Feeder league info - Page 2

Kemp · 02-17-2007, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Kemp

Hey thank you for all the information, sounds great. Can there be multiple feeder leagues for one "Major" league? In other words, can you have one feeder league with an age maximum of 18 and another with an age max of 25 feeding into one league? And if so, would there be one or two drafts for that league (one for each feeder league or would they be combined)?

Curious to see if anyone has the answer to this question. Can 2 feeder leagues feed one "pro" league? And if so, would the draft classes simply be combined for one large draft?

And while I'm at it..... Let's say I ran the feeder leagues during the "winter". That is, the schedule ran from, say, October through March. Then my "pro" league draft was in April and the season followed. I'm pretty sure this would work, that the feeder league players would go into the pro draft, but I wanted to confirm that this scenario was possible.

Thanks.

SC_Dawg · 02-17-2007, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Kemp

Curious to see if anyone has the answer to this question. Can 2 feeder leagues feed one "pro" league? And if so, would the draft classes simply be combined for one large draft?

And while I'm at it..... Let's say I ran the feeder leagues during the "winter". That is, the schedule ran from, say, October through March. Then my "pro" league draft was in April and the season followed. I'm pretty sure this would work, that the feeder league players would go into the pro draft, but I wanted to confirm that this scenario was possible.

Thanks.

You can have multiple feeder leagues for one ML. All of the players that come from all of the feeder leagues are combined into the amateur player draft for the ML they are feeding.

Kaitiaki · 02-17-2007, 09:22 AM

To expand on Dawg's answer, yes, multiple feeder leagues can feed one major league, and in many situations that's what you'd want to do: a single feeder league of the same size as the major league doesn't produce enough players per year to "completely" feed the draft: OOTP can fill in the gaps with generated players, the same way drafts worked in the past, or you can use more than one (or two, or whatever) feeder leagues to have a draft that is entirely "real".

- Kai

Kemp · 02-17-2007, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaitiaki

a single feeder league of the same size as the major league doesn't produce enough players per year to "completely" feed the draft: OOTP can fill in the gaps with generated players, the same way drafts worked in the past,

Is that an option? That is, to have the application "fill in the gaps"? Personally I'd rather use ghost players than have the game generate players from nowhere in the event that I'm "short" players.

By the way, thanks for all the information! With the release being a month off, it's fun to play with set-up options/scenarios while we wait!

Kaitiaki · 02-17-2007, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kemp

Is that an option? That is, to have the application "fill in the gaps"? Personally I'd rather use ghost players than have the game generate players from nowhere in the event that I'm "short" players.

Yup, you can do it either way. Whenever you have at least one feeder league for a major league, an option becomes available to have the draft either consist only of players who graduated from the feeder, or players who graduated plus fictional ones.

As long as you use ghost players, you won't have a problem having a feeder-league-only draft (provided you do still have enough players to restock your major league, of course... a two-team feeder league trying to supply a thirty-team major league obviously wouldn't work well

). Without ghost players, though, it is highly recommended to let the game create any additional players it thinks are needed - or else you risk having minor league teams run out of players with no way to replenish them.

- Kai

Ktulu · 02-17-2007, 04:17 PM

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To expand on Dawg's answer, yes, multiple feeder leagues can feed one major league, and in many situations that's what you'd want to do: a single feeder league of the same size as the major league doesn't produce enough players per year to "completely" feed the draft: OOTP can fill in the gaps with generated players, the same way drafts worked in the past, or you can use more than one (or two, or whatever) feeder leagues to have a draft that is entirely "real".

Is there a rough guideline on the ratio of feeder teams to big league teams?

I'm guessing that this might require some trial and error when the game comes out. A feeder league with only 18-19 year olds would probably require less teams than one with a range of 15-19 since the latter would have fewer draft eligible (19 year old) players on each roster.

Kaitiaki · 02-17-2007, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ktulu

Is there a rough guideline on the ratio of feeder teams to big league teams?

There isn't, for reasons like the one you mentioned. That said, what there is is a warning dialogue in the game setup that pops up if you try to set an Amateur Draft size that would result in fewer players being drafted than the league needs to sustain itself.

- Kai

CBL-Commish · 02-24-2007, 05:24 PM

I'm bumping this thread to ask kind of the converse of what's already been asked:

Is it possible to have a feeder league with players graduating to multiple higher leagues? Can I have an NCAA league feeding some players to both the Majors and the Continental League? Can the Maryland High School Association feed both the Big East Conference and the ACC?

Kaitiaki · 02-24-2007, 06:25 PM

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Is it possible to have a feeder league with players graduating to multiple higher leagues? Can I have an NCAA league feeding some players to both the Majors and the Continental League? Can the Maryland High School Association feed both the Big East Conference and the ACC?

No, sorry.

- Kai

Kemp · 02-24-2007, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CBL-Commish

I'm bumping this thread to ask kind of the converse of what's already been asked:

Is it possible to have a feeder league with players graduating to multiple higher leagues? Can I have an NCAA league feeding some players to both the Majors and the Continental League? Can the Maryland High School Association feed both the Big East Conference and the ACC?

For what it's worth, while it seems that a feeder league can be associated to ONLY ONE "higher level league" for a DRAFT, the players not drafted will become FA's and can be signed by any "secondary" league.

