So...OOTP2007 - Page 6

Le Grande Orange · 02-03-2007, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by delta

Well, please do share one. I'd love to see what's been discussed about aging and player development.

Suffice it to say that it involves a lot of intricate charts and complicated statistical mathematics that are beyond my reach. Those knowledgeable folks in those thread do seem to understand it though, so it should be fine.

RonCo · 02-03-2007, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by delta

Well, please do share one. I'd love to see what's been discussed about aging and player development.

Previous versions of OOTP were designed so each type of player skill developed in an umbrella pattern--they started low, rose, then eventually fell. That makes logical sense, of course. But, unfortunately, this is a case where common logic is not so good. The average baseball player does not age like that. In general, for example, pitchers strike out rates are higher when they are younger, while their walk rates improve as they age. Each skill in OOTP 2007 rises and falls to its own beat, and in ways that model currently available sabermetric data.

lynchjm24 · 02-03-2007, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by RonCo

Previous versions of OOTP were designed so each type of player skill developed in an umbrella pattern--they started low, rose, then eventually fell. That makes logical sense, of course. But, unfortunately, this is a case where common logic is not so good. The average baseball player does not age like that. In general, for example, pitchers strike out rates are higher when they are younger, while their walk rates improve as they age. Each skill in OOTP 2007 rises and falls to its own beat, and in ways that model currently available sabermetric data.

So they peak defensively very young, and begin losing speed in their mid 20's? That would be quite impressive if that was modeled correctly?

Raidergoo · 02-03-2007, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by delta

Well, please do share one. I'd love to see what's been discussed about aging and player development.

I think they may develop this into a blog.

Raidergoo · 02-03-2007, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by lynchjm24

So they peak defensively very young, and begin losing speed in their mid 20's? That would be quite impressive if that was modeled correctly?

I think so, but I also know it's a work in progress.

RonCo · 02-03-2007, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by lynchjm24

That would be quite impressive if that was modeled correctly?

RonCo · 02-03-2007, 09:27 AM

The defensive model has more to it than speed, of course.

lynchjm24 · 02-03-2007, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by RonCo

The defensive model has more to it than speed, of course.

I know, I was just throwing 2 aspects that baseball sims never seem to get right out there. By the time most players get to the majors they are already slowing down.

RonCo · 02-03-2007, 09:40 AM

Indeed they are.

AggermanTxR · 02-06-2007, 07:56 PM

I'm excited about the release being in March, rather than late April or May, very efficient development, beta testing and marketing.
Of course I'm also loving the new additions and tweaks.
Note to skeptics: To me, I'll take any OOTP past 5.0 with all of their flaws, limitations and bumps in the road, over say puresim, diamond mind or whatever other lesser baseball sim ever created IMHO.

BigCity · 02-06-2007, 08:20 PM

I have to admit that reading through threads like this is truly amusing.

Having been here since V3 (2001) I can vouch for the fact that every year is the same. Defenders, Vilifiers, and the vast MAJORITY in between.

OOTP 2007 will be exactly like all other updates. It will thrill some, anger others, and sell to the majority of followers. To me, the posts worth paying attention to are those posted by the majority that criticizes tactfully and is interested more in helping advance the game than starting a cult.

I said in another post, keep aware of your love of the game, and focus your attention on helping improve it - even if this is yet the 2nd or 3rd time you've pointed out what you feel is a problem.

OOTP2007 is not even the same game OOTP 3 was, thus progress is not only possible, but is measurable.

To those who insist on standing at a busy intersection preaching the end of the world, ask yourself if anyone is listening.

Qrusher14242 · 02-06-2007, 10:04 PM

People are just very wary after last years debacle. I hope it will be better, but am not preordering it. After all the promises of last year,i wont take that chance.

rewc27 · 02-06-2007, 10:53 PM

Get the demo and see for yourself is all I have to say. I didn't like 2006. The things I didn't like about 2006 have been adressed and fixed in 07. Markus, Marc, Andreas and company, really listen to what people have to say, (good, bad, and ugly), and try to make it a game that everyone will enjoy. The fun is back in this version. But please don't listen to me, don't listen to people who are already dismissing the game. Play it for yourself and make a decision.

ctorg · 02-07-2007, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCity

I have to admit that reading through threads like this is truly amusing.

Having been here since V3 (2001) I can vouch for the fact that every year is the same. Defenders, Vilifiers, and the vast MAJORITY in between.

OOTP 2007 will be exactly like all other updates. It will thrill some, anger others, and sell to the majority of followers. To me, the posts worth paying attention to are those posted by the majority that criticizes tactfully and is interested more in helping advance the game than starting a cult.

I said in another post, keep aware of your love of the game, and focus your attention on helping improve it - even if this is yet the 2nd or 3rd time you've pointed out what you feel is a problem.

OOTP2007 is not even the same game OOTP 3 was, thus progress is not only possible, but is measurable.

To those who insist on standing at a busy intersection preaching the end of the world, ask yourself if anyone is listening.

Yeah, even when you are criticizing, it's best to be constructive. Markus has a good track record of listening and responding, even as the game has gotten much more complex and, I'm sure, difficult to do that with. Sure, there are nagging issues that hang around forever sometimes, but when people post constructive criticism, he usually does something to address it, even if it's just to explain why things don't work the way people would like (e.g. a desired feature would slow the game down too much).

