Do you think the yankees are evil?

Killebrew · 04-07-2002, 11:25 PM

BasicGuy · 04-07-2002, 11:36 PM

killebrew you have one twisted sense of humor.....

Glen · 04-08-2002, 03:02 AM

Evil? No.

Using the pathetically setup financial rules of the MLB to their advantage? Yes.

Glen

blmeanie · 04-08-2002, 03:35 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Killebrew:
Do you think the yankees are evil?<hr /></blockquote>Individually...no...collectively...absolute ly

Funny thing about that team in the 70's - I liked Munson, Nettles, Guidry, Hunter, hell even Reggie but hated the Yankees as a team...

Malleus Dei · 04-08-2002, 03:43 AM

It's Steinbrenner.

jjmac69 · 04-08-2002, 04:06 AM

No and its not Steinbrenner if you look at it that way you need to add Turner and others like the former Marlins owner. Its the system as a whole the owners, and players. It amazes me people complain that a team spends to much to be competitive but in the same breath complain that other teams do not spend enough. (and don't give the argument they cant compete Oakland disproved that). IMHO the whole system is messed and ALL teams large and small need to step up and fix it. Large teams need to realize without the small ones they don't have anyone to play and the small need to quit pocketing the money from rev sharing and try to improve their teams. The players better step up to and realize if the league is not financially viable they don't get rich. However #1 on my list GET RID OF BUD he is the devil

. Get Bob Costas as Commish. Shamless plug read his book Fair Ball. Anyway my 2 cents.

joshuaaaaaa · 04-08-2002, 04:37 AM

I don't think the Yankees are inherently evil. I do think there is a possibility that Steinbrenner has made a deal with Satan. That would explain all the success

And I'm not sure if dealing with the Devil makes you evil or just misguided. And the last thing I want on this board is a religous discussion.

KWhit · 04-08-2002, 06:17 AM

Green

Kezzek · 04-08-2002, 06:25 AM

They are Evil™.

FastLane · 04-08-2002, 07:22 AM

MY take...

The Yankees aren't necessarily evil....just sick and twisted enough to bank off the freakin 'mystique of the pinstripes'. Ya know, its the Superstar of the year that goes into free agency and falls in love with playing for the Yankees and all the millions and millions of dolars that Steinbrenner showers them with. Last year it was Mussina...who, if you listened to most reports, was too much a small town guy to ever play for a big city team like New York. But when the 'mystique' was raised..cough, cough,...and the millions, Mussina defected to N.Y. This year, Giambi, who had grown up in the shadow of his mentor McGwire, gotten close twice with a young and improving A's team, sold his soul to the devil and had to play for the Yankees when all the millions of reasons came calling. Tino Martinez is washed up? Nick Johnson, who would've become the next Hal Morris or Kevin Maas to wander thru the N.Y. system now has to contend with living in the shadow of Giambi. Elsewhere he would've just been a starter deemed to be ready. I could degenerate into a whole rant about the Yankees overspending on free agents, overhyping their marginal prospects to fleece teams with, fielding teams rife with hired guns, but I expect Im gonna get flamed enough as it is...so let me done my asbestos suit and get outta here...

Draft Dodger · 04-08-2002, 07:52 AM

I just like tp say that they're evil to get a rise out of Yankee fans.

Draft Dodger · 04-08-2002, 07:55 AM

and how's this for scary: that was (unintentionally) my 666th post...

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blazemore · 04-08-2002, 08:56 AM

Oh yeah sold there souls to the devil no doubt.

Blaze

Cooleyvol · 04-08-2002, 09:16 AM

I don't call it evil when you play by the rules that are laid before you.

hellfrozeover · 04-08-2002, 12:57 PM

I actually like the Yankees to an extent. Oh, and my favorite color is clear. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

joshuaaaaaa · 04-08-2002, 01:09 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Cooleyvol:
I don't call it evil when you play by the rules that are laid before you.<hr /></blockquote>I do call it evil when you know a salary cap would be a good thing for the game as a whole and you don't care because you like spending $115 million on your payroll.

Highlander · 04-08-2002, 01:34 PM

OK...I am a Yankee fan, and have been since I first started watching baseball during the beginning of the Reggie era. I suppose I should say something to defend them!! I can't see how there can be much complaint with how the Yankees run their team. They generate a huge amount of money and they use it to be successful....isn't that what you are supposed to do? In any other business, that is the goal, so why not here?? Are the financial rules for the game messed up? Definitely, but what do we suggest the Yankees do....stop trying to field the best team they can? Then everyone would be trashing them for not spending the money they have.

