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[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by SAL

JC,
I'll get a poll posted sometime Sunday on your beginner/pre-prime proposal.

No disrepect to the person that suggested this idea however IMO it doesnt resolve any issue with fighters moving to post and End simply because it becomes a wash and we might as well not change anything. I only suggested the rule for my reasons stated To let each individual fighter to have the chance to maximize his career and not to hurt any particular group of owners(if I honestly thought this was a huge advantage to anyone I wouldnt propose it). If we decide to make the same adjustments for beginning and pre prime players we are stuck with the same situation, owners wont keep older fighters because there is absolutely no incentive to do so.

I propose the new owners come up with an idea that will even this discussion out if needed. I think in the long run we will all agree but in the short run I can understand the frustration and I dont want it to seem like the veteran owners are doing this to favor their own situation.

The beginning and pre prime wont work because it would accomplish nothing besides making more work for our commish because the older fighters would again lose their value.

[mh2365]

There is no advantage to any of the owners for this rule. I will vote against the change to beginners and pre-prime fighters since there is already an incentive to keep those fighters.

It's a ridiculous argument, good suggestion jbergey

[CONN CHRIS]

Originally Posted by mh2365

There is no advantage to any of the owners for this rule. I will vote against the change to beginners and pre-prime fighters since there is already an incentive to keep those fighters.

It's a ridiculous argument, good suggestion jbergey

To be fair, calling it a ridiculous argument is no better than JC calling this a bogus windfall. It's not an argument that I agree with, but let's not let this devolve into name calling guys.

Please try not to take this stuff personal (both sides). We all have ideas, some fly some do not. Several things that I wanted have bit the dust when put to a vote, that's just how it goes.

[mh2365]

Okay I'll stay out of it

[JCWeb]

... that would work to even out the disadvantage suffered by new teams (of course this may be too late this year and for the future, since it looks like 24 teams may be the max the league can handle), but since jbergey asked, they would be either or a combination of the two:

1 - a 105 point cap from day one (instead of the artificial 95 pt one which everyone is able to find a way around anyway)

and/or

2 - allow participation in the free agent market to some degree in year one (maybe not from the first week, but certainly sooner than the first week or year two)

anything else and I think year one is gonna be a write-off given even with a 105 pt team you don't have many guys with experience without trading away a bunch of future draft picks which is probably not the way to go. I certainly see no incentive for me to make any moves until the next year's draft given that I really can't see much to improve the team except to keep the guys I have and hopefully they gain some experience...

[SAL]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

No disrepect to the person that suggested this idea however IMO it doesnt resolve any issue with fighters moving to post and End simply because it becomes a wash and we might as well not change anything. I only suggested the rule for my reasons stated To let each individual fighter to have the chance to maximize his career and not to hurt any particular group of owners(if I honestly thought this was a huge advantage to anyone I wouldnt propose it). If we decide to make the same adjustments for beginning and pre prime players we are stuck with the same situation, owners wont keep older fighters because there is absolutely no incentive to do so.

I propose the new owners come up with an idea that will even this discussion out if needed. I think in the long run we will all agree but in the short run I can understand the frustration and I dont want it to seem like the veteran owners are doing this to favor their own situation.

The beginning and pre prime wont work because it would accomplish nothing besides making more work for our commish because the older fighters would again lose their value.

I couldn't agree more Jeremy. But always in the past, I've stayed out of these discussions and when I see a discussion taking place and witness some of our owners not seeing eye to eye, I simply post a poll and let the league's owners vote on the issue at hand to settle it. I will still go ahead and post a poll to vote on beginner/pre-prime fighter cap reduction by tomorrow. As always.......majority will rule on this matter.

[SAL]

Once again.............sorry for the delay in action today. I'm off to work on it right now. I had the chance to buy a ton of hay dirt cheap this morning and I just finished putting it in the barn.
Normally square bales sell for $1.00 a bale. This year they are going for $3.00 to $5.00 a square. I just paid 75 cents a bale and now have a barn full.

[SAL]

March 17, 2007

Conseco Fieldhouse, Indianapolis, IN

Cawkney Crusaders @ Hoosier Playboys

Bout Results:
(Cawkney Crusaders listed first)

FLY- Fritz Chervet L UD 12 Johnny Buff

FLY- Koji Kobayashi W UD 12 Pone Kingpetch

BW- Israel Contreras L UD 12 Luis Alberto Perez

BW- Jeff Chandler W TKO 10 Jhonny Gonzalez

FW- Leo Rodak L SD 12 Ike Chestnut

FW- Howard Winstone W TechUD 11 Jaime Garza

LW- Al Davis W UD 12 Cornelius Boza-Edwards

LW- Tony Pep L UD 12 Jorge Paez

WW- Tony DeMarco W KO 4 Jose Baret

WW- Hedgemon Lewis L UD 12 Jimmy Gardner

MW- Marcel Thil W SD 12 Jimmy Flood

MW- Juan Roldan W UD 12 Mustafa Hamsho

LHW- Lotte Mwale L KO 9 Victor Galindez

LHW- Georges Carpentier W KO 8 Paul Smallman

HW- Bruce Woodcock W TKO 7 Lamon Brewster

HW- John L Sullivan L TKO 3 Tommy Burns

===================================

Halftime Score:
Cawkney Crusaders 9-7-0 (4) = 22
Hoosier Playboys 7-9-0 (2) = 16
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FLY- Koji Kobayashi L SD 12 Johnny Buff

