL.

[rudel.dietrich]

Originally Posted by bababui

Wouldnt it be cool if they could somehow reacquire Ballack after a disappointing year in England?

At 31 years old...no not really

Rafael Van Der Vaart would be my first choice but Hamburg would never sell him to a league rival and he has stated in the press he will only move to a club in England, Italy or Spain

[rudel.dietrich]

Originally Posted by bababui

Dola..it wouldnt artificially depress wages if it was tied to revenues and revenue sharing..a la the NFL.

I dont like it in the NFL
And that is even with NFL teams having close to the same revenue

Lets take Bayern and Energie Cottbus

Bayern would probably be paying Cottbus 2-3 times what Cottbus makes in an entire year just in revenue sharing
In fact probably 70% of every Euro Bayern makes would be going to other clubs
That is in no way fair

[bababui]

Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

I dont like it in the NFL
And that is even with NFL teams having close to the same revenue

Lets take Bayern and Energie Cottbus

Bayern would probably be paying Cottbus 2-3 times what Cottbus makes in an entire year just in revenue sharing
In fact probably 70% of every Euro Bayern makes would be going to other clubs
That is in no way fair

I see sports as league based rather than team based. Sure Bayern and the Yankees and the Lakers make vastly more money than other franchises in their sport. But I think its better for the sport to have a more level playing field. And in soccer I think the top leagues should also be required to share revenue with the lower leagues to ensure the long term viability of these lower leagues and perhaps the sport itself as we know it.

[rudel.dietrich]

Originally Posted by bababui

I see sports as league based rather than team based. Sure Bayern and the Yankees and the Lakers make vastly more money than other franchises in their sport. But I think its better for the sport to have a more level playing field. And in soccer I think the top leagues should also be required to share revenue with the lower leagues to ensure the long term viability of these lower leagues and perhaps the sport itself as we know it.

Ehh I dont agree with you

I associate being a fan of a team with money given to a team.
When I attend a Bayern or Newcastle or TSV 1860 game I dont really like paying wages and transfers for HSV or Arsenal etc

That is one of the reasons I am pretty lukewarm to the NFL and dont really follow a team.
How can you be a huge fan of the team when every dollar you spend on that team is broken up and used against that team?
It makes no sense to me

[bababui]

Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

Ehh I dont agree with you

I associate being a fan of a team with money given to a team.
When I attend a Bayern or Newcastle or TSV 1860 game I dont really like paying wages and transfers for HSV or Arsenal etc

That is one of the reasons I am pretty lukewarm to the NFL and dont really follow a team.
How can you be a huge fan of the team when every dollar you spend on that team is broken up and used against that team?
It makes no sense to me

But isnt it like a well-off individual paying taxes that go to ensure the education and health of poorer individuals thus insuring that the richer individual can continue to prosper? And what fun is it for Bayern to win every year if they have such a massive financial advantage?

[bababui]

Milan has put Man U in a sleeper hold. This one seems over with 40 minutes to go.

[Sdpm100]

The next goal will decide who wins.

[bababui]

Originally Posted by Sdpm100

The next goal will decide who wins.

It would be so nice if Man U could get one in to make this a match again. Your Liverpool prediction is looking better by the minute.

[bababui]

Mourinho is insane with his post match comments that Chelsea deserved to win.

[zoraster]

The mighty Bromley march on; just one more win and we are in the Conference South On a more negative note my kids inbuilt hangover detector was in fine working order this morning, and boy did they make me suffer, much to the amusement of my other half. Avoid wives like the plague lads; they don't mix well with the footie.

Originally Posted by bababui

For all you fubes who thought Roy Keane couldnt manage...apologies are in order.

You’re jumping off a bit prematurely there Bab. Virtually all concerns raised about Keane’s managerial prospects are as yet unanswered questions, and in terms of actual achievement thus far he is merely par for the course. The job hasn’t started yet.

The big problem for Keane is personally handling failures, and the big question about his management is can he learn to bend to manage superstars. We already know from years of his captaincy that he actively impinges upon the confidence of the more fragile members of his squad, and given his total failure to evolve over the years I’m pretty certain he won’t be able to successfully manage big egos. Then we have the total virgin territory of squad building and player assessment. Thus far he has just been running an old boys network, but now he has to put together an EPL squad.

