Dare I Even Bring This Up... - Page 2

Dagrims · 03-27-2007, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by stellar

I can't speak for everyone unfortunately, but I appreciate yours and AP's work on these rosters more than I can begin to express. Nobody should be blaming you for anything, and I'm glad that you aren't letting the vultures affect your personal life. You don't owe any of the posters a damn thing, and you take your time on the rosters.

I think it's fine that you can't speak for everyone. There were very few "vultures" in that thread, although there was a heated debate over the use of the word "promise" and what it entitled someone to (an explanation, the rosters, AP's first-born, etc.). Nearly all of the people who were expressing frustration either apologized or mentioned, at times repeatedly, that they were very appreciative that someone was taking the time to put this roster set together. The focus from both sides, unfortunately, seemed to be interpreting the other side's posts in a negative light, and it just got out of hand. There were one or two posters on both sides who seemed to enjoy arguing their point vehemently, which served only to stir the pot more.

Erich, I appreciate your explanation - it was probably more in-depth than necessary but hopefully it will make the posters who were highly frustrated think about things more before posting, and be calmer. Regardless of the quoted poster's comment, I do believe that it is common courtesy to offer a post of explanation, which you have done (and in plenty of time, I might add - it was frustrating to see posters jumping to conclusions simply because there was no response for a day).

I'm looking forward to playing with the roster set at some point. I think it's great that you've volunteered to be the one to provide it. I hope that your daughter is healthy and your business succeeds, and I also hope that from time to time you pop on to post an update as to how things are progressing with the roster set.

Thanks!

Go Tribe · 03-28-2007, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Erich Ingram

The rosters will be out, I actually just finished a 15 hour day so I haven't been able to do anything for them today. I know that AP had to travel for his business today and ran into a problem with internet connection.

That is the reason for the silence. The rosters will occur and I apologize for all the delays in the rosters. They are my fault and no one elses. I had expected to finish a test file for the beta team at the end of February but due to my job I ran into some time constraints for that time frame. Then I had it set up to have them ready to go with release of the game, but ran into an issue with the health of my 1 year old daughter and spent the better part of a week and a half in and out of hospitals and doctors offices trying to find out what was going on and how to fix the problems she was having.

So there for there were some parts that had not been updated on the file and I gave it to AP to try and clean those up but didn't really give him enough time. So if you want someone to blame for this you can blame me.

I am the roster maker and I am the one who did not finish on time.

So I am categorically telling you that there will be a set released but I presently don't have the most up to date version as I have been working long hours trying to finish up the 1st quarter on a strong note with my business(sorry but my clients and family take precedence over this stuff).

signed,

Cubby last year....

stellar · 03-28-2007, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DougWyatt

The previous thread was closed because those that run this board obviously felt the topic was beaten to death, off topic, and getting out of hand.

The above snide comments are unwelcome and a pitiful attempt to resurface the discussion. I, for one, will not oblige except to say you are out of line to keep this going. Let it die.

My intention was not to resurrect the previous thread. It was simply meant as a playful jab. I sincerely apologize if you took my playful jab as a haymaker

terptime13 · 03-28-2007, 12:43 AM

Very testy around here these days.

stellar · 03-28-2007, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by terptime13

Very testy around here these days.

I disagree. I think everyone is just chomping at the bit for some badass rosters. It flared up this morning, but it's been fine since. It's an isolated issue.

Mike D · 03-28-2007, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Go Tribe

signed,

Cubby last year....

Your point being what? Real world is and always will be more important that a text game. Erich got busy with his job, you know, that pays for his lifestlyle and his family. Erich had to take care of his daughter and not worry about this roster set. If you think you're owed anything by anyone who was doing this as a favor to the community, then I would hate to see where your priorities lie. I hope one year there isn't a roster set released by anyone so the few of you who bitch and whine when they aren't done can truly see what you have been taking for granted.

Erich, take your time. Most of us can wait until need be.