So if you have an NCAA league feeding the Majors, there will be a draft. Anyone not drafted could be signed as FA's by the Continental league. That might work for you.

Jestor · 02-24-2007, 07:48 PM

Have any of the beta testers tried, for example, say a 5 or 6 to 18 feeder league?

So you could get the feeling of watching a player develop from first grade on or something before he finally gets drafted?

disposableheros · 02-24-2007, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jestor

Have any of the beta testers tried, for example, say a 5 or 6 to 18 feeder league?

So you could get the feeling of watching a player develop from first grade on or something before he finally gets drafted?

i posted somewhere else that while it is possible to create players of any age, when you get outside a certain range, the AI doesnt handle it very well. id peg those ages at less than ~15 and more than ~45.

Jestor · 02-25-2007, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by disposableheros

i posted somewhere else that while it is possible to create players of any age, when you get outside a certain range, the AI doesnt handle it very well. id peg those ages at less than ~15 and more than ~45.

How likely would you say it is that the kinks on that could be worked out during this version's cycle?

disposableheros · 02-25-2007, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jestor

How likely would you say it is that the kinks on that could be worked out during this version's cycle?

im sorry, but i dont want to speculate about what Markus will do or not.

if i were doing the coding, i wouldnt work it out until 2008 or beyond, if ever. there is actual statistical data being used to formulate the aging and development algorithyms of MLB aged players and that data doesnt exist for little leaguers or 55-year old beer leaguers.

im all for the lifelong OOTP baseball cycle, but im all for it working right, not just working. id rather it not be there at all than be there half-assed.

tijas2 · 02-27-2007, 09:04 PM

Can feeder leagues be added if more are needed to sufficiently fill the ammy draft pools? Can they be removed as well if the opposite occurs (say I decide to contract teams from my major league and therefore don't need as many players?

HerbD · 02-27-2007, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn
No, not yet. But I might tweak it so that undrafted HS players go to college...

Wondering if Markus has been able to implement this yet?

NomarHits400 · 02-27-2007, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by HerbD

Wondering if Markus has been able to implement this yet?

Oohh, hadn't heard that one- that would be FANTASTIC if possible!

Nu-Bru · 02-28-2007, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn
No, not yet. But I might tweak it so that undrafted HS players go to college...

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Originally Posted by HerbD

Wondering if Markus has been able to implement this yet?

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Originally Posted by NomarHits400

Oohh, hadn't heard that one- that would be FANTASTIC if possible!

Just chirping up here with my own vote on this. It would be a lot more realistic if undrafted HS players went to college then into the FA pool.

Actually, it would be very realistic if most undrafted HS players went to college and some of them went to FA.

And, anticipating someone's response, I should add that it would be real life if some HS graduates ended up working in the ballpark concession stands, but that's for a future version of OOTP.

DawnBTVS · 02-28-2007, 09:34 AM

Quick question...

Say I wanted to create a HS and College feeder league... but also wanted a Japanese feeder league to the MLB and a Mexican feeder league.

Q1: Can you set it up so the feeder leagues have a certain nationality percent? Like the Japanese feeder league would be 98% Japanese players, etc.?

Q2: Say you have all of those feeder leagues on different schedules like Japan goes September - July, College goes March - June, and Japan goes November - August, can the feeder leagues still fill a June draft despite "passing" that month in the schedule? Or do the leagues have to end prior to the draft day in order for the players to 'enter' the draft?

ctorg · 02-28-2007, 09:47 AM

The best way to think of feeder leagues seems to be this (beta testers, correct me if I'm wrong):

Feeder leagues are basically low level minor leagues in every way except that
1) you don't have access to the players on them until the draft
2) they are not affiliated
3) they are age-restricted and feed the draft.

02-17-2007, 09:22 AM	#23
Kaitiaki Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,065	To expand on Dawg's answer, yes, multiple feeder leagues can feed one major league, and in many situations that's what you'd want to do: a single feeder league of the same size as the major league doesn't produce enough players per year to "completely" feed the draft: OOTP can fill in the gaps with generated players, the same way drafts worked in the past, or you can use more than one (or two, or whatever) feeder leagues to have a draft that is entirely "real". - Kai __________________ BJHL: Commissioner; Owner: Wichita War Eagles

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02-27-2007, 09:04 PM	#35
tijas2 Bat Boy Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 11	Can feeder leagues be added if more are needed to sufficiently fill the ammy draft pools? Can they be removed as well if the opposite occurs (say I decide to contract teams from my major league and therefore don't need as many players?

02-28-2007, 09:34 AM	#39
DawnBTVS Major Leagues Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA Posts: 416	Quick question... Say I wanted to create a HS and College feeder league... but also wanted a Japanese feeder league to the MLB and a Mexican feeder league. Q1: Can you set it up so the feeder leagues have a certain nationality percent? Like the Japanese feeder league would be 98% Japanese players, etc.? Q2: Say you have all of those feeder leagues on different schedules like Japan goes September - July, College goes March - June, and Japan goes November - August, can the feeder leagues still fill a June draft despite "passing" that month in the schedule? Or do the leagues have to end prior to the draft day in order for the players to 'enter' the draft?