Too many 2 base errors.

StyxNCa · 04-25-2007, 08:25 AM

It seems to me that just about every error I see results in the batter on 2nd. I realize in today's real life game, only miscues that result in batter on 2nd base are called errors, but previous to the year 2000, there were such things as 1 base errors. Will this be fixed?

f.montoya · 04-27-2007, 10:52 PM

It'd have to be shown, with some data to back it up, that occurrences of this sort are out of line with real life expectancy. Markus needs hard proof before he's convinced something is wrong.

StyxNCa · 04-29-2007, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by f.montoya

It'd have to be shown, with some data to back it up, that occurrences of this sort are out of line with real life expectancy. Markus needs hard proof before he's convinced something is wrong.

Try playing the game then.

f.montoya · 04-29-2007, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by StyxNCa

Try playing the game then.

Tell that to Markus. Not me.

StyxNCa · 04-29-2007, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by f.montoya

Tell that to Markus. Not me.

Steer him to this thread.

Sweed · 04-29-2007, 12:43 PM

Well if I were to base this on my "feel" of the game I am not seeing the same thing as StyxNCa. My first-baseman moves to third when we face LHP. The thing is his primary position coming up was 3b, however he has trouble when playing there, ie error prone.

He's made several (approx 10) errors in limited playing time at third and I can't say that all runners are getting to second. It does "seem" they are advancing at about a rate I would expect.

But then that's the danger of doing things by how they "seem". I see nothing wrong with Markus wanting real in game stats to prove a problem exists before he changes code that affects everyone with the game.

Is it a PITA to collect this stuff? Sometimes, but if you really feel it needs fixing then it may be worth the time to keep a log of how often it is happening in oopt and comparing it to MLB numbers.

StyxNCa · 04-29-2007, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweed

Well if I were to base this on my "feel" of the game I am not seeing the same thing as StyxNCa. My first-baseman moves to third when we face LHP. The thing is his primary position coming up was 3b, however he has trouble when playing there, ie error prone.

He's made several (approx 10) errors in limited playing time at third and I can't say that all runners are getting to second. It does "seem" they are advancing at about a rate I would expect.

But then that's the danger of doing things by how they "seem". I see nothing wrong with Markus wanting real in game stats to prove a problem exists before he changes code that affects everyone with the game.

Is it a PITA to collect this stuff? Sometimes, but if you really feel it needs fixing then it may be worth the time to keep a log of how often it is happening in oopt and comparing it to MLB numbers.

Well when I say "it seems", I am not saying I am guessing. I guess I'm trying not to sound too pushy or something.

I do know every single error I am seeing results in the batter ending off on 2nd base. Maybe every error is a throwing error, I don't really know. I use brief PBP and play pretty fast so I don't spend time reading everything. I will have to pay attention, but even at that, if all errors in the infield are throwing errors, that is not good either.

Maybe I should send the log files of all the games since I am either lying or imagining things. All I need to do is learn how to send the files.

Sweed · 04-29-2007, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by StyxNCa

Maybe I should send the log files of all the games since I am either lying or imagining things. All I need to do is learn how to send the files.

So, who said you were lying? The trouble is there are thousands of users. I've read many a post where someone reported "something isn't right here" and wanted a fix. Only to be shown they were wrong when the actual stats were examined and compared to RL. If Markus had just taken their word for it he would have created a problem where one didn't exist before. How is he too know which opinion to trust and fix and which to ignore? Data to back up the claim seems like a reasonable answer. How much of an adjustment is needed if a problem is found? Again data would answer the question.

One thing this thread has done is to make me start watching this situation more closely in my game. Not because I don't trust my own feeling that it is actually working ok in my game but because my "feeling" for the situation may be wrong (more than happy to admit it if it works out that way

). If I see evidence of this I'll keep a sheet of paper on my desk and document it.

You could be the only one seeing it (why? wouldn't have a clue) or it could be none of us have even noticed (no "I'm seeing it too" replies to this post). Only way to know is to keep observing.

StyxNCa · 04-29-2007, 03:30 PM

Unfortunately, the logs do not say where the batter ended off on an error, so exactly how I am supposed to come up with evidence to support this, I don't know.

I guess I will just have to make up things in my mind as to why they continually take extra bases. As I said, I don't get the "full" pbp so I may be missing the reasons for this.

I have also seen some bizarre things such as runners going from 2nd to home on bobbled balls by a 3rd baseman or SS, and yet someone on 3rd base won't move off of 3rd on a bobbled ball to the infield? I know someone will ask about the speed of the guy on 3rd....but the player I'm talking about in this particular instance is my player who led the league in runs scored, my lead off hitter for a reason, his speed and base running smarts.

How about this charm? The AI team is down by 4 runs in the 9th, man on 3rd, 2 outs, and it goes with a squeeze bunt?

Just a couple odd things I have seen.

pstrickert · 04-29-2007, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by StyxNCa

I have also seen some bizarre things such as runners going from 2nd to home on bobbled balls by a 3rd baseman or SS.

This one is TT2540.

StyxNCa · 04-29-2007, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pstrickert

This one is TT2540.

10-4.

04-25-2007, 08:25 AM	#1
StyxNCa Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Victoria, Texas Posts: 3,136	Too many 2 base errors. It seems to me that just about every error I see results in the batter on 2nd. I realize in today's real life game, only miscues that result in batter on 2nd base are called errors, but previous to the year 2000, there were such things as 1 base errors. Will this be fixed?

04-27-2007, 10:52 PM	#2
f.montoya Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,077	It'd have to be shown, with some data to back it up, that occurrences of this sort are out of line with real life expectancy. Markus needs hard proof before he's convinced something is wrong. __________________ Fidel Montoya Asahi2 Baseball League ex-Commissioner(Historical League Since 2004) Ex-Web Host Current Mod Maker??

04-29-2007, 03:30 PM	#9
StyxNCa Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Victoria, Texas Posts: 3,136	Unfortunately, the logs do not say where the batter ended off on an error, so exactly how I am supposed to come up with evidence to support this, I don't know. I guess I will just have to make up things in my mind as to why they continually take extra bases. As I said, I don't get the "full" pbp so I may be missing the reasons for this. I have also seen some bizarre things such as runners going from 2nd to home on bobbled balls by a 3rd baseman or SS, and yet someone on 3rd base won't move off of 3rd on a bobbled ball to the infield? I know someone will ask about the speed of the guy on 3rd....but the player I'm talking about in this particular instance is my player who led the league in runs scored, my lead off hitter for a reason, his speed and base running smarts. How about this charm? The AI team is down by 4 runs in the 9th, man on 3rd, 2 outs, and it goes with a squeeze bunt? Just a couple odd things I have seen. Last edited by StyxNCa; 04-29-2007 at 03:39 PM.

04-29-2007, 12:43 PM	#6
Sweed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 7,079	Well if I were to base this on my "feel" of the game I am not seeing the same thing as StyxNCa. My first-baseman moves to third when we face LHP. The thing is his primary position coming up was 3b, however he has trouble when playing there, ie error prone. He's made several (approx 10) errors in limited playing time at third and I can't say that all runners are getting to second. It does "seem" they are advancing at about a rate I would expect. But then that's the danger of doing things by how they "seem". I see nothing wrong with Markus wanting real in game stats to prove a problem exists before he changes code that affects everyone with the game. Is it a PITA to collect this stuff? Sometimes, but if you really feel it needs fixing then it may be worth the time to keep a log of how often it is happening in oopt and comparing it to MLB numbers.