Free Agency Really Urks Me

Queensryche · 03-01-2003, 08:32 PM

I really hate the fact that in the FA Market...you offer a player X amount...and then it will say they really like your offer...so you finish a couple of days and they still like your offer the most.

Then you finish another day and they disapear. You think,"Awesome...I just signed him"...yet when you read the E-mail...it says (Example)"Detroit offered me a better contract and I signed with them"

You have NO CHANCE to even counter offer. I really hate this and it makes the Free Agent period very annyoing. Anyone else have this problem? It is really starting to iritate me.

EagleEye_0 · 03-01-2003, 08:34 PM

I think we should talk to MLB about this problem. Seriously, I think this happens often in real life as well.

holyroller · 03-01-2003, 08:35 PM

Yes, I have had this happen many times. However, it is realistic. This is not a bug or a problem.

Dargone · 03-01-2003, 08:37 PM

It's not fun when it happens to you, however I don't believe it's a bug or somethig that needs to be tweaked.

Ragin Cajun · 03-01-2003, 08:38 PM

This happened in OOTP4 as well. Definitely not fun.. On the opposite side of this equation, I've had a player that I just bid on that signed with me the first day I bid; so this happens to the cpu as well.

Queensryche · 03-01-2003, 08:41 PM

Nah...I find it hard to believe that it is "realistic."

A player is not just going to sign on a whim without looking at other options for possibly more money. They almost always look for the most amount of money.

I think you should at LEAST have a chance to make a counter offer....then have him sign with whoever he wants to.

It happens way to often for me to believe it is realistic.

A.J. Holz · 03-01-2003, 09:03 PM

This reminds me of the problems Atlanta had trying to re-sign Glavine during the offseason.

If I remember correctly, Glavine's best offer was from the Mets and he was waiting around for ATL to contact him to give him a counter-offer.

They failed to, and this year Glavine will be pitching for NYM (ack! ptui!).

markprior22 · 03-01-2003, 09:18 PM

I think anything to make the game more challenging is a good thing...hope these games keep growing to the point where house rules won't be needed to keep the game challenging season after season

yclept · 03-01-2003, 09:26 PM

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Originally posted by Queensryche
Nah...I find it hard to believe that it is "realistic."

A player is not just going to sign on a whim without looking at other options for possibly more money. They almost always look for the most amount of money.

I think you should at LEAST have a chance to make a counter offer....then have him sign with whoever he wants to.

It happens way to often for me to believe it is realistic.

Not necessarily true. Jim Thome would have gone back to Cleveland if the money there was anywhere close to Philly's. The same could even be said for Jason Giambi, who only wanted Oakland to add a no-trade clause to go back there.

So sometimes players DO have a choice of where they want to go - and as soon as that team offers them a contract that is somewhere around market value, they go there.

Also, the game would be way too easy if they just allowed you to keep offering $1 more then what is now the highest offer. I kinda like it as is, even if it is annoying when a player I really want goes off somewhere else.

Karl Marx · 03-01-2003, 09:31 PM

Yeah I really like this feature, no matter how aggrivating it may be esp. if you're trying to rebuild a team. It's fun, it's kinda cool when you sign a player on the first try or watch him holdout for a better off 'til day 29. Gettting into some $1 dollar bidding war would be no fun.

smeyers003 · 03-01-2003, 09:36 PM

It has happened in the MLB a number of times. I remeber last offseason Juan Gonzalez was real close to being a Met and then out of nowhere he signed with Texas.

DaleReeck · 03-01-2003, 09:42 PM

I agree that having the computer sideswiping you is the best way to go. As humans, we always have an advantage. I've played too many games where if you really want a free agent, you can get him. OOTP is one of the first where I lose more FA's to the computer than I get, whether they last second outbid me or the FA tells me to go dink myself, they don't want to play for me

SimSportsWorld · 03-01-2003, 09:50 PM

I really like this feature, unlike most of you I guess

It adds the element of surprise to the game. If you found out that a player was going to sign with you before it happened, then you could sign just about any player you wanted, as long as your team was good enough. The fact that a player will sneak behind your back and sign with someone else last minute, prevents you from stacking your team, and adds a little mystery to the game. Not to mention it adds a great rivalry with the team he signs with

Jays9293 · 03-01-2003, 09:51 PM

Aggrivating as it may be, it does reflect realism and is a great addition.

Queensryche · 03-01-2003, 10:41 PM

No way...I refuse to believe it is in anyway realistic. You have NO feedback on whats going on. Someone mentioned above about Jim Thome...in that situation we should KNOW the details of something like that. I mean have him say "I'm waiting out Cleveland to see if they are going to offer more money,but until then I like your offer"

Or something to that effect..having it just be complete luck is stupid and not realistic to me. You say its a good feature to have so we humans "won't cheat"....well there really is an easy solution to this...DON'T CHEAT.

I still think its way off from being realistic and really hope something is done abou it in the future. At least give us more info as to WHY they are signing with so and so team.