All Keane has actually proven thus far is he has good motivational abilities, but we knew that already. Sunderland are very much a Manchester United in the Championship while they‘ve got parachute payments, and all Keane could do this season was fail. He hasn’t, but I’d suggest he has put in place the roots of failure with some of the new contracts he has burdened the club with.

Do you think this rule is fair? It seems like going into administration is the reponsible thing to do from a business stand point. Couldnt they punish on a case-by-case basis?

Totally fair. Clubs are constantly living way beyond their means chasing the dream, artificially inflating costs for everyone, and creating a boom and bust cycle in the game. Meanwhile the well run clubs who live within an affordable budget year in year out have to live as permanent also-rans behind the latest big spenders. It has been a huge bane in the non-league game for years and is slowly killing the game. The actual penalty for financial mismanagement has been long overdue, and if anything it is still overly lenient.

You say it is the responsible thing, but that only holds true after the earlier irresponsibility. The responsible clubs never get in that position in the first place, and they are the ones who are suffering on the pitch as a result. The punishment is evening out the earlier irresponsibility.

[Sdpm100]

What's the betting that Saha comes on after all his injuries and gets a goal?

[bababui]

Gilardino with the final stiletto in the heart..3-0 Milan. Man U never seemed to be able to get into this game.

[bababui]

Originally Posted by Sdpm100

What's the betting that Saha comes on after all his injuries and gets a goal?

I wish you are/were right. I had high expectations for this match.

[bababui]

Totally fair. Clubs are constantly living way beyond their means chasing the dream, artificially inflating costs for everyone, and creating a boom and bust cycle in the game. Meanwhile the well run clubs who live within an affordable budget year in year out have to live as permanent also-rans behind the latest big spenders. It has been a huge bane in the non-league game for years and is slowly killing the game. The actual penalty for financial mismanagement has been long overdue, and if anything it is still overly lenient.

You say it is the responsible thing, but that only holds true after the earlier irresponsibility. The responsible clubs never get in that position in the first place, and they are the ones who are suffering on the pitch as a result. The punishment is evening out the earlier irresponsibility.

I would have to agree with this. Why wont FIFA/the FA institute financial rules that would bring more stability to the game?

[rudel.dietrich]

Sack Ferguson!


In my FM game he retired at the end of the 2008 season
I dont ever see him retiring
I see him being kept suspended in a little glass jar on the Man Utd sidelines well into the next century

[bababui]

I love Gattuso. He gets me fired up. In this era of corporate crap he is a throwback to what the sport is all about; passion. And winning.

[zoraster]

Originally Posted by bababui

I would have to agree with this. Why wont FIFA/the FA institute financial rules that would bring more stability to the game?

To complete the circle may I draw your attention to the ten point penalty for clubs going into administration

Trouble is the authorities have no real power. There used to be a pretty good set of economic rules in the English game that helped maintain competitive balance and discouraged the worst excesses of big spenders. Sadly none of the rules would stand to any real challenge, and the death knell came when the clubs discovered they had a nuclear bomb. The clubs can just go and create their own competition, and they’ve used that threat to totally change the economic landscape over the last few decades. The game is dying a death as a result.

[bababui]

Originally Posted by zoraster

To complete the circle may I draw your attention to the ten point penalty for clubs going into administration

Trouble is the authorities have no real power. There used to be a pretty good set of economic rules in the English game that helped maintain competitive balance and discouraged the worst excesses of big spenders. Sadly none of the rules would stand to any real challenge, and the death knell came when the clubs discovered they had a nuclear bomb. The clubs can just go and create their own competition, and they’ve used that threat to totally change the economic landscape over the last few decades. The game is dying a death as a result.

I hope somehow cooler/wiser heads will prevail and come up with a manageable economic plan before things melt down. Or, like the family farm, maybe the small local football club is an idea whose time has passed?

[zoraster]

Never going to happen given the concept of the good of the game is drowned out by the good of my club. Take Falls attitude in your above conversation as case in point. Football is determined to compete with itself and strangle its own business rather than look to compete with other sports and provide a top notch product.