Ootp2007: Trade proposals - can we have the option...

[dim13]

For OOTP2007 when in the trade screen and making a trade proposal, can we have an option to turn on/off instant accepted/rejection for the offers:

When in the trade screen, instead of having to wait for a day or two to see if your trade offer is accepted or rejected, can you have it instant (like it was in Ootp6/Ootp65 and all prior versions) ? I don't like having to wait a day or two to see if my trade offers are accepted. When making trade proposals to other teams I really miss the instant trade accepted/rejection.

I know in the real baseball world it isn't like this, but could it it be an option in the game setup to turn on/off ? Thanks

[endgame]

Originally Posted by dim13

For OOTP2007 when in the trade screen and making a trade proposal, can we have an option to turn on/off instant accepted/rejection for the offers

I think your idea is a good one for those inclined to that style of play. It should be included. On the other hand, I'd be remiss if I didn't put in my in advocating that more trade proposals and offers take the long side of the 14 days instead of, predictably, getting an answer in a day or two.

[eriqjaffe]

Here's how I think it should work:

Offers that are immediately acceptable are, well, immediately acceptable. That would be like you were on the phone with the other GM discussing the trade. You can go back and forth - this is, to my way of thinking, the model in OOTP 6.

You should also be able to "submit" offers that aren't immediately acceptable. Perhaps the AI GM needs some time to mull an offer over, make a counter-offer, or get approval from the AI owner for a deal.

Essentially, incorporate both models, and perhaps it can be tweaked by a Immediate Feedback <-> Submit Proposals slider?

[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by dim13

For OOTP2007 when in the trade screen and making a trade proposal, can we have an option to turn on/off instant accepted/rejection for the offers:

When in the trade screen, instead of having to wait for a day or two to see if your trade offer is accepted or rejected, can you have it instant (like it was in Ootp6/Ootp65 and all prior versions) ? I don't like having to wait a day or two to see if my trade offers are accepted. When making trade proposals to other teams I really miss the instant trade accepted/rejection.

I know in the real baseball world it isn't like this, but could it it be an option in the game setup to turn on/off ? Thanks

I suppose I could go along with the option idea, but we have to watch how many miscellaneous options that we ask for that are going to be tedious and time-consuming during set up to find, set, and suffer the consequences when they don't work right or to our satisfaction.

Taking several days to approve a deal is realistic IMO. I like the way the game has it now, because it makes me look forward to trading deadline and winter meetings when trading is instantaneous and therefore more exciting.

What I miss is the AI making the counter-offer on screen; "What would it take to get this player of yours? Well, you would have to offer at least this and then I'd have to think about it." The answer could still be "no" when it arrives. This has more of the feel of an actual negotiation while preserving the realistic time frame of player trading.

[dim13]

In OOTP65 and previous versions. I could "shop" a player around by attempting trades with each team to find the best player(s) I could get in return - all before the next game being played. I would know exactly what I could get for a player.

I know it's not like this in baseball or any other sport, by it was my style of play and made the game fun for me - pondering over which trade to take for a player I was "shopping" around.

[dim13]

Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

I suppose I could go along with the option idea, but we have to watch how many miscellaneous options that we ask for that are going to be tedious and time-consuming during set up to find, set, and suffer the consequences when they don't work right or to our satisfaction.

One more option wouldn't make that much of a difference. It would add more flexibility/customization to the game for those with different styles of play. The option could be with the others for "Turn finance/salaries on/off", "show ratings" etc. It wouldn't really make the game more tedious and time-consuming, as the default could be set to the way it is in OOTP2006, and once set you wouldn't really bother with that option anymore.

[dim13]

Originally Posted by eriqjaffe

Here's how I think it should work:

Offers that are immediately acceptable are, well, immediately acceptable. That would be like you were on the phone with the other GM discussing the trade. You can go back and forth - this is, to my way of thinking, the model in OOTP 6.

You should also be able to "submit" offers that aren't immediately acceptable. Perhaps the AI GM needs some time to mull an offer over, make a counter-offer, or get approval from the AI owner for a deal.

Essentially, incorporate both models, and perhaps it can be tweaked by a Immediate Feedback <-> Submit Proposals slider?

This would be great and I would really like to have this.

[PSUColonel]

This is not needed

[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by dim13

One more option wouldn't make that much of a difference.

Yes, I suppose. Grumble.

I remember the shop around feature as well. That was pretty cool, and it has been discussed here before with other proposals to enhance the trading module in this game. battists started a thread a while back . . .

I think that what we are talking about is slated to be returned to the game in 2007, but don't quote me on that.

EDIT: When I went to look, I found two threads started by the maestro on the subject of improving player trading for 2007:

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=131852

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=131902

Of course, these were ideas and proposals, not promises.

[dim13]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

This is not needed

It might not be needed, but it would be great option to have. I'm sure I'm not the only one who misses the instant trade proposal acceptance/rejection from Ootp65 and previous versions.

[james17]

Originally Posted by dim13

It might not be needed, but it would be great option to have. I'm sure I'm not the only one who misses the instant trade proposal acceptance/rejection from Ootp65 and previous versions.

