The Boston Redsox Thread - Page 4

Lastplaneout · 10-31-2006, 08:55 PM

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Its an immeasurable force, sort of like karma. You cant prove its there, but if you experience it, you know its there.

We might have to agree to disagree on this one.

mh2365 · 10-31-2006, 08:57 PM

Gotta say that the Patriots are a prime example of Chemisty and Leadership beating out superior talent. No one will ever confuse Brady as the most talented QB in the league but he is a leader and captain in every since of the word.

QuestGAV · 10-31-2006, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

Gotta say that the Patriots are a prime example of Chemisty and Leadership beating out superior talent. No one will ever confuse Brady as the most talented QB in the league but he is a leader and captain in every since of the word.

No. The Patriots had superior talent, especially on the defensive side of the ball. It took them three championships to get that recognized on the national level though. Brady is a great leader, but his most important skill is quick recognition and reaction, not the warm and fuzzy feeling he gives other people.

Luis_Rivera · 10-31-2006, 09:08 PM

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No one will ever confuse Brady as the most talented QB in the league

Nah... just the second most talented.

TheCartel · 10-31-2006, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by QuestGAV

No. The Patriots had superior talent, especially on the defensive side of the ball. It took them three championships to get that recognized on the national level though. Brady is a great leader, but his most important skill is quick recognition and reaction, not the warm and fuzzy feeling he gives other people.

How does he take these schmuck receivers he has now and make them look like superstars? They were saying last night about Manning and Brady on MNF how the chemistry they build with these receivers in the off-season is how they are so locked in with each other.

TheCartel · 10-31-2006, 09:10 PM

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Nah... just the second most talented.

I actually think he is more talented then Manning. Look at the difference in weapons that they have....Huge discrepency in talent between the two casts.

QuestGAV · 10-31-2006, 09:11 PM

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How does he take these schmuck receivers he has now and make them look like superstars?

Because he has an amazing grasp of the mental side of being an NFL quarterback. It lets him see things on the field that lesser QBs don't and then has the physical tools to do something about it.

Luis_Rivera · 10-31-2006, 09:12 PM

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I actually think he is more talented then Manning. Look at the difference in weapons that they have....Huge discrepency in talent between the two casts.

And an even bigger descrepancy in (individual) results!

TheCartel · 10-31-2006, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by QuestGAV

Because he has an amazing grasp of the mental side of being an NFL quarterback. It lets him see things on the field that lesser QBs don't and then has the physical tools to do something about it.

The main difference I see between the two is how calm Brady is in the pocket, where as Manning is all over the place. They both have the same result, but Brady is far more calm. Go watch the difference in their feet, Manning gets really happy feet and gets nervous, (yet he still comes through), whereas Brady sits back like nobody is there and its just him and the receivers. Its a thing of beauty.

TheCartel · 10-31-2006, 09:15 PM

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And an even bigger descrepancy in (individual) results!

Well yeah, the Pats actually have a defense, Peyton is on the field all game in shootouts, Brady usually doesnt get into shootouts as offense, because there defense is better and he doesnt need to throw the ball.

And yes, there is a big difference in results, especially titles

QuestGAV · 10-31-2006, 09:22 PM

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The main difference I see between the two is how calm Brady is in the pocket, where as Manning is all over the place. They both have the same result, but Brady is far more calm. Go watch the difference in their feet, Manning gets really happy feet and gets nervous, (yet he still comes through), whereas Brady sits back like nobody is there and its just him and the receivers. Its a thing of beauty.

I agree (on Brady... I think you're too hard on Manning). But those are tangible skills for a QB. They show up in Brady's stats. If they showed up in Richard Seymour's sack totals, that'd be intangible.

Luis_Rivera · 10-31-2006, 09:27 PM

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And yes, there is a big difference in results, especially titles

Uh... did you not see where I put "individual" in there.

TOM BRADY DOES NOT WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS... THE PATRIOTS WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS.

