2006-2007 Astros Off-Season Thread - Page 3

Astros33Resurrected · 12-05-2006, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by nate7891

Exactly what I was thinking, who did we give up again? Carlos Guillen and Freddy Garcia are the only ones i remember

Also sent was John Halama. Just looked it up.

nate7891 · 12-05-2006, 07:48 PM

just think if we would of hung onto those guys, and Johan and we had Schilling (when he was a prospect) at one point also.

Elendil · 12-05-2006, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by nate7891

just think if we would of hung onto those guys, and Johan and we had Schilling (when he was a prospect) at one point also.

Not to mention Bobby Abreu. And we lost Ken Caminiti and Luis Gonzalez in their prime.

Aordolin · 12-06-2006, 08:54 AM

Id be willing to part with Burke for Peavy depending on who the prospects were in the deal. I would not give up Burke for Jennings though. Peavy is a top of the rotation guy, Jennings is.. well hes better than wandy. I wouldnt mind having him if we had Petitte back too.

Hammer755 · 12-06-2006, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Astros33Resurrected

Those are the ones I remember. Thats way too much for barely 1/2 a season. He didn't even do that great in play-offs IIRC.

ROFL, how quickly they forget.

Johnson went 10-1 with a 1.28 ERA in 11 starts with Houston. He then had a 1.93 ERA in 2 post-season starts, but went 0-2 because the Astros developed an allergic reaction to home plate every October in the late 90's.

I'm not sure if he was worth the 3 players they gave up for him, but to say Johnson was anything less than brilliant is a fallacy.

nate7891 · 12-06-2006, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Aordolin

Id be willing to part with Burke for Peavy depending on who the prospects were in the deal. I would not give up Burke for Jennings though. Peavy is a top of the rotation guy, Jennings is.. well hes better than wandy. I wouldnt mind having him if we had Petitte back too.

According to the Chron. the talks with the Rockies about Jennings have stalled because they were trying to bring Hirsh into the picture.

Astros33Resurrected · 12-06-2006, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammer755

ROFL, how quickly they forget.

Johnson went 10-1 with a 1.28 ERA in 11 starts with Houston. He then had a 1.93 ERA in 2 post-season starts, but went 0-2 because the Astros developed an allergic reaction to home plate every October in the late 90's.

I'm not sure if he was worth the 3 players they gave up for him, but to say Johnson was anything less than brilliant is a fallacy.

ahh yes

i forgot how anemic the stros offense used to get against the braves

nate7891 · 12-06-2006, 03:19 PM

used to get.....their still anemic

Astros33Resurrected · 12-06-2006, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by nate7891

used to get.....their still anemic

Chris Burke owns the Braves though

Astros33Resurrected · 12-06-2006, 07:41 PM

Pettite decided he will pitch next year...but with who???

nate7891 · 12-06-2006, 07:49 PM

i see him going to the yanks if we cant get one more player to help out this team.(pitching wise) Our pitching and our offense arent good enough to be a contender.

Astros33Resurrected · 12-06-2006, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by nate7891

i see him going to the yanks if we cant get one more player to help out this team.(pitching wise) Our pitching and our offense arent good enough to be a contender.

I hope he stays in Houston. I would like at least one out of he and the Rocket to stay. Both would be nice but one would work for me with the addition of Woody Williams.

Aordolin · 12-06-2006, 09:31 PM

Actually it was Kevin Brown and the Padres the Astros ran into that year not the Braves. Johnson was brillant for them. The Padres and Brown were just incrediably hot that year. Brown was just filthy during the late 90s.

nate7891 · 12-07-2006, 12:36 PM

'Stros are set to announce they've traded for Jon Garland. Willy Taveras and Taylor Buchholz are rumored to be part of the deal.
In another story from Rosenthal, he said it would be willy t, buchholz AND Hirsh. But i cant possible see us giving up Hirsh also, and if that is the case then no deal. I hate to see willy t go. But Garland is needed in Houston.

Hammer755 · 12-07-2006, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by nate7891

'Stros are set to announce they've traded for Jon Garland. Willy Taveras and Taylor Buchholz are rumored to be part of the deal.
In another story from Rosenthal, he said it would be willy t, buchholz AND Hirsh. But i cant possible see us giving up Hirsh also, and if that is the case then no deal. I hate to see willy t go. But Garland is needed in Houston.

Sounds to me like the deal is pretty much on hold. Chicago wants Hirsch and Houston doesn't want to give him up. Looks like a pretty big obstacle to me.

nate7891 · 12-07-2006, 06:28 PM

yeah,Houston wont trade Hirsh for anything short of Johan Santana

mikev · 12-07-2006, 06:40 PM

According to this link, the deal for Garland is practically dead because Buchholz allegedly failed a physical.

nate7891 · 12-07-2006, 08:05 PM

he didnt take a physical. Buchholz has already came out and said he did not take one. I dont believe a word SI says, especially when they have said that they expect Woody Williams to sign with the Cards when he has already signed with houston. Trust me,if the deal doesnt go through its not because of Buchholz, its because of the Astros unwillingness to invovle Jason Hirsh in the deal, and rightfully so. An article on the Astros website and another website have said that the deal is not dead, just being reworked, and buchholz is involved, so he obviously isnt the problem.

Aordolin · 12-08-2006, 06:01 PM

i wouldnt compare Hirsch to Santana. Hirsch is a nice prospect but he is not a blue chipper.

