Low AVG, high HR guys

SnowMan · 03-04-2003, 11:38 PM

I still see a lot of players with 500-600 AB's with avg of .200ish and 30-40 hr's. One guy in my latest year batted .190 with 38HR's. That seems a bit odd to me. Just the fact that he had that many at bats brings up a red flag to me. About 1/3 of his hits were HR's and when he didn't get a hit he struck out (almost 200K's). I'm not really sure that he should get this much playing time.

Scott Vibert · 03-04-2003, 11:39 PM

Is this a league continued from OOTP4?

SnowMan · 03-04-2003, 11:44 PM

Nope, brand new fictional league.

AsTrOFaN · 03-04-2003, 11:51 PM

I haven't seen many of these, although I have seen some .250 BA/40 HR/150K players..

TwinMonster · 03-04-2003, 11:53 PM

The curse of old McGwire returns....

messenjah · 03-05-2003, 01:58 AM

Old McGwire. Try McGwire before he retired. Trying to have one of the lowest averages with over 30 homers. I think he was at .150. It still amazed me how people would walk him even when he was hitting that low.

OilCanBoyd · 03-05-2003, 10:17 AM

looks more like rob deer ;-)

i think in one year rob deer (det) had his first rbi single shortly before the allstarbrake. he had something about 40 rbi total at this time.

must love this guy, broke a rib while swinging.

TLBOrioles · 03-05-2003, 10:24 AM

I think this is handled fairly well in OOTP5. In OOTP4 you'd have way, way too many of these characters--all time home run kings with a .185 career average.

I guess overall, if something happens once in a blue moon that's unusual, that's great. When something weird happens too much (low avg/high hr batters, high bb/low era pitchers in OOTP4), then you have a problem.

SnowMan · 03-05-2003, 11:30 PM

There are way less than there were in OOTP4. I'm not complaining about the amount of this type of player, just the fact that they get 600 AB's. Even McGwire didn't get that toward the end. Just every hit was a HR......

Henry · 03-05-2003, 11:33 PM

I've seen far less of these players than in v4 - after all guys, there are a few of these type

Henry

Draft Dodger · 03-05-2003, 11:35 PM

I call these guys
Mutz Whitakers

Dwolfson20 · 03-05-2003, 11:36 PM

I just saw a guy hit .138 over a full season and hit 35 home runs. Nope, that's not a typo. He walked a lot too and still only came up with an OBP of around .230.

Shorty · 03-05-2003, 11:43 PM

Old Mutz is hitting .314 this year, though, DD.

TigersFan23 · 03-05-2003, 11:58 PM

Geez.... Rob Deer. That is a name I haven't heard in awhile! Oh, how I hated to see him come up to bat with runners in scoring position when he was with the Tigers, he was as close to an automatic rally killer as you could find. Eventually, they dumped him on the Red Sox and I think he ended his career with the Padres. I also believe that Sparky ended up batting him in the number 8 slot due to his inability to figure out what a "strike zone" was.

Another former Tiger, Darrel Evans, also hit for low average/high HR one year too- might have been 1986 but I'm not sure. He also walked a great deal which is something Rob Deer didn't do!

carlivar · 03-06-2003, 04:00 AM

Hey don't forget Pete Incaviglia. Definitely was that type of player.

Also Dave Kingman.

And I believe Bob Horner?

Carl

Redhead_Alaskan · 03-06-2003, 04:39 AM

I noticed why we are seeing less of these guys. Guys with average or fair hits andd brilliant homers don't develop and never get out of the minors. Jayson Werth is an example of it happening to me. he struggled and lost all his talent.

ctorg · 03-06-2003, 09:34 AM

Didn't Rob Deer set the record for strikeouts in the AL?

Draft Dodger · 03-06-2003, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shorty
Old Mutz is hitting .314 this year, though, DD.

you trying to jinx me?

Buckeye · 03-06-2003, 10:49 AM

I had a guy with 444 strikeouts. The only thing I adjusted was the injury tendencies which I set to low. That is incredible. The next closest was below 300...Not sure if it was a fluke or just that he played more since he was not injured. He had 404 the next season too....Just starting third....I have also seen a lot of players with low avgs with many Hrs. I actually prefer not to see guys hitting 60 Hrs with .340+ avg. I like the fact that there are few (hitting) HOF like all-stars so far that I see.

rwd59 · 03-06-2003, 11:11 AM

Bob Horner was not a low average hitter 270-300 till he got hurt.

03-04-2003, 11:38 PM	#1
SnowMan Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Anchorage, AK Posts: 129	Low AVG, high HR guys I still see a lot of players with 500-600 AB's with avg of .200ish and 30-40 hr's. One guy in my latest year batted .190 with 38HR's. That seems a bit odd to me. Just the fact that he had that many at bats brings up a red flag to me. About 1/3 of his hits were HR's and when he didn't get a hit he struck out (almost 200K's). I'm not really sure that he should get this much playing time.