I agree that it would make a good option to have.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by dim13

It might not be needed, but it would be great option to have. I'm sure I'm not the only one who misses the instant trade proposal acceptance/rejection from Ootp65 and previous versions.

it just pains me to see so many people who just want the quick and easy way to do things, and want to see the game "dumbed" down. Markus did a great job in creating a much more lifelike GM experience, and let's remember being the GM of a baseball team IS the focus of OOTP. Now everyone wants to run in the other direction. I'm getting the feeling like the OOTP community is becoming the anti-FM crowd. If OOTP ever even approaches FM in depth you'd have the best baseball sim ever. There might be a steep learning curve, but hey that's to be expected. So often I just got the feeling that many grew so accustomed to the old OOTP that they got lazt when 2006 came out and did not want to do the work. 2006 is not perfect, but it will get better. But I guess the point of this rant is that I don't understand why there are so many who would rather go backwards than forward. The FM crowd was never like this, and as a result, you can see SI developed what is probably considered to be the best managerial sports sim on the market.

[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

it just pains me to see so many people who just want the quick and easy way to do things, and want to see the game "dumbed" down. Markus did a great job in creating a much more lifelike GM experience, and let's remember being the GM of a baseball team IS the focus of OOTP. Now everyone wants to run in the other direction. I'm getting the feeling like the OOTP community is becoming the anti-FM crowd. If OOTP ever even approaches FM in depth you'd have the best baseball sim ever. There might be a steep learning curve, but hey that's to be expected. So often I just got the feeling that many grew so accustomed to the old OOTP that they got lazt when 2006 came out and did not want to do the work. 2006 is not perfect, but it will get better. But I guess the point of this rant is that I don't understand why there are so many who would rather go backwards than forward. The FM crowd was never like this, and as a result, you can see SI developed what is probably considered to be the best managerial sports sim on the market.

I agree with your general point, despite occasional appearances to the contrary. I certainly don't want to see OOTPB dumbed down (hence my own ranting against some people advocating sound and animation; I consider those to be dumbing down the game, as if it needed audio-visual effects to be more interesting, but that's just my opinion). However, I don't think your point is applicable here because what dim13 is asking for, and what the rest of us have conceded as optional (as if we made the decisions ) is not simplifying the game other than providing (optional) instant trading gratification.

[zekester91]

But isn't this the age of cell phones, are you telling me that real GM's are making trades by snail mail, why is it dumbing down the game to get instant talking of trades. why are we forced to use an email system, why can't we pretend that the trading being done over the phone. I want to go forward to a time when GM's pick up the phone and will talk about trades now instead of having to wait till they bother to respond to my email.

[dim13]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

it just pains me to see so many people who just want the quick and easy way to do things, and want to see the game "dumbed" down.

For me it's just a playing style preference, and part of the charm that OOTP2006 is missing compared to previous versions. Due to my personal time constrants (job, wife, kids), I'm sorry to say my OOTP playing time is very limited, and for me (and I'm sure some others) the quicker way to do things in regards to trading is better than the more tedious and time consuming - when your playing time is limited.

[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by zekester91

But isn't this the age of cell phones, are you telling me that real GM's are making trades by snail mail, why is it dumbing down the game to get instant talking of trades. why are we forced to use an email system, why can't we pretend that the trading being done over the phone. I want to go forward to a time when GM's pick up the phone and will talk about trades now instead of having to wait till they bother to respond to my email.

Are you talking to me or the Colonel? I'm saying that dim13's idea is not dumbing the game down. If you read one of my previous posts, I said that I wanted trading to be more like negotiating ("What do you want for this player, etc."). I do think that teams normally take a few days to evaluate any deal, hence the delay. It's not due to snail mail (although the drawing up of legal paperwork could take some time too). Only at certain times, like trading deadline and winter meetings, is the process expedited, as in the game.

[zekester91]

I was actly refering to PSUColonel post, and his dumbing down the game, you just got inbetween, sorry.

[enuttage]

Longtime player no longer playing here that loves dim13's idea. He specified option, and I think that's what it should be.

It would be one of a smattering of things that would actually bring me back to the '07 version of the game, which will be the first since version 2 that I won't pre-order.

I actually find Mr. Jaffe's take the most realistic, and not the way the game is currently set up. I'm not a GM (nor are most - any? - of us), but presumably they all have cell phones that work most of the time.

I feel reasonably certain that there are deals that take twenty minutes on the phone, and deals that are tabled for months.

But until I work in a front office, I play for fun, and dim's idea would bring back some of the fun for those of us that can't dedicate time nightly. And it would leave the quasi-realism for those that can.

[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by zekester91

I was actly refering to PSUColonel post, and his dumbing down the game, you just got inbetween, sorry.

No problem. I happen to agree with him on what appears to be an important issue of his. Ease of play or some other playing style choice need not mean dumbing down the game, especially if what is being proposed is optional. If anything, in my mind, the option itself is making the game more complicated, but let's try to accommodate everyone as much as possible without compromising the overall quality of the game.

[dim13]

Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

If anything, in my mind, the option itself is making the game more complicated

How do you see that the option would make the game more complicated ? You probably wouldn't be changing the option once it's set. The default can be set to the way it is in now OOTP2006. It would just be an additional check-box either in league settings or in manager preferences.