FLY- Fritz Chervet W SD 12 Pone Kingpetch

BW- Israel Contreras L UD 12 Jhonny Gonzalez

BW- Jeff Chandler Draw 12 Luis Alberto Perez

FW- Leo Rodak L UD 12 Jaime Garza

FW- Howard Winstone W UD 12 Ike Chestnut

LW- Al Davis L TKO 7 Jorge Paez

LW- Tony Pep L KO 1 Cornelius Boza-Edwards

WW- Hedgemon Lewis W TKO 12 Jose Baret

WW- Tony DeMarco L UD 12 Jimmy Gardner

MW- Juan Roldan L TKO 8 Jimmy Flood

MW- Marcel Thil L KO 12 Mustafa Hamsho

LHW- Lotte Mwale W KO 9 Paul Smallman

LHW- Georges Carpentier W TKO 11 Victor Galindez

HW- John L Sullivan L TKO 4 Lamon Brewster

HW- Bruce Woodcock W KO 9 Tommy Burns

===================================
Final Score:
Cawkney Crusaders 15-16-1 (8) = 39
Hoosier Playboys 16-15-1 (7) = 41
===================================

[SAL]

March 17, 2007

Madison Square Garden, New York, NY

Oakland Assassins @ Undisputed Champions

Bout Results:
(Oakland Assassins listed first)

FLY- Freddie Castillo W UD 12 Cuban Black Bill

FLY- Efren Torres W TKO 4 Yukito Tamakuma

BW- Gaby Canizales L KO 5 Jesus Pimentel

BW- Chartchai Sasakul L SD 12 Eddie Cook

FW- Carmelo Negron L TKO 9 Frankie Crawford (Frankie Crawford advance to PRIME)

FW- Shig Fukuyama L TKO 1 Sugar Ramos

LW- Julio Cesar Chavez W UD 12 Mando Ramos

LW- Louis Molina L TKO 8 Billy Petrolle

WW- Billy Graham W UD 12 Oba Carr

WW- Carlos Quintana W TKO 8 Joey Limas

MW- (CH)Carlos Monzon W TKO 12 Carmen Basilio
Middleweight Championship Bout

MW- George Benton W UD 12 Harry Scott

LHW- Jeff Harding W DQ 9 Bob Murphy

LHW- Vonzell Johnson L KO 8 Darius Michalczewski

HW- (CH)Cleveland Williams W KO 4 George Chuvalo
Heavyweight Championship Bout

HW- Peter Maher W UD 12 Marvis Frazier

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Halftime Score:
Oakland Assassins 10-6-0 (4) = 24
Undisputed Champions 6-10-0 (5)(DQ-1) = 16
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FLY- Freddie Castillo W TKO 10 Yukito Tamakuma

FLY- Efren Torres W SD 12 Cuban Black Bill

BW- Gaby Canizales L KO 6 Eddie Cook

BW- Chartchai Sasakul L KO 9 Jesus Pimentel

FW- Shig Fukuyama L UD 12 Frankie Crawford

FW- Carmelo Negron L UD 12 Sugar Ramos

LW- Julio Cesar Chavez W TKO 4 Billy Petrolle

LW- Louis Molina L TKO 8 Mando Ramos (Mando Ramos advance to PRIME)

WW- Carlos Quintana W MD 12 Oba Carr

WW- Billy Graham W UD 12 Joey Limas

MW- (CH)Carlos Monzon W UD 15 Harry Scott
Middleweight Championship Bout

MW- George Benton L KO 11 Carmen Basilio

LHW- Vonzell Johnson L TKO 11 Bob Murphy

LHW- Jeff Harding L UD 12 Darius Michalczewski

HW- (CH)Cleveland Williams W TKO 4 Marvis Frazier
Heavyweight Championship Bout

HW- Peter Maher L TKO 7 George Chuvalo

===============================
Final Score:
Oakland Assassins 17-15-0 (7) = 41
Undisputed Champions 15-17-0 (11)(DQ-1) = 40
===============================

[kenyan_cheena]

Damn, that was close. Can't complain, though. Monzon and Williams retained their titles and Chavez and Graham both went 2-0. Looks like it's gonna be a competitive season in the Midwest.

[CONN CHRIS]

I sure am thankful for a shot at a wildcard this season. I can't see Hebron making up 23 points against Icetea even if I beat him twice.

