player development strategies

saml00 · 03-26-2002, 07:26 PM

Do players develope better in the minors or majors, if I have someone who it sort of good enough to start in the big leauges is that the best way for him to develop or is time in the minor league helpful?

Tarkus · 03-26-2002, 07:53 PM

At a young age they will probably develop faster in the minors. The downside is if you leave them there too long you will ****** their development. I sort of look at their age and ratings. If I have a young guy who is like 4 or 5 in AVG I will bring him up. For a pitcher I usually look for the same level but for ERA. Once they hit around 25 I look for at least a 5 AVG or better and at least a 6 ERA or better. Sometimes you will find a really good young guy who has like a 7 or 8 ERA at age 22. However, in my experience some of them will really have tremendous careers while others will head straight down rapidly; the quick flash in the pan. Hope that helps.

Tarkus

saml00 · 03-27-2002, 05:28 AM

does how they play in the majors effect how they develop, like I have this guy on my team whos 20 but hit 300 the first 20 games of the season should I keep him up?

fluharty · 03-27-2002, 05:38 AM

As long as he hits, I would keep him. One thing I also do with guys that look to be utilitiy players is teach them serveral positions, especially if they are fast, as they end up with better range and seem to learn the position quicker. I like my defensive backups to hit at least .250 and play 2B/3B/SS or all 3 OF positions. My backup catcher will also often be taught 1B and/or 3B.

HolyCow98 · 03-27-2002, 08:47 AM

Funny, I was thinking about that same thing...
In my experience someguys are good enough at a younger age and some need some seasoning. Besides looking at their current rating and age and talent I look at how well my managers in the minors develop hitting/pitching and compare that to how well my hitting/pitching coach are in their respective departments. It's great because of the failures and successes and the feeling you just don't know. In my current league I had young second baseman for my braves team who was an A defensively but was relatively low offensively .Avg I believe was rated a 3 with a talent of fair. He had like 3's and in 2b and 3b and 4's in BB's an K's. My scouts were telling me he wasn't going to get much better than what he already was. I had just had two season in a row where Quilvio Veras could not stay healthy (93 and 95 games) so I needed some depth. I decided to give him a try and worse case scenario he would contribute his A rating on defense at an important infield position and who knows maybe Veras would stay healthy. His first year he didn't hit much and was used as defensive sub and to spot Veras. During this season though his "talent" in avg raised from fair to avg. I looked at my hitting coach and he is rated at "very good" so I was like cool, he must have worked with the kid. During his second year his rating in avg went up to 4 and his talent in HRs went up to good. I just started a new season and which will be his 4th in the bigs and he is now rated in avg 6vsL 5vsR and has HR BB & SO ratings of 6 vs both righties and lefties. This is only his second year as a startes so it's to early on this season but his first years as a starter he hit .280 18 HR's 70RBI's 83 Runs 18 SB's led NL 2B's in total chances and Double plays and 3rd in fielding %. Maybe it was fluke but for a low low price I have my home grown talent and it was alot of fun

RickJay · 03-27-2002, 10:08 AM

When identifying players who will or won't develop, I have found that you have to remember your scouting director is not always right, especially if you botched the negotiations and ended up with someone with less than an Excellent rating. (I'm assuming you play with coaches/scouts enabled.)

Always simulate the minors, and keep your eye on minor league stats. And don't be afraid to take a chance on a 24-year-old with a 4 rating if you have a hole and don't have many better options. Give him 40 games to prove your scount's wrong anytime you can afford it. You never know; I've had a few guys fool my scouting director and end up as productive players when he said they'd be bums. And if he turns out to be a turkey, hey, you didn't lose much by trying. The lesson, though, is that scouting is usually accurate, but actual PERFORMANCE is a better scout than whomever you hired.

GiantsRule · 04-01-2002, 05:01 AM

My general rule is that they should reach the magical age of 25 before giving them a spot on the major league roster. I really want to avoid a Rick Ankiel situation. I also recommend that you get good coaches in the minors. It will really pay off for your team's future.

HolyCow98 · 04-19-2002, 06:26 AM

My only problem with waiting until 25 would be they have no shot of reaching any of the career leaderboards totals, but on the otherhand if it is more consistently sucessful than staying competitive is what is most important.

Killebrew · 04-19-2002, 07:08 AM

It is rare but if you have a 20-22 year old in AAA with very good talent and current ratings (some Good/Brill talent combined with 'filled out' numbers in all area's) you actually risk stunting his devel if you keep him in AAA for too long. Sometimes when these guys flame out they do so in grand fashion and it's pretty depressing

. This is one of the more interesting decisions in the game - you want them to devel up to the max that AAA will allow them to devel while at the same time not "start the clock" on his years before free agency. Fortunately the game gives you quite a bit of time to make this decision.

BTW a good way to think about devel is considering the MLB roster as AAAA for young players - they will rarely peak in AAA.

03-26-2002, 07:26 PM	#1
saml00 Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 19	player development strategies Do players develope better in the minors or majors, if I have someone who it sort of good enough to start in the big leauges is that the best way for him to develop or is time in the minor league helpful?