Someone mentioned the Yankees having marginal prospects in an earlier post, and I guess I always have a problem with how the Yanks are characterized as just being a bunch of high priced free agents put together to win. No, things have changed a lot this year, but let's look at the recent Yankee championship teams. Their lineup includes: C-Jorge Posada-a product of the Yankee system, 1B-Tino Martinez-traded for a number of years ago, and certainly nowhere near the best 1B at that time or now, 2B-Alfonso Soriano-a product of the Yankee system, 3B-Scott Brosius-another trade but again nowhere near the best in the game....he hit about .201 before they got him!!, SS-Derek Jeter-a product of the Yankee system, RF-Paul O'Neill-traded for in the early 90's....again, nowhere near the best OF of that time, CF-Bernie Williams-a product of the Yankee system, LF-Chuck Knoblauch-traded for Eric Milton and Christian Guzman....not marginal prospects in my book. They also played Shane Spencer(a Yankee product), Luis Sojo(Ooooo, BIG star!!), and Clay Bellinger(a Yankee product). Pitching is a little different, but Pettitte, Mendoza, Rivera, Hitchcock, and Choate are all Yankee products. That leaves players like Justice, Mussina, Clemens, Cone, and a few others as the big free agent signings/trades. None of these players is ever in the league leaders for HR, RBI, etc....but they know how to win. Now, compare this to any number of other teams, and I think the Yankees come out pretty good. There are many teams (most a lot less successful than the Yankees) who have signed bigger, more expensive free agents-Texas, Boston, Atlanta, Chicago, Los Angeles, and Baltimore just to name a few, and I think they have 1 World Series ring among them over the last 10 years+. Most of the Yankee players have come from their system, or from trades where they got middle level players like O'Neill, Martinez,Stanton, etc. who were able to come together as a team. Then, the Yankees did reward those players with some big contracts, but they way they played together, who wouldn't!?!

I know this was a bit of a rant, but I think the image the Yankees have and they reality of how they are is quite different. They did live up to the stereotype this year with Giambi, White, Ventura, etc.....but other than Giambi, did they really get any players that anyone would consider superstars?? I don't think so. Will this new version of the "Evil Yankees" keep on winning?? Only time will tell, but I wouldn't be surprised!

CubsSox · 04-08-2002, 01:46 PM

I hate the Yankees.

Delgadodawg · 04-08-2002, 02:06 PM

Ditto

Cooleyvol · 04-08-2002, 02:18 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Originally posted by joshuaaaaaa:
I do call it evil when you know a salary cap would be a good thing for the game as a whole and you don't care because you like spending $115 million on your payroll.<hr /></blockquote>joshuaaaaaa,

No offense, but that makes NO sense at all! I suppose if you owned the Yankees, or any other team, for that matter, you wouldnt spend all the money at your disposal in order to win just because you wanted the league to have parity and a salary cap? Thats bulls#it!! You'd spend every dime you had to win a WS and you know it.

[ 04-08-2002, 08:21 PM: Message edited by: Cooleyvol ]

04-08-2002, 03:02 AM	#3
Glen Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 153	Evil? No. Using the pathetically setup financial rules of the MLB to their advantage? Yes. Glen __________________ Colorado Rockies - DBLC

04-08-2002, 03:35 AM	#4
blmeanie All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,044	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Killebrew: <strong>Do you think the yankees are evil?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Individually...no...collectively...absolute ly Funny thing about that team in the 70's - I liked Munson, Nettles, Guidry, Hunter, hell even Reggie but hated the Yankees as a team... __________________ blmeanie email me at blmeanie Above link works for some email client programs but not all, email me at blmeanie33@earthlink.net

04-08-2002, 04:06 AM	#6
jjmac69 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 150	No and its not Steinbrenner if you look at it that way you need to add Turner and others like the former Marlins owner. Its the system as a whole the owners, and players. It amazes me people complain that a team spends to much to be competitive but in the same breath complain that other teams do not spend enough. (and don't give the argument they cant compete Oakland disproved that). IMHO the whole system is messed and ALL teams large and small need to step up and fix it. Large teams need to realize without the small ones they don't have anyone to play and the small need to quit pocketing the money from rev sharing and try to improve their teams. The players better step up to and realize if the league is not financially viable they don't get rich. However #1 on my list GET RID OF BUD he is the devil. Get Bob Costas as Commish. Shamless plug read his book Fair Ball. Anyway my 2 cents. __________________ <a href="/http%7C//www.sportplanet.com/sbb/iba/">CDIL</a>