[Romdawg88]

Originally Posted by kenyan_cheena

Damn, that was close. Can't complain, though. Monzon and Williams retained their titles and Chavez and Graham both went 2-0. Looks like it's gonna be a competitive season in the Midwest.

Congrats on the win man, it does look like one heck of a battle is shaping up in the Midwest for the division crown.

[SAL]

Originally Posted by JCWeb

I can think of two things... that would work to even out the disadvantage suffered by new teams (of course this may be too late this year and for the future, since it looks like 24 teams may be the max the league can handle), but since jbergey asked, they would be either or a combination of the two:

It appears there will be at least one expansion team joining next season to replace one of our banned board members.

Originally Posted by JCWeb

1 - a 105 point cap from day one (instead of the artificial 95 pt one which everyone is able to find a way around anyway)

and/or

2 - allow participation in the free agent market to some degree in year one (maybe not from the first week, but certainly sooner than the first week or year two)

anything else and I think year one is gonna be a write-off given even with a 105 pt team you don't have many guys with experience without trading away a bunch of future draft picks which is probably not the way to go. I certainly see no incentive for me to make any moves until the next year's draft given that I really can't see much to improve the team except to keep the guys I have and hopefully they gain some experience...

First thing....the expansion rules are not mine. They were developed by a league wide vote when I didn't even have a team in the league.

The artificial 95 pt cap as you call it is what everybody in the league started with and was tied to until they completed one season. No FA moves at all. With expansion, the league wanted to keep the expansion teams chances for success to a minimum and that is the reason for no free agent activity in their first year. I do not feel an expansion team should start off in the league day one on a level playing field with the veteran teams. An expansion team can take a chance and trade their draft picks away to try and improve their teams chances. That is completly up to each individual.

I would be in favor though of expansion teams participating in the free agent market only if their cap remains at 95 (or change the starting cap to 100) for the first season and raise their cap to 105 after one season in the league.

[SAL]

Originally Posted by kenyan_cheena

Damn, that was close. Can't complain, though. Monzon and Williams retained their titles and Chavez and Graham both went 2-0. Looks like it's gonna be a competitive season in the Midwest.

I really thought Chuvalo would take the title in his first ever title fight.
Congrats to your champions k_c

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

I sure am thankful for a shot at a wildcard this season. I can't see Hebron making up 23 points against Icetea even if I beat him twice.

There is hope...............you gained 8 points on Ice this week. Do that every week and the Haymakers will be in 1st place in just 3 weeks.

[Romdawg88]

Originally Posted by SAL

It appears there will be at least one expansion team joining next season to replace one of our banned board members.

When did GForce get banned and how sad was it that the moment I read that someone was banned I thought it was GForce. So do you have anyone that can replace him or are we going to have to go recruiting again.

[SAL]

Originally Posted by Romdawg88

When did GForce get banned and how sad was it that the moment I read that someone was banned I thought it was GForce. So do you have anyone that can replace him or are we going to have to go recruiting again.

Yep!

[Romdawg88]

Originally Posted by SAL

Yep!

Really, cool.

[SAL]

Not all votes are in yet but we already have a majority in the Post-prime/End cap points proposal and it will be accepted.

So with that, I have posted another poll by request. The poll is posted in the Inside the Ropes thread.

You will be voting yes or no. Yes to accept and No to reject the proposal below:

Proposal to reduce the cap points on team rosters for any fighter that is Beginning or pre-prime.

A fighter that starts at Beginning will have his (OR)rating count as 50% toward a teams cap (rounded up).
Example:
A (10) rated fighter x .50 = 5.0 rounded up, would count as 5 actual cap points toward the team cap instead of 10.

Once a fighter reaches pre-prime, his cap cost is 75% toward a teams cap (rounded up).
Example:
A (10) rated x .75 = 7.5 rounded up would count as 8 actual cap points toward the team cap instead of 10.

[kenyan_cheena]

Originally Posted by SAL

I really thought Chuvalo would take the title in his first ever title fight.
Congrats to your champions k_c

Thanks, Sal. I can't believe how well Cleveland is going and I really can't believe that he KNOCKED OUT chuvalo.

Originally Posted by Romdawg88

When did GForce get banned and how sad was it that the moment I read that someone was banned I thought it was GForce. So do you have anyone that can replace him or are we going to have to go recruiting again.

When did he get banned? Damn, this is a real downer.

[Romdawg88]

Originally Posted by kenyan_cheena

Thanks, Sal. I can't believe how well Cleveland is going and I really can't believe that he KNOCKED OUT chuvalo.



When did he get banned? Damn, this is a real downer.

Cleveland has been a beast for you, goes to show you how much of an improvement going to Prime is.

I don't know when he got banned as I just found out about it when SAL mentioned that someone had been banned. Maybe Chris would be willing to shed some light on what happened if he knows.