Queensryche · 03-01-2003, 11:23 PM

BTW~I don't want to make it seem like this destorys the game or anything. Its not like I'm going to quit playing it over this...but I would just really like some more information in the future as to WHY people are signing with a team over yours....

HolyCow98 · 03-01-2003, 11:23 PM

What are you talking about???

In the older versions of OOTP, you could guarentee you would be able to resign your players and sign pretty much the top free agents.....it wasn't cheating....you just could....

It seems like you are frustrated.. You did bring up the couter offer idea, that would be a good idea to put in and I know that .400 studios have thought about putting that in before so we shall have to see.

It also sounds like you wanted it to allow you to be able to outbid the computer if you had the money. If you do, then you get your FA player.

How would you like it to be Queensryche??

Perhaps it would be more realistic for it be a almost always to the highest bidder. When the game used to operate that way....It was too easy....even if you limited yourself to one free agent a year.

I got to the point where it was one every 5 years...

baroquen · 03-01-2003, 11:28 PM

Hmmm....Palmeiro re-signing with Texas right when the Orioles thought they had him back in the fold....

That's what I'm reminded of when it happens to me in the game.
Realistic, to me - yes. Fun - not so much.... but hey... if the game isn't a challenge, then why play?

Queensryche · 03-01-2003, 11:30 PM

Quote:

How would you like it to be Queensryche??

Well..the current system would be okay.with some tweaking..but I really wish I had more information as to the reasons WHY I lost so and so player.

I mean right now you lose the guy and you have no clue as to why you just lost this guy....and like I said...you don't have any chance to Counter-Offer.

I mean it could go as high as 11 mil for a player..and you just say..."well..i can't pay that much for him" then you just move on and let the other teams duke it out for him.

But right now as it stands you will be the only bidder on a certain guy for 10 rounds...then in the 11th round some team puts up a quick bid and you have no chance to see their offer or offer your own counter-offer. The other team just automatically gets the player.

Red Blow · 03-01-2003, 11:42 PM

I'd like to have the ability to "up" my offer if it was the best one. I have had the aggravation of what Q-R is talking about... and part of me likes it... but not when I have held the high bid from day one... and the player sends me the dump-n-sign on day 13.

If I have a high, stagnant bid I should be able to sweeten it a bit to let the guy know I really want him. If he still wants to go to another team, at least they will have to pay more than what I would.

03-01-2003, 08:32 PM	#1
Queensryche Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 453	Free Agency Really Urks Me I really hate the fact that in the FA Market...you offer a player X amount...and then it will say they really like your offer...so you finish a couple of days and they still like your offer the most. Then you finish another day and they disapear. You think,"Awesome...I just signed him"...yet when you read the E-mail...it says (Example)"Detroit offered me a better contract and I signed with them" You have NO CHANCE to even counter offer. I really hate this and it makes the Free Agent period very annyoing. Anyone else have this problem? It is really starting to iritate me.

03-01-2003, 08:35 PM	#3
holyroller Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: OTBL Forums Posts: 3,532	Yes, I have had this happen many times. However, it is realistic. This is not a bug or a problem. __________________ Back to work, but not drawing a paycheck. TonyJ et. al.'s alias “I confused it with the chicken’s neck,” Mocanu, who was admitted to the emergency hospital in Galati, was quoted as saying. “I cut it ... and the dog rushed and ate it.”

03-01-2003, 08:37 PM	#4
Dargone Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Interwebs Posts: 2,862	It's not fun when it happens to you, however I don't believe it's a bug or somethig that needs to be tweaked. __________________ I was never one to patiently pick up broken fragments and glue them together again and tell myself that the mended whole was as good as new. What is broken is broken -- and I'd rather remember it as it was at its best than mend it and see the broken places as long as I lived.-Margaret Mitchell

03-01-2003, 08:38 PM	#5
Ragin Cajun All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Atascosita, TX Posts: 1,173	This happened in OOTP4 as well. Definitely not fun.. On the opposite side of this equation, I've had a player that I just bid on that signed with me the first day I bid; so this happens to the cpu as well. __________________ Former NBSL Commissioner: 16 years Former Online League Owner; six time champion

03-01-2003, 09:03 PM	#7
A.J. Holz All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 650	This reminds me of the problems Atlanta had trying to re-sign Glavine during the offseason. If I remember correctly, Glavine's best offer was from the Mets and he was waiting around for ATL to contact him to give him a counter-offer. They failed to, and this year Glavine will be pitching for NYM (ack! ptui!). __________________ NABA - Tijuana Toros / Commish ORB - Oakland Athletics (former owner) MBBA - Seattle Storm JOBL - Grand Forks Varmints (former owner) FIBB - Chicago Fire TMBU - Tulsa Tomcats (former owner) ACL - Oakland A's (former owner) ACB - Rockville Superbas

03-01-2003, 08:34 PM	#2
EagleEye_0 All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,426	I think we should talk to MLB about this problem. Seriously, I think this happens often in real life as well.

03-01-2003, 08:41 PM	#6
Queensryche Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 453	Nah...I find it hard to believe that it is "realistic." A player is not just going to sign on a whim without looking at other options for possibly more money. They almost always look for the most amount of money. I think you should at LEAST have a chance to make a counter offer....then have him sign with whoever he wants to. It happens way to often for me to believe it is realistic.