Cowboys3356 · 02-07-2007, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MorseMoose

Doesn't seem enough for me...

The historical stuff and expansion looks pretty dang cool and if it works, it might be a reason to buy. But the rest doesn't seem like enough. I mean the format still sucks and the rest seems like minor updates. Oh well, maybe 2008

. I didn't buy OOTP6, so I can skip a year.

Appears like OOTP 6.51 is STILL going to be the gold standard!!!

battists · 02-07-2007, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Cowboys3356

Appears like OOTP 6.51 is STILL going to be the gold standard!!!

Based on . . . MorseMoose's opinion??

Raidergoo · 02-07-2007, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Cowboys3356

Appears like OOTP 6.51 is STILL going to be the gold standard!!!

You are wrong.

Prodigal Son · 02-07-2007, 09:04 AM

There seems to be an increasing number of editable options and a lot of requests for even more. Is there thought to moving some of those to an .ini file to make the game more accessible to new players? Being greeted with hundreds of confusing options (which might not be an exaggeration) can be intimidating. But some basic options and some default settings could be used with the more complicated stuff (ex. aging and creation modifiers) could be moved to an .ini.

I don't have 2006, so I don't know if steps have been taken to organize the overwhelming option choices. Definitely getting 2007, though!

battists · 02-07-2007, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Prodigal Son

There seems to be an increasing number of editable options and a lot of requests for even more. Is there thought to moving some of those to an .ini file to make the game more accessible to new players?

No. However, the new "League Creation Wizard" lets new players create games quickly while only answering a few of the fundamental questions about their league.

treedom · 02-07-2007, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Prodigal Son

There seems to be an increasing number of editable options and a lot of requests for even more. Is there thought to moving some of those to an .ini file to make the game more accessible to new players? Being greeted with hundreds of confusing options (which might not be an exaggeration) can be intimidating. But some basic options and some default settings could be used with the more complicated stuff (ex. aging and creation modifiers) could be moved to an .ini.

I don't have 2006, so I don't know if steps have been taken to organize the overwhelming option choices. Definitely getting 2007, though!

I don't think this would be a good idea because editing an .ini file would be even more intimidating for the enterprising n00b. Not to mention that being able to edit options on the fly without having to restart the game is more convenient for everyone.

Besides, as battists mentioned, now we have the Wizard. It makes creating standard leagues way less intimidating.

02-06-2007, 10:04 PM	#112
Qrusher14242 All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: CA Posts: 1,253	People are just very wary after last years debacle. I hope it will be better, but am not preordering it. After all the promises of last year,i wont take that chance. __________________ "Go then, there are other worlds than these"

02-06-2007, 10:53 PM	#113
rewc27 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Reading PA Posts: 684	Get the demo and see for yourself is all I have to say. I didn't like 2006. The things I didn't like about 2006 have been adressed and fixed in 07. Markus, Marc, Andreas and company, really listen to what people have to say, (good, bad, and ugly), and try to make it a game that everyone will enjoy. The fun is back in this version. But please don't listen to me, don't listen to people who are already dismissing the game. Play it for yourself and make a decision. __________________ Commish and Phillies GM of the new Beyond The Future Baseball League. www.beyondthefuturebaseball.com Now Defunct Arcanum league - Phillies 1934 World Series Champs Commish of the long time running (now defunct) UMBL. Real Estate Needs www.randysellsyourhome.com

02-03-2007, 09:27 AM	#107
RonCo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 10,510	The defensive model has more to it than speed, of course.

02-03-2007, 09:40 AM	#109
RonCo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 10,510	Indeed they are.

02-06-2007, 07:56 PM	#110
AggermanTxR Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 44	I'm excited about the release being in March, rather than late April or May, very efficient development, beta testing and marketing. Of course I'm also loving the new additions and tweaks. Note to skeptics: To me, I'll take any OOTP past 5.0 with all of their flaws, limitations and bumps in the road, over say puresim, diamond mind or whatever other lesser baseball sim ever created IMHO.

02-06-2007, 08:20 PM	#111
BigCity All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: South Shore, Great Lakes Posts: 1,386	I have to admit that reading through threads like this is truly amusing. Having been here since V3 (2001) I can vouch for the fact that every year is the same. Defenders, Vilifiers, and the vast MAJORITY in between. OOTP 2007 will be exactly like all other updates. It will thrill some, anger others, and sell to the majority of followers. To me, the posts worth paying attention to are those posted by the majority that criticizes tactfully and is interested more in helping advance the game than starting a cult. I said in another post, keep aware of your love of the game, and focus your attention on helping improve it - even if this is yet the 2nd or 3rd time you've pointed out what you feel is a problem. OOTP2007 is not even the same game OOTP 3 was, thus progress is not only possible, but is measurable. To those who insist on standing at a busy intersection preaching the end of the world, ask yourself if anyone is listening.

02-07-2007, 09:04 AM	#118
Prodigal Son All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Iahiodo a.k.a. the flyover Posts: 1,635	There seems to be an increasing number of editable options and a lot of requests for even more. Is there thought to moving some of those to an .ini file to make the game more accessible to new players? Being greeted with hundreds of confusing options (which might not be an exaggeration) can be intimidating. But some basic options and some default settings could be used with the more complicated stuff (ex. aging and creation modifiers) could be moved to an .ini. I don't have 2006, so I don't know if steps have been taken to organize the overwhelming option choices. Definitely getting 2007, though!