03-26-2002, 07:53 PM	#2
Tarkus Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 93	At a young age they will probably develop faster in the minors. The downside is if you leave them there too long you will ****** their development. I sort of look at their age and ratings. If I have a young guy who is like 4 or 5 in AVG I will bring him up. For a pitcher I usually look for the same level but for ERA. Once they hit around 25 I look for at least a 5 AVG or better and at least a 6 ERA or better. Sometimes you will find a really good young guy who has like a 7 or 8 ERA at age 22. However, in my experience some of them will really have tremendous careers while others will head straight down rapidly; the quick flash in the pan. Hope that helps. Tarkus __________________ Winning may not be everything, but losing isn't anything.

03-27-2002, 08:47 AM	#5
HolyCow98 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Douglasville, GA Posts: 2,735	Funny, I was thinking about that same thing... In my experience someguys are good enough at a younger age and some need some seasoning. Besides looking at their current rating and age and talent I look at how well my managers in the minors develop hitting/pitching and compare that to how well my hitting/pitching coach are in their respective departments. It's great because of the failures and successes and the feeling you just don't know. In my current league I had young second baseman for my braves team who was an A defensively but was relatively low offensively .Avg I believe was rated a 3 with a talent of fair. He had like 3's and in 2b and 3b and 4's in BB's an K's. My scouts were telling me he wasn't going to get much better than what he already was. I had just had two season in a row where Quilvio Veras could not stay healthy (93 and 95 games) so I needed some depth. I decided to give him a try and worse case scenario he would contribute his A rating on defense at an important infield position and who knows maybe Veras would stay healthy. His first year he didn't hit much and was used as defensive sub and to spot Veras. During this season though his "talent" in avg raised from fair to avg. I looked at my hitting coach and he is rated at "very good" so I was like cool, he must have worked with the kid. During his second year his rating in avg went up to 4 and his talent in HRs went up to good. I just started a new season and which will be his 4th in the bigs and he is now rated in avg 6vsL 5vsR and has HR BB & SO ratings of 6 vs both righties and lefties. This is only his second year as a startes so it's to early on this season but his first years as a starter he hit .280 18 HR's 70RBI's 83 Runs 18 SB's led NL 2B's in total chances and Double plays and 3rd in fielding %. Maybe it was fluke but for a low low price I have my home grown talent and it was alot of fun __________________ NPBL Enjoying its 60th season Georgia GM

04-19-2002, 06:26 AM	#8
HolyCow98 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Douglasville, GA Posts: 2,735	My only problem with waiting until 25 would be they have no shot of reaching any of the career leaderboards totals, but on the otherhand if it is more consistently sucessful than staying competitive is what is most important. __________________ NPBL Enjoying its 60th season Georgia GM

04-19-2002, 07:08 AM	#9
Killebrew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,326	It is rare but if you have a 20-22 year old in AAA with very good talent and current ratings (some Good/Brill talent combined with 'filled out' numbers in all area's) you actually risk stunting his devel if you keep him in AAA for too long. Sometimes when these guys flame out they do so in grand fashion and it's pretty depressing. This is one of the more interesting decisions in the game - you want them to devel up to the max that AAA will allow them to devel while at the same time not "start the clock" on his years before free agency. Fortunately the game gives you quite a bit of time to make this decision. BTW a good way to think about devel is considering the MLB roster as AAAA for young players - they will rarely peak in AAA. __________________ FOBL Capital City Metropolitans CDL Minnesota Twins

03-27-2002, 05:28 AM	#3
saml00 Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 19	does how they play in the majors effect how they develop, like I have this guy on my team whos 20 but hit 300 the first 20 games of the season should I keep him up?

03-27-2002, 05:38 AM	#4
fluharty All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Morgantown, WV Posts: 1,023	As long as he hits, I would keep him. One thing I also do with guys that look to be utilitiy players is teach them serveral positions, especially if they are fast, as they end up with better range and seem to learn the position quicker. I like my defensive backups to hit at least .250 and play 2B/3B/SS or all 3 OF positions. My backup catcher will also often be taught 1B and/or 3B.

03-27-2002, 10:08 AM	#6
RickJay Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 23	When identifying players who will or won't develop, I have found that you have to remember your scouting director is not always right, especially if you botched the negotiations and ended up with someone with less than an Excellent rating. (I'm assuming you play with coaches/scouts enabled.) Always simulate the minors, and keep your eye on minor league stats. And don't be afraid to take a chance on a 24-year-old with a 4 rating if you have a hole and don't have many better options. Give him 40 games to prove your scount's wrong anytime you can afford it. You never know; I've had a few guys fool my scouting director and end up as productive players when he said they'd be bums. And if he turns out to be a turkey, hey, you didn't lose much by trying. The lesson, though, is that scouting is usually accurate, but actual PERFORMANCE is a better scout than whomever you hired.

04-01-2002, 05:01 AM	#7
GiantsRule Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Fargo,ND Posts: 85	My general rule is that they should reach the magical age of 25 before giving them a spot on the major league roster. I really want to avoid a Rick Ankiel situation. I also recommend that you get good coaches in the minors. It will really pay off for your team's future.