Id make the deal if it was just Bucholz and Tavaras but it scares me about who will play CF. Ive heard way to much talk about Jason Lane that involves something more than warming Berkmans bat or cleaning the toliets int he clubhouse.

CommishJoe · 12-08-2006, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Astros33Resurrected

Pettite decided he will pitch next year...but with who???

He signed with the Yankees..

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseba...,4776384.story

12-05-2006, 07:48 PM	#42
nate7891 All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 553	just think if we would of hung onto those guys, and Johan and we had Schilling (when he was a prospect) at one point also. __________________ Keeping idiots in suspense. "If they blew up Wrigley tomorrow, it wouldn't bother me at all. That ivy is nasty, the infield grass is waist high, and they definitely have the most vulgar fans." -- Houston Astros outfielder Lance Berkman. Easiest job in Sports: Third Base Coach Job Requirements: Depth perception, and ability to do “the windmill”.

12-06-2006, 03:19 PM	#48
nate7891 All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 553	used to get.....their still anemic __________________ Keeping idiots in suspense. "If they blew up Wrigley tomorrow, it wouldn't bother me at all. That ivy is nasty, the infield grass is waist high, and they definitely have the most vulgar fans." -- Houston Astros outfielder Lance Berkman. Easiest job in Sports: Third Base Coach Job Requirements: Depth perception, and ability to do “the windmill”.

12-06-2006, 07:49 PM	#51
nate7891 All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 553	i see him going to the yanks if we cant get one more player to help out this team.(pitching wise) Our pitching and our offense arent good enough to be a contender. __________________ Keeping idiots in suspense. "If they blew up Wrigley tomorrow, it wouldn't bother me at all. That ivy is nasty, the infield grass is waist high, and they definitely have the most vulgar fans." -- Houston Astros outfielder Lance Berkman. Easiest job in Sports: Third Base Coach Job Requirements: Depth perception, and ability to do “the windmill”. Last edited by nate7891; 12-06-2006 at 07:50 PM.

12-07-2006, 12:36 PM	#54
nate7891 All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 553	'Stros are set to announce they've traded for Jon Garland. Willy Taveras and Taylor Buchholz are rumored to be part of the deal. In another story from Rosenthal, he said it would be willy t, buchholz AND Hirsh. But i cant possible see us giving up Hirsh also, and if that is the case then no deal. I hate to see willy t go. But Garland is needed in Houston. __________________ Keeping idiots in suspense. "If they blew up Wrigley tomorrow, it wouldn't bother me at all. That ivy is nasty, the infield grass is waist high, and they definitely have the most vulgar fans." -- Houston Astros outfielder Lance Berkman. Easiest job in Sports: Third Base Coach Job Requirements: Depth perception, and ability to do “the windmill”.

12-07-2006, 06:28 PM	#56
nate7891 All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 553	yeah,Houston wont trade Hirsh for anything short of Johan Santana __________________ Keeping idiots in suspense. "If they blew up Wrigley tomorrow, it wouldn't bother me at all. That ivy is nasty, the infield grass is waist high, and they definitely have the most vulgar fans." -- Houston Astros outfielder Lance Berkman. Easiest job in Sports: Third Base Coach Job Requirements: Depth perception, and ability to do “the windmill”.

12-06-2006, 08:54 AM	#44
Aordolin All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 586	Id be willing to part with Burke for Peavy depending on who the prospects were in the deal. I would not give up Burke for Jennings though. Peavy is a top of the rotation guy, Jennings is.. well hes better than wandy. I wouldnt mind having him if we had Petitte back too.

12-06-2006, 07:41 PM	#50
Astros33Resurrected Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Lufkin, TX Posts: 2,213	Pettite decided he will pitch next year...but with who???

12-06-2006, 09:31 PM	#53
Aordolin All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 586	Actually it was Kevin Brown and the Padres the Astros ran into that year not the Braves. Johnson was brillant for them. The Padres and Brown were just incrediably hot that year. Brown was just filthy during the late 90s.

12-07-2006, 06:40 PM	#57
mikev Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 4,014	According to this link, the deal for Garland is practically dead because Buchholz allegedly failed a physical. __________________ Global Unified Baseball Association - Vice Commish and Oakland Oaks GM

12-07-2006, 08:05 PM	#58
nate7891 All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 553	he didnt take a physical. Buchholz has already came out and said he did not take one. I dont believe a word SI says, especially when they have said that they expect Woody Williams to sign with the Cards when he has already signed with houston. Trust me,if the deal doesnt go through its not because of Buchholz, its because of the Astros unwillingness to invovle Jason Hirsh in the deal, and rightfully so. An article on the Astros website and another website have said that the deal is not dead, just being reworked, and buchholz is involved, so he obviously isnt the problem. __________________ Keeping idiots in suspense. "If they blew up Wrigley tomorrow, it wouldn't bother me at all. That ivy is nasty, the infield grass is waist high, and they definitely have the most vulgar fans." -- Houston Astros outfielder Lance Berkman. Easiest job in Sports: Third Base Coach Job Requirements: Depth perception, and ability to do “the windmill”. Last edited by nate7891; 12-07-2006 at 08:08 PM.

12-08-2006, 06:01 PM	#59
Aordolin All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 586	i wouldnt compare Hirsch to Santana. Hirsch is a nice prospect but he is not a blue chipper. Id make the deal if it was just Bucholz and Tavaras but it scares me about who will play CF. Ive heard way to much talk about Jason Lane that involves something more than warming Berkmans bat or cleaning the toliets int he clubhouse.