*** 5.01 Patch News *** - Page 4

gpm22 · 03-04-2003, 06:17 PM

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Originally posted by joshuaaaaaa
And why can you get to the game log from the box score, but not the other way around?

Also, when a box score opens and I want to look at a player, if I click Close, the box score closes, too, and I have to re-open it (somewhat time consuming). Am I missing something? Can there be some sort of "Back" function?

Finally, I've got the User Manual for the game, which mostly explains the mechanics. It references a "Reference" section, which I haven't seen. Where do I go to find out the difference between blue stars and yellow stars (and green clovers...no, wait...that's Lucky Charms), how the arbitration rules work and the like?

Check under financials in the manual. Also, you can set the browser to use Internet Explorer instead of the in-game browser. It will allow you to go back and forward easily.

Also, the blue stars are for prospects or players with very little experience. Yellow stars are veterans or players with a full year or 2 of experience.

joshuaaaaaa · 03-04-2003, 06:47 PM

I actually know what the stars represent, my point is that there should be some way other than the message board to find that out.

Does the manual tell about openingin IE instead of the game? I noticed when I right-clicked and then hit "Open in new window" I got an IE window instead of an OOTP window, which surprised me (not in a bad way). Again, assuming I hadn't found at least that much out by accident, why should I have to come here for the information.

Its a great game, it just needs more documentation. I'll be happy to RTFM when there's a decent FM to R.

Oh, and the only reason I knew where the manual was located in the first place was because someone mentioned it on another MB. I don't see any mention of the URL within the game. For whomever said "Wow, I wish Microsoft ran this way", at least they have a help file when you hit F1 in their programs.

gpm22 · 03-04-2003, 07:09 PM

It is on the OOTP5 web site. You have to go there to get the game.

joshuaaaaaa · 03-04-2003, 07:24 PM

I'll concede that I just hit the "buy it now" and bypassed the rest of the front page, so scratch any complaint on that front.

Raven · 03-04-2003, 07:32 PM

Why are the players current season stats on the bottom row and last seasons stats on the top row now?

I'm used to seeing it the other way around, and the old way seems like the natural way to do it anyway. Can you change this back?

Ktulu · 03-04-2003, 09:48 PM

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Oh, and the only reason I knew where the manual was located in the first place was because someone mentioned it on another MB. I don't see any mention of the URL within the game. For whomever said "Wow, I wish Microsoft ran this way", at least they have a help file when you hit F1 in their programs.

From the readme...

Welcome to Out of the Park Baseball 5!

Should you encounter any problems, please check http://www.ootp5.com/support.html

If you have still trouble running the game, please contact support@400softwarestudios.com.
If you have problems with the eLicense system (like getting licenses, unlicensing etc.),
please contact support@elicense.com!

The game manual can be found here:
http://400studios1.inetu.net/files/ootp/ootp5manual.zip

Enjoy the Game!

Markus Heinsohn
Developer OOTP
CEO .400 Software Studios
www.400softwarestudios.com

joshuaaaaaa · 03-04-2003, 10:04 PM

People read readme files? Seriously, I've already conceded I was wrong about access to the manual. That doesn't change the fact that the manual is good at giving the basics of game operation, but is woefully lacking in explaining the nuts and bolts.

I'm not knocking the game, because I love it. I'd just rather not have to find out so much by trial, error and asking in a forum like this.

Ktulu · 03-04-2003, 10:17 PM

Thats why they call them readme files

. In fact thats the place you should look for most games in case there was stuff added after the manual was sent off for printing.

I agree that their could be a lot more detail in the manual but almost every game is like that. On the other hand an 8 year old could figure out 95% of whats in the manual.

joshuaaaaaa · 03-04-2003, 10:35 PM

Damn...I only figured out 87% of it...what does that say about me?

It just seems to me important things were left out of the manual. Arbitration is a big new feature, and there's no guidance to how it works.

The yellow and blue stars are semi-obvious, and a newbie might think a 5 blue star means the same as a five yellow star.

The manual talks about a Reference section, and I didn't see one. Maybe I missed something, maybe its name was changed at the last minute and they didn't update the file. Whatever the reason, it led to confusion.

My request would be to update the manual and make it more robust as the program is updated...or when the initial updates slow down, have someone prepare a fully detailed manual.

gpm22 · 03-04-2003, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by joshuaaaaaa
It just seems to me important things were left out of the manual. Arbitration is a big new feature, and there's no guidance to how it works.

This is under financials in the manual I think. I looked for it also and found it there.

Players are up for arbitration once you hit proceed. If you wish to not arbitrate a player you can release him at the end of the season without any penalty. If not, the player is arbitrated by the OOTP5 arbitrator.

MrWorkrate · 03-04-2003, 10:47 PM

I'm a tech writer, if one is needed for the OOTP5 manual rewrite.

I can give references and send a resume to .400, if needed.

Skimming through the manual, I thought that the manual was ok, but it could be better. Maybe I'll write my own anyway and post it somewhere on someone's site.

Would anyone be up for that?

MrLiquid · 03-04-2003, 11:43 PM

The manual was a bit on the thin side....

I miss having the data base to go find info the easy way

Le Grande Orange · 03-05-2003, 12:18 AM

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Originally posted by Ktulu
Thats why they call them readme files . In fact thats the place you should look for most games in case there was stuff added after the manual was sent off for printing.

