4th round steal

[USN Squid]

Moss has been reported to be running 4.35 40s in his training sessions this off season.

Blowing smoke? Maybe.

He's still 10 times better than what the Pats had on the field last season. Put him in with Stallworth, Washington, Caldwell, and Watson, and you've got weapons.

[Scoman]

Originally Posted by mh2365

If he returns to form then the Raiders got a top 10 player in the 4th round.

Only time will tell on that,but if it is the case,the Raiders could sure use him.
I just wish they would get rid of that worthless Lamont Jordan.

[Astros33Resurrected]

Originally Posted by mh2365

Hmm the Topic was about Michael Bush .... Bush should be ready to go by camp from the foot injury (or at least that's what the L'ville docs have been saying) .... If he returns to form then the Raiders got a top 10 player in the 4th round.

He catches the ball extremely well, can throw the ball (if they want to use it) and is a bruiser of a runner.

I wonder how the Raiders will use him. They already have Rhodes and Jordan, neither are that good, but I'm worried Bush wont get enough carries. Theres also the problem that if he does get a majority of the carries, he won't have anywhere to go. Their offensive line is not too good.

[marc]

Originally Posted by Jonzard

The Moss "disruptive" rap is waaay overrated. The Patriots will be scary good.

Not when he takes his disruption onto the field, which he has the last year or 2.

[AD31]

Originally Posted by Astros33Resurrected

I wonder how the Raiders will use him. They already have Rhodes and Jordan, neither are that good, but I'm worried Bush wont get enough carries. Theres also the problem that if he does get a majority of the carries, he won't have anywhere to go. Their offensive line is not too good.

Is there a chance Jordan gets cut? I don't know his contract situation, but he may have become expendable.

[USN Squid]

Everybody forgets what a malcontent Corey Dillon was until he played for a Super Bowl contender.

And BB won't put up with him. He's already been told if he has ONE controversial incident, they'll cut him.

Aside from all that, we all know Bill Belichick is the perfect combination of Einstein and Obi-Wan.

[bababui]

Originally Posted by USN Squid

Are you on drugs? How exactly is 3 championships in this decade + an AFC championship visit last year (where I could have lined up at WR) desperation time?

Oh, and I have two words for your Randy Moss attitude concerns:

COREY DILLON.

Desperation= Hoping that Randy Moss will lead you to a Super Bowl. He hasnt won on any level and he hurts your running game because he isnt a good blocker. He also demands to be the center of attention; Bellicheks offense doesnt feature any one receiver. How will he respond to getting 4-5 catches a game?

[AD31]

Originally Posted by USN Squid

Everybody forgets what a malcontent Corey Dillon was until he played for a Super Bowl contender.

And BB won't put up with him. He's already been told if he has ONE controversial incident, they'll cut him.

Aside from all that, we all know Bill Belichick is the perfect combination of Einstein and Obi-Wan.

Corey Dillion was not near the level of Moss, if I remember right. It seemed all Dillion's problems were that the team failed to ever improve, but his effort was always there.

[Astros33Resurrected]

Originally Posted by AD31

Is there a chance Jordan gets cut? I don't know his contract situation, but he may have become expendable.

I would think there is a chance with Bush, Rhodes and Justin Fargas all in the mix. Jordan would have the least upside for the Raiders IMO. He could be a good fit elsewhere though.

[USN Squid]

Summed up nicely:
http://cbs.sportsline.com/print/nfl/story/10157026/2

It's time to open the car wash again in New England, the one run by Bill Belichick.

Here's how it works: Any player acquired by the New England Patriots who has any problems, whether off the field or on the field, goes through the wash before showing up to play.

And you know what happens: The stink washes away.

Randy Moss is ready for his wash after being acquired from the Oakland Raiders for a fourth-round pick. His might be an industrial-strength cleaning.

But you watch and see how clean a player Moss becomes in New England. All the moaning and complaining and loafing and lack of production he's had at times in his two other stops in the NFL will stop with the Patriots.

It stopped with Corey Dillon. It stopped with others, too. Bad players suddenly make plays. Good players become even better.

The griping Moss did in Minnesota and Oakland won't play in the New England locker room. A lot of that has to do with Belichick. But it also has to do with peer pressure.

When you walk into that locker room, he sees players who have been winning, with three rings to show for it, and so they're just players who go about their jobs without creating problems.

The players don't really like Belichick, despite what you might think. They play for him, respect him, but don't believe that there is this warm, fuzzy relationship.

That's where veterans like Richard Seymour, Ty Warren, Tedy Bruschi, Mike Vrabel and Tom Brady come into play. They're all good guys and hard workers -- and that rubs off and is far more valuable than anything Belichick can say or do, other than cutting a guy.

So for all those who think Moss to the Patriots isn't a good move because he's a locker-room cancer, think again.

It's a great move.

Randy Moss for a fourth-round pick? Are you kidding me?

Trading for that kind of player is why the New England Patriots are three-time Super Bowl champions and the favorite now in 2007.

The Patriots know how to make their team better.

There is talk that Moss doesn't have the top-end speed any more, but he supposedly was timed in the 4.3 range recently -- although I have my doubts. Still, ask any corner who faces him whether they still fear him.