03-05-2003, 10:17 AM	#7
OilCanBoyd Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Darmstadt, Germany Posts: 37	looks more like rob deer ;-) i think in one year rob deer (det) had his first rbi single shortly before the allstarbrake. he had something about 40 rbi total at this time. must love this guy, broke a rib while swinging. __________________ GM PittsburghPirates (German Baseball League)

03-05-2003, 11:35 PM	#11
Draft Dodger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: formerly of the OTBL Posts: 4,113	I call these guys Mutz Whitakers __________________ Draft Dodger (Anarchy: Anything goes. The Draft Dodger viewpoint.) Sophmoric[sic] Member of the OOTP Boards (It's not OOTP; it's your computer) 15 GB Webhosting for $6.95 a month IMO we are best off abandoning that sinking ship that is Off Topic to the rats infesting it and just starting a whole new Baseball Forum from scratch.

03-05-2003, 11:36 PM	#12
Dwolfson20 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Not St. Louis Posts: 2,872	I just saw a guy hit .138 over a full season and hit 35 home runs. Nope, that's not a typo. He walked a lot too and still only came up with an OBP of around .230. __________________

03-05-2003, 11:43 PM	#13
Shorty All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 992	Old Mutz is hitting .314 this year, though, DD. __________________ Here we go Redlegs here we go!

03-04-2003, 11:39 PM	#2
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,211	Is this a league continued from OOTP4?

03-04-2003, 11:44 PM	#3
SnowMan Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Anchorage, AK Posts: 129	Nope, brand new fictional league.

03-04-2003, 11:51 PM	#4
AsTrOFaN Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 334	I haven't seen many of these, although I have seen some .250 BA/40 HR/150K players..

03-04-2003, 11:53 PM	#5
TwinMonster Major Leagues Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Minnepolis Posts: 325	The curse of old McGwire returns....

03-05-2003, 01:58 AM	#6
messenjah All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 565	Old McGwire. Try McGwire before he retired. Trying to have one of the lowest averages with over 30 homers. I think he was at .150. It still amazed me how people would walk him even when he was hitting that low.

03-05-2003, 10:24 AM	#8
TLBOrioles Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 188	I think this is handled fairly well in OOTP5. In OOTP4 you'd have way, way too many of these characters--all time home run kings with a .185 career average. I guess overall, if something happens once in a blue moon that's unusual, that's great. When something weird happens too much (low avg/high hr batters, high bb/low era pitchers in OOTP4), then you have a problem.

03-05-2003, 11:30 PM	#9
SnowMan Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Anchorage, AK Posts: 129	There are way less than there were in OOTP4. I'm not complaining about the amount of this type of player, just the fact that they get 600 AB's. Even McGwire didn't get that toward the end. Just every hit was a HR......

03-05-2003, 11:33 PM	#10
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	I've seen far less of these players than in v4 - after all guys, there are a few of these type Henry

03-05-2003, 11:58 PM	#14
TigersFan23 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 156	Geez.... Rob Deer. That is a name I haven't heard in awhile! Oh, how I hated to see him come up to bat with runners in scoring position when he was with the Tigers, he was as close to an automatic rally killer as you could find. Eventually, they dumped him on the Red Sox and I think he ended his career with the Padres. I also believe that Sparky ended up batting him in the number 8 slot due to his inability to figure out what a "strike zone" was. Another former Tiger, Darrel Evans, also hit for low average/high HR one year too- might have been 1986 but I'm not sure. He also walked a great deal which is something Rob Deer didn't do!

03-06-2003, 04:00 AM	#15
carlivar Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Burbank, CA Posts: 18	Hey don't forget Pete Incaviglia. Definitely was that type of player. Also Dave Kingman. And I believe Bob Horner? Carl

03-06-2003, 04:39 AM	#16
Redhead_Alaskan Minors (Triple A) Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 224	I noticed why we are seeing less of these guys. Guys with average or fair hits andd brilliant homers don't develop and never get out of the minors. Jayson Werth is an example of it happening to me. he struggled and lost all his talent. __________________ "Never conform"-Woody Mesa

03-06-2003, 09:34 AM	#17
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03-06-2003, 10:49 AM	#19
Buckeye Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Chillicothe, OH Posts: 41	I had a guy with 444 strikeouts. The only thing I adjusted was the injury tendencies which I set to low. That is incredible. The next closest was below 300...Not sure if it was a fluke or just that he played more since he was not injured. He had 404 the next season too....Just starting third....I have also seen a lot of players with low avgs with many Hrs. I actually prefer not to see guys hitting 60 Hrs with .340+ avg. I like the fact that there are few (hitting) HOF like all-stars so far that I see.

03-06-2003, 11:11 AM	#20
rwd59 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: LA (Lower Alabama) Posts: 934	Bob Horner was not a low average hitter 270-300 till he got hurt.