Except in this case, the manual is not in a physically printed form, it is solely electronic in nature.

Which means that it could in fact be continuously updated, right up until the last moment, since there is no long lead time needed as there is for a printed manual.

The manual is okay, but I too would like to see far more detail included in it. I just personally prefer to have all the nitty gritty spelled out, rather than have to figure things out as I play.

Others, of course, prefer the reverse method...

Kelric · 03-05-2003, 12:58 AM

It's Wednesday.

DaleReeck · 03-05-2003, 10:44 AM

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Originally posted by Kelric
It's Wednesday.

Down boy!

I'm sure that if it is released today, it will be later in the day

rwmorey · 03-05-2003, 11:32 AM

Well its not in the manual because its an Internet Explorer "trick".. There should be a back button on the screen, or better yet, reports that have links should generate child windows.

Rich

03-04-2003, 06:47 PM	#62
joshuaaaaaa All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 633	I actually know what the stars represent, my point is that there should be some way other than the message board to find that out. Does the manual tell about openingin IE instead of the game? I noticed when I right-clicked and then hit "Open in new window" I got an IE window instead of an OOTP window, which surprised me (not in a bad way). Again, assuming I hadn't found at least that much out by accident, why should I have to come here for the information. Its a great game, it just needs more documentation. I'll be happy to RTFM when there's a decent FM to R. Oh, and the only reason I knew where the manual was located in the first place was because someone mentioned it on another MB. I don't see any mention of the URL within the game. For whomever said "Wow, I wish Microsoft ran this way", at least they have a help file when you hit F1 in their programs. __________________ Baltimore Monarchs-GUBA Baltimore Orioles-ORB2 "One of the greatest discoveries a man makes, one of his great surprises, is to find he can do what he was afraid he couldn't do." ~Henry Ford ~ Last edited by joshuaaaaaa; 03-04-2003 at 06:50 PM.

03-04-2003, 07:24 PM	#64
joshuaaaaaa All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 633	I'll concede that I just hit the "buy it now" and bypassed the rest of the front page, so scratch any complaint on that front. __________________ Baltimore Monarchs-GUBA Baltimore Orioles-ORB2 "One of the greatest discoveries a man makes, one of his great surprises, is to find he can do what he was afraid he couldn't do." ~Henry Ford ~

03-04-2003, 10:04 PM	#67
joshuaaaaaa All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 633	People read readme files? Seriously, I've already conceded I was wrong about access to the manual. That doesn't change the fact that the manual is good at giving the basics of game operation, but is woefully lacking in explaining the nuts and bolts. I'm not knocking the game, because I love it. I'd just rather not have to find out so much by trial, error and asking in a forum like this. __________________ Baltimore Monarchs-GUBA Baltimore Orioles-ORB2 "One of the greatest discoveries a man makes, one of his great surprises, is to find he can do what he was afraid he couldn't do." ~Henry Ford ~

03-04-2003, 10:17 PM	#68
Ktulu Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: BC Posts: 4,710	Thats why they call them readme files . In fact thats the place you should look for most games in case there was stuff added after the manual was sent off for printing. I agree that their could be a lot more detail in the manual but almost every game is like that. On the other hand an 8 year old could figure out 95% of whats in the manual. __________________ "The ice is getting even more thinner, my friend!"

03-04-2003, 10:35 PM	#69
joshuaaaaaa All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 633	Damn...I only figured out 87% of it...what does that say about me? It just seems to me important things were left out of the manual. Arbitration is a big new feature, and there's no guidance to how it works. The yellow and blue stars are semi-obvious, and a newbie might think a 5 blue star means the same as a five yellow star. The manual talks about a Reference section, and I didn't see one. Maybe I missed something, maybe its name was changed at the last minute and they didn't update the file. Whatever the reason, it led to confusion. My request would be to update the manual and make it more robust as the program is updated...or when the initial updates slow down, have someone prepare a fully detailed manual. __________________ Baltimore Monarchs-GUBA Baltimore Orioles-ORB2 "One of the greatest discoveries a man makes, one of his great surprises, is to find he can do what he was afraid he couldn't do." ~Henry Ford ~

03-04-2003, 07:09 PM	#63
gpm22 All Star Reserve Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 513	It is on the OOTP5 web site. You have to go there to get the game.

03-04-2003, 07:32 PM	#65
Raven Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 94	Why are the players current season stats on the bottom row and last seasons stats on the top row now? I'm used to seeing it the other way around, and the old way seems like the natural way to do it anyway. Can you change this back?

03-04-2003, 10:47 PM	#71
MrWorkrate All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,262	I'm a tech writer, if one is needed for the OOTP5 manual rewrite. I can give references and send a resume to .400, if needed. Skimming through the manual, I thought that the manual was ok, but it could be better. Maybe I'll write my own anyway and post it somewhere on someone's site. Would anyone be up for that? __________________ I used to come here a lot. Now, not so much.

03-04-2003, 11:43 PM	#72
MrLiquid Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 26	The manual was a bit on the thin side.... I miss having the data base to go find info the easy way

03-05-2003, 12:58 AM	#74
Kelric Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greater Boston Area Posts: 3,992	It's Wednesday.

03-05-2003, 11:32 AM	#76
rwmorey Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 177	Well its not in the manual because its an Internet Explorer "trick".. There should be a back button on the screen, or better yet, reports that have links should generate child windows. Rich