Screenshots from a sampling of 500 jersey templates

[Kyros]

The uniforms look fantastic!!!


My only problem with all this is that in the game it appears that national teams like China, Latin countires, ect will have non-chinese and/or non-latin (or what ever other countires we may use in our "World Cup") looking players on their teams. How will we be able to get the Facegen feature to add the necessary/proper faces with the correct teams? That worries me a bit because it would take a lot of work to add the proper looking player to every team in the league. Any ideas?

[Cork55]

Originally Posted by Kyros

The uniforms look fantastic!!!


My only problem with all this is that in the game it appears that national teams like China, Latin countires, ect will have non-chinese and/or non-latin (or what ever other countires we may use in our "World Cup") looking players on their teams. How will we be able to get the Facegen feature to add the necessary/proper faces with the correct teams? That worries me a bit because it would take a lot of work to add the proper looking player to every team in the league. Any ideas?

I would create a custom nations file.

-Cork55

[Kyros]

Originally Posted by Cork55

I would create a custom nations file.

-Cork55

How would you do something like that? I appreciate the tip and help. I never knew you could do that.

[fhomess]

Originally Posted by Dagrims

They all look awesome. The only comment I have is that "Japan" is extremely difficult to read.

That's an issue with my logos and not Deft's uniforms. The logos are simply small. To be fair, the jersey image is actualy pretty close, it's just not a particularly easy image to read.
http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/writers/t..._matsuzaka.jpg

[fhomess]

Originally Posted by Kyros

The uniforms look fantastic!!!


My only problem with all this is that in the game it appears that national teams like China, Latin countires, ect will have non-chinese and/or non-latin (or what ever other countires we may use in our "World Cup") looking players on their teams. How will we be able to get the Facegen feature to add the necessary/proper faces with the correct teams? That worries me a bit because it would take a lot of work to add the proper looking player to every team in the league. Any ideas?

These images were not done by creating a nation specific league. The league was just a regular old fictional league in the US, and I didn't go to any effort to get appropriate ethnicities for the player images.

The nations.txt file where the nations are all listed has a section for ethnicities, which allows you to define the relative percentage of African, Asian, Caucasian, East Indian, and Hispanic players that come from that nation. Players generated from that nation will then get assigned one of those ethnicities, and facegen will show up accordingly.

You have to give your league a home nation. You can then specify the percentage of foreign players that get generated to play in that league. So you could create a Japanese league with 0% foreign players and the players should all look Asian. If you want to do a world cup type league, you'll probably have to go in and manually edit the players to the right teams because you can't tell the game that you only want Dutch players to play for the Netherlands.

You probably won't need to do any editing of the nations file unless you have unusual needs (Hobbits, anyone?), but you'll find it in a similar location to this:
C:\Documents and Settings\<username>\My Documents\Sports Interactive\OOTP Baseball 2007\data\database\nations.txt

It's a simply a comma delimited text file that you can edit in notepad or excel.

[Deft]

Thanks, fhommes for the clarifications.

[Wallace Milam]

Originally Posted by Deft

dola..

Here are some more. All of these are from the first 250.

Would have expected to see the Colombian jersies a kind of powdery white.

[silvam14]

Originally Posted by Kyros

The uniforms look fantastic!!!


My only problem with all this is that in the game it appears that national teams like China, Latin countires, ect will have non-chinese and/or non-latin (or what ever other countires we may use in our "World Cup") looking players on their teams. How will we be able to get the Facegen feature to add the necessary/proper faces with the correct teams? That worries me a bit because it would take a lot of work to add the proper looking player to every team in the league. Any ideas?

I was going to say, those Austrailians just don't look, well, Australian!

[battists]

You know, this is astounding work.

On top of that, apart from the occasional goofy FaceGen, and the questionable realism of the facial hair, every now and then FaceGen comes up with faces that are frankly shocking to me in how much they look like real people.

The first three pictures in the first post, from the left, are all incredibly natural-looking players.

[Curtis]

Originally Posted by silvam14

I was going to say, those Austrailians just don't look, well, Australian!

I've read that the proportion of orientals in Australia is higher than it is in the U.S. Of course they also have Aborigines, but they really don't look black as we think of it, and I doubt there are many Hispanics there… but I've been wrong before.

[battists]

Originally Posted by Curtis

I've read that the proportion of orientals in Australia is higher than it is in the U.S. Of course they also have Aborigines, but they really don't look black as we think of it, and I doubt there are many Hispanics there… but I've been wrong before.

I don't think anyone calls them "orientals" any more, Curtis.

Anyway, all of the percentages for face type (loosely, ethnicity) are stored in text files, and all of the player face types can be edited manually as well.

[Curtis]

Originally Posted by battists

I don't think anyone calls them "orientals" any more, Curtis.

Absolutely serious questions: Then what DO they call them? And when did it change?

[silvam14]

Originally Posted by Curtis

Absolutely serious questions: Then what DO they call them? And when did it change?