DougWyatt · 03-28-2007, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike D

Your point being what? Real world is and always will be more important that a text game. Erich got busy with his job, you know, that pays for his lifestlyle and his family. Erich had to take care of his daughter and not worry about this roster set. If you think you're owed anything by anyone who was doing this as a favor to the community , then I would hate to see where your priorities lie. I hope one year there isn't a roster set released by anyone so the few of you who bitch and whine when they aren't done can truly see what you have been taking for granted.

Erich, take your time. Most of us can wait until need be.

Oh my gooooooooosh ........

I'm quite certain this horse has been scolded, punched, kicked, beaten with a stick, had a stick of dynamite shoved in his hole, blown up, any remaining piecies put in blender, dumped down the sink drain, turned the disposal on ... and is quite dead.

rdklein · 03-28-2007, 06:02 AM

The next time we need rosters, I think we should consider taking advantage of the large labor force in Southeast Asia. They work 20 hours a day... and for peanuts. We could have little OOTP Roster sweatshops all over China.

Someone wants a personalized roster set? Bam! Sent to them the very next day.

USN Squid · 03-28-2007, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Go Tribe

signed,

Cubby last year....

Are you kidding me? You've either lost touch with reality or you're a kid who does not yet understand what's actually important in life.

Bunch of spoiled brats around here, I swear.

GoldenGlove · 03-28-2007, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by USN Squid

Are you kidding me? You've either lost touch with reality or you're a kid who does not yet understand what's actually important in life.

Bunch of spoiled brats around here, I swear.

I agree. I'm embarrassed that he's an Indian fan as well.

silvam14 · 03-28-2007, 04:33 PM

This should have been a poll

Teyeler · 03-28-2007, 04:36 PM

it never ceases to amaze me that people think they deserve things for free when they demand them.

Take your time on the roster's guys. I don't care if they aren't released until June. I can wait.

Thanks for doing all the hard work.

silvam14 · 03-28-2007, 04:41 PM

I have to admit, that I am not a real-life roster OOTPer, but I can appreciate the time it would take to create these, especially with real life getting in the way.

However, I have been lurking in this thread because it shows in great detail the decline in western civilization by means of the age of entitlement.

I realize people are upset, but the rosters may come out faster if some of you just kept it to yourself and kicked your dog or cat instead.

APujols5 · 03-28-2007, 04:45 PM

Here's the situation

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=143852

Teyeler · 03-28-2007, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by silvam14

...kept it to yourself and kicked your dog or cat instead.

Oh don't do that! Just punch a wall. Rather have the whiners hurt than an innocent dog or cat.

CONN CHRIS · 03-29-2007, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by rdklein

The next time we need rosters, I think we should consider taking advantage of the large labor force in Southeast Asia. They work 20 hours a day... and for peanuts. We could have little OOTP Roster sweatshops all over China.

Someone wants a personalized roster set? Bam! Sent to them the very next day.

I wonder if Ross Perot ever envisioned the outsourcing of leisure activity as being included in that "giant sucking sound". lol

Haven't seen you in the basement for a dog's age rdklein.

sfeldkamp · 03-29-2007, 09:55 AM

Here's the problem: We are depending on volunteers for what some of us would consider an integral part of the game. I am very grateful for Erich and APujols5 work on the roster set. They are awesome. The should never have to be in this situation though. This is a problem created by SI's policy, not by them.

Note to Markus / Marc: For 2008 can we please have an official SI roster set? I'm not asking for an MLB license (mostly because of the roster restrictions, not the extra cost which I would be willing to pay for a full roster set on opening day). But couldn't you pay someone under the table to get a roster set done with the release. And if there were legal problems with an official sanctioned roster set, couldn't you still pay someone to have an un-official set done with the release?

jackflash · 03-29-2007, 10:12 AM

He could run into a legal situation in some way I assume. Best way is just to have a beta team put a roster set together (can't be SI because of the legalities) and just have it ready for release of the game. Even if the roster creators charged 9.99 for their set, I would be more than willing to pay that.

pseudofool · 03-29-2007, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by sfeldkamp

Here's the problem: We are depending on volunteers for what some of us would consider an integral part of the game. I am very grateful for Erich and APujols5 work on the roster set. They are awesome. The should never have to be in this situation though. This is a problem created by SI's policy, not by them.