04-08-2002, 04:37 AM	#7
joshuaaaaaa All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 633	I don't think the Yankees are inherently evil. I do think there is a possibility that Steinbrenner has made a deal with Satan. That would explain all the success And I'm not sure if dealing with the Devil makes you evil or just misguided. And the last thing I want on this board is a religous discussion. __________________ Baltimore Monarchs-GUBA Baltimore Orioles-ORB2 "One of the greatest discoveries a man makes, one of his great surprises, is to find he can do what he was afraid he couldn't do." ~Henry Ford ~

04-08-2002, 06:17 AM	#8
KWhit Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 413	Green __________________

04-07-2002, 11:25 PM	#1
Killebrew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,326	Do you think the yankees are evil? Do you think the yankees are evil? __________________ FOBL Capital City Metropolitans CDL Minnesota Twins

04-07-2002, 11:36 PM	#2
BasicGuy Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ND Posts: 478	killebrew you have one twisted sense of humor.....

04-08-2002, 06:25 AM	#9
Kezzek All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Keyboard - frantically typing in subtle insults to raise my self-esteem Posts: 973	They are Evil™. __________________ - Kez, P.E.

04-08-2002, 07:22 AM	#10
FastLane Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 461	MY take... The Yankees aren't necessarily evil....just sick and twisted enough to bank off the freakin 'mystique of the pinstripes'. Ya know, its the Superstar of the year that goes into free agency and falls in love with playing for the Yankees and all the millions and millions of dolars that Steinbrenner showers them with. Last year it was Mussina...who, if you listened to most reports, was too much a small town guy to ever play for a big city team like New York. But when the 'mystique' was raised..cough, cough,...and the millions, Mussina defected to N.Y. This year, Giambi, who had grown up in the shadow of his mentor McGwire, gotten close twice with a young and improving A's team, sold his soul to the devil and had to play for the Yankees when all the millions of reasons came calling. Tino Martinez is washed up? Nick Johnson, who would've become the next Hal Morris or Kevin Maas to wander thru the N.Y. system now has to contend with living in the shadow of Giambi. Elsewhere he would've just been a starter deemed to be ready. I could degenerate into a whole rant about the Yankees overspending on free agents, overhyping their marginal prospects to fleece teams with, fielding teams rife with hired guns, but I expect Im gonna get flamed enough as it is...so let me done my asbestos suit and get outta here... __________________ You know it's summertime at Candlestick when the fog rolls in, the wind kicks up, and you see the center fielder slicing open a caribou to survive the ninth inning. ~Bob Sarlette Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax. ~Mike Royko

04-08-2002, 07:52 AM	#11
Draft Dodger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: formerly of the OTBL Posts: 4,113	I just like tp say that they're evil to get a rise out of Yankee fans. __________________ Draft Dodger (Anarchy: Anything goes. The Draft Dodger viewpoint.) Sophmoric[sic] Member of the OOTP Boards (It's not OOTP; it's your computer) 15 GB Webhosting for $6.95 a month IMO we are best off abandoning that sinking ship that is Off Topic to the rats infesting it and just starting a whole new Baseball Forum from scratch.

04-08-2002, 07:55 AM	#12
Draft Dodger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: formerly of the OTBL Posts: 4,113	and how's this for scary: that was (unintentionally) my 666th post... "Posts: 666 \| From: Keene, NH \| Registered: Dec 2001 \| IP: Logged " __________________ Draft Dodger (Anarchy: Anything goes. The Draft Dodger viewpoint.) Sophmoric[sic] Member of the OOTP Boards (It's not OOTP; it's your computer) 15 GB Webhosting for $6.95 a month IMO we are best off abandoning that sinking ship that is Off Topic to the rats infesting it and just starting a whole new Baseball Forum from scratch.

04-08-2002, 08:56 AM	#13
blazemore Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 14	Oh yeah sold there souls to the devil no doubt. Blaze

04-08-2002, 09:16 AM	#14
Cooleyvol Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Union City, TN Posts: 6,383	I don't call it evil when you play by the rules that are laid before you.