TheCartel · 10-31-2006, 09:35 PM

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Uh... did you not see where I put "individual" in there.

TOM BRADY DOES NOT WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS... THE PATRIOTS WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS.

Agree to disagree there. I dont think abother QB would be able to do what he's done in that spot.

QuestGAV · 10-31-2006, 09:37 PM

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Agree to disagree there. I dont think abother QB would be able to do what he's done in that spot.

That may be true, but Tom Brady wouldn't have 3 rings if he played in Indianapolis either.

TheCartel · 10-31-2006, 09:59 PM

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That may be true, but Tom Brady wouldn't have 3 rings if he played in Indianapolis either.

I disagree, the difference between Brady and Peyton is Brady gets it done in the playoffs, and Peyton has his worst games in the playoffs.

QuestGAV · 10-31-2006, 10:01 PM

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I disagree, the difference between Brady and Peyton is Brady gets it done in the playoffs, and Peyton has his worst games in the playoffs.

I believe in intangibles. I think they have some influence. I do not think the difference is big enough to swing three Super Bowls in an entirely different direction.

Lastplaneout · 11-01-2006, 06:52 PM

I can't find a link to the article at the moment (I think a subscription is required), but it looks like Baseball America has named the Red Sox 2006 draft class the best in baseball.

Prospects mentioned are Bard, first baseman Lars Anderson, and Josh Papelbon.

I'll see what else I can dig up.

Joshv02 · 11-01-2006, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Lastplaneout

I can't find a link to the article at the moment (I think a subscription is required), but it looks like Baseball America has named the Red Sox 2006 draft class the best in baseball.

Prospects mentioned are Bard, first baseman Lars Anderson, and Josh Papelbon.

I'll see what else I can dig up.

The BA article is subscription only, like you mention. But, the Globe did a puff piece on that today: http://www.boston.com/sports/basebal...n_their_class/

thehatfield · 11-02-2006, 10:29 AM

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07:$7.5M club option ($1.5M buyout) or $3.75M player option

I was checking up on Foulke and it appears that he and the club have a mutual option for 2007. How does that work exactly? It looks like the Sox have a buyout but Foulke can stay for nearly $4 mil? So does one clause trump the other or could it possibly be whomever files first? What if Foulke agrees his player option the Sox can't then buy him out for an extra $1.5 mil can they?

Would you pick up his option?

Joshv02 · 11-02-2006, 10:42 AM

I'm pretty sure it works like this (this is how Gordan Edes has reported it, though not quite this clearly, if I say so myself), but this has been a source of debate:

FIRST, the RS decide to exercise the $7.5mm option or the $1.5mm buyout.

SECOND, if the RS say no to the $7.5mm option (thereby paying the buyout), Foulke decides whether or not to exercise the $3.75mm option.

In the end, the RS will likely decline the option. That $1.5mm becomes a sunk cost. Then, Foulke will decide if he can do better than 1/yr $3.75mm (or if there are other reasons to not resign). I don't think he can, so I think he'll come back for that $3.75mm.

11-02-2006, 10:42 AM	#80
Joshv02 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: , " Posts: 3,082	I'm pretty sure it works like this (this is how Gordan Edes has reported it, though not quite this clearly, if I say so myself), but this has been a source of debate: FIRST, the RS decide to exercise the $7.5mm option or the $1.5mm buyout. SECOND, if the RS say no to the $7.5mm option (thereby paying the buyout), Foulke decides whether or not to exercise the $3.75mm option. In the end, the RS will likely decline the option. That $1.5mm becomes a sunk cost. Then, Foulke will decide if he can do better than 1/yr $3.75mm (or if there are other reasons to not resign). I don't think he can, so I think he'll come back for that $3.75mm. __________________ Brookline Maccabees. RIP

10-31-2006, 08:57 PM	#62
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Gotta say that the Patriots are a prime example of Chemisty and Leadership beating out superior talent. No one will ever confuse Brady as the most talented QB in the league but he is a leader and captain in every since of the word.