Note to Markus / Marc: For 2008 can we please have an official SI roster set? I'm not asking for an MLB license (mostly because of the roster restrictions, not the extra cost which I would be willing to pay for a full roster set on opening day). But couldn't you pay someone under the table to get a roster set done with the release. And if there were legal problems with an official sanctioned roster set, couldn't you still pay someone to have an un-official set done with the release?

What SI (OOTP) could do is release the game with a sound fictional "name" roster set that correspond directly to MLBers and prospects. It would be just a matter of converting the names over to their real counterparts. Frankly, I'm not sure why this isn't already happening.

jackflash · 03-29-2007, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by pseudofool

What SI (OOTP) could do is release the game with a sound fictional "name" roster set that correspond directly to MLBers and prospects. It would be just a matter of converting the names over to their real counterparts. Frankly, I'm not sure why this isn't already happening.

That is one heck of an idea. You see video games do that for players not in the MLBPA

03-28-2007, 04:33 PM	#31
silvam14 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Dedham, MA Posts: 10,207	This should have been a poll __________________ Senior "Nancy Boy" of the OOTP Boards _______________________________________________

03-28-2007, 04:36 PM	#32
Teyeler Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: North Olmsted Ohio Posts: 32	it never ceases to amaze me that people think they deserve things for free when they demand them. Take your time on the roster's guys. I don't care if they aren't released until June. I can wait. Thanks for doing all the hard work. __________________ MAN LAW: Upon learning a fellow man is a member of the Armed Forces, you are obligated to buy him a beer!

03-28-2007, 04:41 PM	#33
silvam14 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Dedham, MA Posts: 10,207	I have to admit, that I am not a real-life roster OOTPer, but I can appreciate the time it would take to create these, especially with real life getting in the way. However, I have been lurking in this thread because it shows in great detail the decline in western civilization by means of the age of entitlement. I realize people are upset, but the rosters may come out faster if some of you just kept it to yourself and kicked your dog or cat instead. __________________ Senior "Nancy Boy" of the OOTP Boards _______________________________________________

03-29-2007, 10:12 AM	#38
jackflash Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 281	He could run into a legal situation in some way I assume. Best way is just to have a beta team put a roster set together (can't be SI because of the legalities) and just have it ready for release of the game. Even if the roster creators charged 9.99 for their set, I would be more than willing to pay that. __________________ "You can observe alot by watching" - Yogi Berra

03-28-2007, 12:43 AM	#24
terptime13 Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 12	Very testy around here these days.

03-28-2007, 06:02 AM	#28
rdklein All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The other side. Posts: 773	The next time we need rosters, I think we should consider taking advantage of the large labor force in Southeast Asia. They work 20 hours a day... and for peanuts. We could have little OOTP Roster sweatshops all over China. Someone wants a personalized roster set? Bam! Sent to them the very next day.

03-28-2007, 04:45 PM	#34
APujols5 Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: CP Indiana Posts: 1,667 Infractions: 1/3 (3)	Here's the situation http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=143852

03-29-2007, 09:55 AM	#37
sfeldkamp Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 184	Here's the problem: We are depending on volunteers for what some of us would consider an integral part of the game. I am very grateful for Erich and APujols5 work on the roster set. They are awesome. The should never have to be in this situation though. This is a problem created by SI's policy, not by them. Note to Markus / Marc: For 2008 can we please have an official SI roster set? I'm not asking for an MLB license (mostly because of the roster restrictions, not the extra cost which I would be willing to pay for a full roster set on opening day). But couldn't you pay someone under the table to get a roster set done with the release. And if there were legal problems with an official sanctioned roster set, couldn't you still pay someone to have an un-official set done with the release?