04-08-2002, 12:57 PM	#15
hellfrozeover All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,130	I actually like the Yankees to an extent. Oh, and my favorite color is clear. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> __________________ FBA Chicago Syndicate Former Owner: WBL Minnesota Twins 2004 - 2007 AL Central Division Champs OOL Chicago Whales 2006, 2009 UL East Champs; 2006, 2009 United League Champs IBA Lehigh Valley Diamonds 2006 Governor's Cup Champions VSLB New York Yankees 2001, 2002 AL East Division Champs ILBL Commissioner/Chicago Cubs 2002 NL Central Division Champs; 2002 National League Champs ASBL New York Yankees 2006 AL East Division Champs

04-08-2002, 01:09 PM	#16
joshuaaaaaa All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 633	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Cooleyvol: <strong>I don't call it evil when you play by the rules that are laid before you.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I do call it evil when you know a salary cap would be a good thing for the game as a whole and you don't care because you like spending $115 million on your payroll. __________________ Baltimore Monarchs-GUBA Baltimore Orioles-ORB2 "One of the greatest discoveries a man makes, one of his great surprises, is to find he can do what he was afraid he couldn't do." ~Henry Ford ~

04-08-2002, 01:34 PM	#17
Highlander All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 942	OK...I am a Yankee fan, and have been since I first started watching baseball during the beginning of the Reggie era. I suppose I should say something to defend them!! I can't see how there can be much complaint with how the Yankees run their team. They generate a huge amount of money and they use it to be successful....isn't that what you are supposed to do? In any other business, that is the goal, so why not here?? Are the financial rules for the game messed up? Definitely, but what do we suggest the Yankees do....stop trying to field the best team they can? Then everyone would be trashing them for not spending the money they have. Someone mentioned the Yankees having marginal prospects in an earlier post, and I guess I always have a problem with how the Yanks are characterized as just being a bunch of high priced free agents put together to win. No, things have changed a lot this year, but let's look at the recent Yankee championship teams. Their lineup includes: C-Jorge Posada-a product of the Yankee system, 1B-Tino Martinez-traded for a number of years ago, and certainly nowhere near the best 1B at that time or now, 2B-Alfonso Soriano-a product of the Yankee system, 3B-Scott Brosius-another trade but again nowhere near the best in the game....he hit about .201 before they got him!!, SS-Derek Jeter-a product of the Yankee system, RF-Paul O'Neill-traded for in the early 90's....again, nowhere near the best OF of that time, CF-Bernie Williams-a product of the Yankee system, LF-Chuck Knoblauch-traded for Eric Milton and Christian Guzman....not marginal prospects in my book. They also played Shane Spencer(a Yankee product), Luis Sojo(Ooooo, BIG star!!), and Clay Bellinger(a Yankee product). Pitching is a little different, but Pettitte, Mendoza, Rivera, Hitchcock, and Choate are all Yankee products. That leaves players like Justice, Mussina, Clemens, Cone, and a few others as the big free agent signings/trades. None of these players is ever in the league leaders for HR, RBI, etc....but they know how to win. Now, compare this to any number of other teams, and I think the Yankees come out pretty good. There are many teams (most a lot less successful than the Yankees) who have signed bigger, more expensive free agents-Texas, Boston, Atlanta, Chicago, Los Angeles, and Baltimore just to name a few, and I think they have 1 World Series ring among them over the last 10 years+. Most of the Yankee players have come from their system, or from trades where they got middle level players like O'Neill, Martinez,Stanton, etc. who were able to come together as a team. Then, the Yankees did reward those players with some big contracts, but they way they played together, who wouldn't!?! I know this was a bit of a rant, but I think the image the Yankees have and they reality of how they are is quite different. They did live up to the stereotype this year with Giambi, White, Ventura, etc.....but other than Giambi, did they really get any players that anyone would consider superstars?? I don't think so. Will this new version of the "Evil Yankees" keep on winning?? Only time will tell, but I wouldn't be surprised! __________________ "The baseball mania has run its course. It has no future as a professional endeavor." — Cincinnati Gazette editorial, 1879

04-08-2002, 01:46 PM	#18
CubsSox Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 206	I hate the Yankees. __________________ It's me... Chae!

04-08-2002, 02:06 PM	#19
Delgadodawg All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Vancouver Posts: 800	Ditto

04-08-2002, 02:18 PM	#20
Cooleyvol Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Union City, TN Posts: 6,383	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Originally posted by joshuaaaaaa: I do call it evil when you know a salary cap would be a good thing for the game as a whole and you don't care because you like spending $115 million on your payroll.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">joshuaaaaaa, No offense, but that makes NO sense at all! I suppose if you owned the Yankees, or any other team, for that matter, you wouldnt spend all the money at your disposal in order to win just because you wanted the league to have parity and a salary cap? Thats bulls#it!! You'd spend every dime you had to win a WS and you know it. <small>[ 04-08-2002, 08:21 PM: Message edited by: Cooleyvol ]</small>