It was only four years ago that Moss caught 111 passes with 17 touchdowns. Then his quarterback in Minnesota got hurt, he was traded to Oakland where the quarterback play was horrific, and his production dropped along with his reputation.

But even Lane Kiffin, the new coach in Oakland, said he was perplexed when he watched tape of Moss as to why the team didn't throw him the ball more. That led to Moss griping and loafing.

Is that right? Of course it isn't. But, damn, throw him the ball

They will in New England. And if they don't, he won't show up Brady. That won't happen. Can you imagine if it did?

Moss has 102 catches the past two seasons, including 11 touchdown catches. Donte' Stallworth, the free-agent pick up people were raving about when the Patriots signed him, had 108 catches with 12 touchdown catches. So he's right there even with no quarterbacks and a bad team.

The Patriots have uncharacteristically made a lot of high-end moves this off-season. In addition to Moss and Stallworth, they paid big money for outside linebacker Adalius Thomas and traded for Wes Welker.

Not getting to the Super Bowl in two years eats at this organization. And when you think about their AFC Championship Game loss to the Colts, two things stand out from that day.

The receivers didn't catch the ball.

The back seven looked slow.

Now they've added four receivers, including speed guys in Moss and Stallworth, to upgrade that spot.

Ina addition to Thomas, they drafted safety Brandon Meriweather, a safety from Miami, in the first round Saturday. He will bring speed to that area.

Like Moss, Meriweather has character issues. He was off some team's boards because of them, according to league sources.

New England didn't care. And we know why.

Like Moss, he'll go through the car wash.

The stink always washes away.

Besides, a 4th round pick at risk? Big deal.

I LOVE this trade.

[bababui]

Originally Posted by USN Squid

Everybody forgets what a malcontent Corey Dillon was until he played for a Super Bowl contender.

And BB won't put up with him. He's already been told if he has ONE controversial incident, they'll cut him.

Aside from all that, we all know Bill Belichick is the perfect combination of Einstein and Obi-Wan.

His dismissal of Branch tends to disprove that. It was the Pats defense that was the backbone of their Super Bowl teams. Bellicheck would have been smarter to use the bulk of Moss's salary on that side of the ball.

[bababui]

Besides, a 4th round pick at risk? Big deal.

Its the % of cap room he takes up that makes this trade very risky.

[USN Squid]

Originally Posted by bababui

His dismissal of Branch tends to disprove that. It was the Pats defense that was the backbone of their Super Bowl teams. Bellicheck would have been smarter to use the bulk of Moss's salary on that side of the ball.

Disprove what?

The Pats have a number for each player on the squad. It's the amount they think the player is worth. If the player asks too much, he's gone. Period. (Asante Samuel, anyone?) It's smart business, which is why they've been right there for so long in this salary cap era. Look at how the other champs this decade have done. The Pats are consistently good for a reason.

[USN Squid]

Originally Posted by bababui

Its the % of cap room he takes up that makes this trade very risky.

So basically, you're a bitter Faiders fan who thinks he knows more than the best front office in the business.

Good luck to you.

Oh and by the way, he's restructuring. You have NO CLUE what his cap hit will be.

[AD31]

Originally Posted by Astros33Resurrected

I would think there is a chance with Bush, Rhodes and Justin Fargas all in the mix. Jordan would have the least upside for the Raiders IMO. He could be a good fit elsewhere though.

I want him in seattle. Someone who will help take the burden off Alexander, who can catch passes from the RB postion (something Holmgren likes but does not have) and acts as an insurance policy if SA goes down again.

[bababui]

Originally Posted by USN Squid

So basically, you're a bitter Faiders fan who thinks he knows more than the best front office in the business.

Good luck to you.

Am I sounding like the bitter one??

And that 'best front office in football' cost themselves a Super Bowl berth with the Branch trade and are now playing more to a much riskier player.

[Astros33Resurrected]

Originally Posted by bababui

Am I sounding like the bitter one??

And that 'best front office in football' cost themselves a Super Bowl berth with the Branch trade and are now playing more to a much riskier player.

Moss comes with great risk but the possibility of great rewards. He could go either way .If he buys into the system and plays hard, you will see the best Moss ever.

[magnet]

Originally Posted by bababui

Am I sounding like the bitter one??

And that 'best front office in football' cost themselves a Super Bowl berth with the Branch trade and are now playing more to a much riskier player.

So Deion Branch was the sole reason they got to those super bowls before? They way you're carrying on in here, it certainly seems you think that way.

[bababui]

Originally Posted by magnet

So Deion Branch was the sole reason they got to those super bowls before? They way you're carrying on in here, it certainly seems you think that way.

Not having Branch was likely the reason NE lost to Indy though. And to trade him at the beginning of the season was a boneheaded arrogant move. The weather also helped out the pats over the years..and the refs. I still believe the Vikings would be better served to play outdoors.

[magnet]

Originally Posted by bababui

Not having Branch was likely the reason NE lost to Indy though. And to trade him at the beginning of the season was a boneheaded arrogant move. The weather also helped out the pats over the years..and the refs. I still believe the Vikings would be better served to play outdoors.

Saying that Branch would have pushed NE over Indy is speculation at best. I don't see why it was an arrogant trade. Anything after that I agree with.