03-01-2003, 09:18 PM	#8
markprior22 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: springfield, illinois Posts: 1,245	I think anything to make the game more challenging is a good thing...hope these games keep growing to the point where house rules won't be needed to keep the game challenging season after season

03-01-2003, 09:31 PM	#10
Karl Marx Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 213	Yeah I really like this feature, no matter how aggrivating it may be esp. if you're trying to rebuild a team. It's fun, it's kinda cool when you sign a player on the first try or watch him holdout for a better off 'til day 29. Gettting into some $1 dollar bidding war would be no fun. __________________ "The art of remembering and forgetting will also insure against sticking fast in some relationship of life, and make possible the realization of a complete freedom." Kierkegaard

03-01-2003, 09:36 PM	#11
smeyers003 Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 416	It has happened in the MLB a number of times. I remeber last offseason Juan Gonzalez was real close to being a Met and then out of nowhere he signed with Texas.

03-01-2003, 09:42 PM	#12
DaleReeck Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 91	I agree that having the computer sideswiping you is the best way to go. As humans, we always have an advantage. I've played too many games where if you really want a free agent, you can get him. OOTP is one of the first where I lose more FA's to the computer than I get, whether they last second outbid me or the FA tells me to go dink myself, they don't want to play for me

03-01-2003, 09:50 PM	#13
SimSportsWorld Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 236	I really like this feature, unlike most of you I guess It adds the element of surprise to the game. If you found out that a player was going to sign with you before it happened, then you could sign just about any player you wanted, as long as your team was good enough. The fact that a player will sneak behind your back and sign with someone else last minute, prevents you from stacking your team, and adds a little mystery to the game. Not to mention it adds a great rivalry with the team he signs with __________________ <br> <a href="http://simsportsworld.com ">THE FIGHT FOR OCTOBER</a> --- COMMISSIONER/BOSTON RED SOX <br> <a href="http://www.legendsport.com/baseball/timeline">TIMELINE BASEBALL LEAGUE</a> --- BOSTON RED SOX <br> <a href="http://nabc.bigcitybaseball.com">NABC</a> --- SEATTLE RAINERS <br> <a href="http://www.legendsport.com/baseball/thb/thb.htm">TWISTED HISTORY BASEBALL</a> --- PHILADELPHIA A'S

03-01-2003, 09:51 PM	#14
Jays9293 Bat Boy Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 19	Aggrivating as it may be, it does reflect realism and is a great addition.

03-01-2003, 10:41 PM	#15
Queensryche Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 453	No way...I refuse to believe it is in anyway realistic. You have NO feedback on whats going on. Someone mentioned above about Jim Thome...in that situation we should KNOW the details of something like that. I mean have him say "I'm waiting out Cleveland to see if they are going to offer more money,but until then I like your offer" Or something to that effect..having it just be complete luck is stupid and not realistic to me. You say its a good feature to have so we humans "won't cheat"....well there really is an easy solution to this...DON'T CHEAT. I still think its way off from being realistic and really hope something is done abou it in the future. At least give us more info as to WHY they are signing with so and so team.

03-01-2003, 11:23 PM	#16
Queensryche Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 453	BTW~I don't want to make it seem like this destorys the game or anything. Its not like I'm going to quit playing it over this...but I would just really like some more information in the future as to WHY people are signing with a team over yours....

03-01-2003, 11:23 PM	#17
HolyCow98 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Douglasville, GA Posts: 2,735	What are you talking about??? In the older versions of OOTP, you could guarentee you would be able to resign your players and sign pretty much the top free agents.....it wasn't cheating....you just could.... It seems like you are frustrated.. You did bring up the couter offer idea, that would be a good idea to put in and I know that .400 studios have thought about putting that in before so we shall have to see. It also sounds like you wanted it to allow you to be able to outbid the computer if you had the money. If you do, then you get your FA player. How would you like it to be Queensryche?? Perhaps it would be more realistic for it be a almost always to the highest bidder. When the game used to operate that way....It was too easy....even if you limited yourself to one free agent a year. I got to the point where it was one every 5 years... __________________ NPBL Enjoying its 60th season Georgia GM

03-01-2003, 11:28 PM	#18
baroquen Bat Boy Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 8	Hmmm....Palmeiro re-signing with Texas right when the Orioles thought they had him back in the fold.... That's what I'm reminded of when it happens to me in the game. Realistic, to me - yes. Fun - not so much.... but hey... if the game isn't a challenge, then why play?

03-01-2003, 11:42 PM	#20
Red Blow Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 404	I'd like to have the ability to "up" my offer if it was the best one. I have had the aggravation of what Q-R is talking about... and part of me likes it... but not when I have held the high bid from day one... and the player sends me the dump-n-sign on day 13. If I have a high, stagnant bid I should be able to sweeten it a bit to let the guy know I really want him. If he still wants to go to another team, at least they will have to pay more than what I would. __________________ http://www.nobl.net This is your father's league.