Asians. Orientals are rugs, not people, so I'm told by my fiancee who places a lot more importance and has a better grip on what is and isn't socially acceptable terminology.

Personally, I think most of it is BS, but that is for OT

[Curtis]

Thanks, Silvam.

Hmm. 'oriental' would be the equivalent of 'negro', and 'Asian' would be the equivalent of 'African', which is now passe. The equivalent of the modern 'black' would be 'yellow'. I'm thinking it'll be awhile before that one catches on. You're right, it's both PC and OT. I'm out.

[fhomess]

Originally Posted by silvam14

Personally, I think most of it is BS, but that is for OT

Yes, Asians is the preferred term these days. Your comment here is a bit insensitive. Many people to whom these terms apply do actually care. Sometimes, the terms we use to describe people develop associations over time that those people don't appreciate. Often, there's very valid and good reasons for it. If you've ever spent time in a country where you were part of a racial minority and were routinely referred to by a race describing term that you knew had uncomfortable connotations associated with, then the odds are good that you understand this.

Originally Posted by Curtis

Hmm. 'oriental' would be the equivalent of 'negro', and 'Asian' would be the equivalent of 'African', which is now passe. The equivalent of the modern 'black' would be 'yellow'. I'm thinking it'll be awhile before that one catches on. You're right, it's both PC and OT. I'm out.

Yellow and red have both already come and gone. African is not passe. Not to folks from Zimbabwe, Nigeria, or Kenya, for example.

[battists]

Originally Posted by Curtis

Hmm. 'oriental' would be the equivalent of 'negro', and 'Asian' would be the equivalent of 'African', which is now passe. The equivalent of the modern 'black' would be 'yellow'. I'm thinking it'll be awhile before that one catches on. You're right, it's both PC and OT. I'm out.

BTW, from Wikipedia:

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

Although oriental is generally considered a neutral term in the United Kingdom, other parts of the Commonwealth and most of Europe,<SUP class=noprint>[citation needed]</SUP> there is some controversy regarding the connotations and implications of the term in North America. According to Abdurrahman R. Squires "politically correct terms have taken the place of the word 'Orientalism'". <SUP class=reference id=_ref-0>[1]</SUP> According to The Official Politically Correct Dictionary and Handbook the term is offensive and should be avoided. <SUP class=reference id=_ref-1>[2]</SUP>
While a number of reference works used in the United States describe Oriental as pejorative, antiquated or offensive in some instances, the American Heritage Book of English Usage notes that
<DL><DD>It is worth remembering, though, that Oriental is not an ethnic slur to be avoided in all situations. It is most objectionable in contemporary contexts and when used as a noun, as in "the appointment of an Oriental to head the commission". In these cases Asian (or a more specific term such as Vietnamese, Korean, or Asian American, if appropriate) is the only acceptable term. But in certain historical contexts, or when its exotic connotations are integral to the topic, Oriental remains a useful term.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-2>[3]</SUP> </DD></DL>Random House's Guide to Sensitive Language states "Other words (e.g., Oriental, colored) are outdated or inaccurate." This Guide to Sensitive Language suggests the use of "Asian or more specific designation such as Pacific Islander, Chinese American, [or] Korean." <SUP class=reference id=_ref-3>[4]</SUP> Merriam-Webster describes the term as "sometimes offensive,"<SUP class=reference id=_ref-4>[5]</SUP> Encarta states that when the term is used as a noun it is considered " a highly offensive term for somebody from East Asia" <SUP class=reference id=_ref-5>[6]</SUP> However, the same reference also defines the adjectival usage as "relating to East Asia (dated)" or "high quality".

Anyway, don't worry about it Curtis, if anyone accuses you of being non-PC, we'll just tell them you did it by occident.

[Curtis]

Thanks to all, and Steve, I'm still laughing.

[Deft]

Being an Occidental, we prefer to be called Euro-Americans, I am highly offended.

[silvam14]

Originally Posted by fhomess

Yes, Asians is the preferred term these days. Your comment here is a bit insensitive. Many people to whom these terms apply do actually care. Sometimes, the terms we use to describe people develop associations over time that those people don't appreciate. Often, there's very valid and good reasons for it. If you've ever spent time in a country where you were part of a racial minority and were routinely referred to by a race describing term that you knew had uncomfortable connotations associated with, then the odds are good that you understand this.

Like I said, OT. If not giving 2 damns about being 100%PC is insensitive, then call me novocane. Just don't insult my intelligence by telling me the "stranger in a strange land" story. I realize why certain levels of PC exists. I just think it gets blown out of proportion a lot. (Like the HR totals in my 2006 league)

Ok, nough said. Sorry for being brash!

Cheers!

[battists]

Originally Posted by Curtis

Thanks to all, and Steve, I'm still laughing.

Yay! I have spawned some sort of happiness for a time. Always a good thing.

As bad as it was, that was one of the best "pun setups" I've ever stumbled across. I was totally afraid someone would beat me to it.