Time Warp HOF Ballot 1971 - Page 3

jdw · 10-30-2006, 03:19 PM

knightni,

Are you sure that you're not voting for this guy:

Charlton "Pap" Brown

I tend to think anyone affiliated with the A's who would fail to vote for him would be taken out an shot by the former A's GM and A's Fans.

John

"How many more Batter of the Year awards
do I need to win and home runs do I need
to hit to get some respect around here!"
-Four Time BOY Winner,
Hitter of 475 Career HR's
and the Single Season
HR Record Holder
Charlton "Pap" Brown

knightni · 10-30-2006, 05:26 PM

Fine.

Charlton Brown

jdw · 10-30-2006, 05:43 PM

I don't mean to pressure you and was largely doing my typical joking around.

I thought you might have just forgotten him. But if you don't think he's worthy of being in the Hall, then you shouldn't vote for him. We all have picks that others don't agree with.

John

canadiancreed · 10-30-2006, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdw

I don't mean to pressure you and was largely doing my typical joking around.

I thought you might have just forgotten him. But if you don't think he's worthy of being in the Hall, then you shouldn't vote for him. We all have picks that others don't agree with.

John

I know that applies for me

jdw · 10-30-2006, 06:35 PM

No doubt, Chris. Like voting for Tito Jr. and Bud while not voting for Luther and Misisca. :P

I had talked about doing some "advocacy" pieces to add when the ballots were rolled out that people could read for pro/con on various candidates. I think the tag team match of Luther & Mo vs. Tito & Bud would have made for a good piece.

John

fvamos · 10-30-2006, 08:24 PM

Sorry been swamped at work:

Arsenault
Nunez
Arrendale
Brown
Degal
Hans
Perry
Gwaltney
Cook : one of the first african-african american players and served atthe top of the order of some of the most prolific offenses of the 50's. Homer vote but him being on base some how bothered pitchers or brought out the best in the hitters behind him

Thanks for keeping it open, god I miss this stuff

canadiancreed · 10-30-2006, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdw

No doubt, Chris. Like voting for Tito Jr. and Bud while not voting for Luther and Misisca. :P

I had talked about doing some "advocacy" pieces to add when the ballots were rolled out that people could read for pro/con on various candidates. I think the tag team match of Luther & Mo vs. Tito & Bud would have made for a good piece.

John

something to remember on some down time.

jdw · 11-02-2006, 01:05 PM

Five players elected to the Hall of Fame, all first timers and four of them unanimous.

Code:


Charlton Brown		100.0%
Hans Habermehl		100.0%
John Degal		100.0%
Martin Gwaltney		100.0%
Adam Sardina		 93.8%
Lonny Arrendale		 68.8%
Al Arsenault		 56.3%
Luther Ormiston		 56.3%
William Perry		 56.3%
Lex Tjeenk-Willink	 56.3%
Rudel Dietrich		 43.8%
Maurice Misisca		 25.0%
Genarito Nunez		 25.0%
Hank Makris		 18.8%
Corky Stell		 18.8%
Wilford Woodworth	 18.8%
Howard Ayers		 12.5%
Ben Cook		  6.3%
Bobby Johnson		  6.3%
Bud Ulrich		  6.3%
Biff Betters		  0.0%
Ben Giordano		  0.0%

The following players did not receive 5% of the vote and fell off the ballot. The year they become eligible for the VC is listed in parenthesis:

Ben Giordano (1982)
Biff Betters (1984)

The following players were in their last year of eligibility and move to the VC:

Al Arsenault
Maurice Misisca

Matt from TN · 11-05-2006, 08:15 PM

misisca
ormiston
arrendale
johnson
lex

brown
degal
habermehl
gwaltney
sardina

jdw · 11-06-2006, 01:03 PM

Matt's voted factored into vote. Only change being the Johnson comes back next year.

John

canadiancreed · 11-07-2006, 01:22 AM

Quote:

Biff Betters (1984)

jdw · 11-08-2006, 08:43 PM

Biff's been lucky to survive this long, largely through your vote. But it's hard to argue for him when this guy got less than 50% of the vote:

.292/.355/.395/.751 Biff
.313/.385/.473/.858 Dietrich

They played about the same number of games, but Rudel has 650 extra AB, 340 more hits, 20 more 2B's, 57 more 3B, 115 more HR's, 222 more BB's, 297 more Runs and 243 more RBI. Those are big gaps.

Sure, Biff was a catcher. But Rudel was a CF.

Biff doesn't really have a chance with the Vet Committee. He just wasn't a "great" player, or even an excellent one for a lot of years. He really was just a role player. :/

John

11-02-2006, 01:05 PM	#48
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	Five players elected to the Hall of Fame, all first timers and four of them unanimous. Code: Charlton Brown 100.0% Hans Habermehl 100.0% John Degal 100.0% Martin Gwaltney 100.0% Adam Sardina 93.8% Lonny Arrendale 68.8% Al Arsenault 56.3% Luther Ormiston 56.3% William Perry 56.3% Lex Tjeenk-Willink 56.3% Rudel Dietrich 43.8% Maurice Misisca 25.0% Genarito Nunez 25.0% Hank Makris 18.8% Corky Stell 18.8% Wilford Woodworth 18.8% Howard Ayers 12.5% Ben Cook 6.3% Bobby Johnson 6.3% Bud Ulrich 6.3% Biff Betters 0.0% Ben Giordano 0.0% The following players did not receive 5% of the vote and fell off the ballot. The year they become eligible for the VC is listed in parenthesis: Ben Giordano (1982) Biff Betters (1984) The following players were in their last year of eligibility and move to the VC: Al Arsenault Maurice Misisca Last edited by jdw; 11-06-2006 at 01:03 PM. Reason: edited to include Matt's vote

11-05-2006, 08:15 PM	#49
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	misisca ormiston arrendale johnson lex brown degal habermehl gwaltney sardina __________________ Set in Stone... Players Remain with Original Franchise

10-30-2006, 03:19 PM	#41
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	knightni, Are you sure that you're not voting for this guy: Charlton "Pap" Brown I tend to think anyone affiliated with the A's who would fail to vote for him would be taken out an shot by the former A's GM and A's Fans. John "How many more Batter of the Year awards do I need to win and home runs do I need to hit to get some respect around here!" -Four Time BOY Winner, Hitter of 475 Career HR's and the Single Season HR Record Holder Charlton "Pap" Brown

10-30-2006, 05:26 PM	#42
knightni Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 80	Fine. Charlton Brown

10-30-2006, 05:43 PM	#43
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	I don't mean to pressure you and was largely doing my typical joking around. I thought you might have just forgotten him. But if you don't think he's worthy of being in the Hall, then you shouldn't vote for him. We all have picks that others don't agree with. John

10-30-2006, 06:35 PM	#45
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	No doubt, Chris. Like voting for Tito Jr. and Bud while not voting for Luther and Misisca. :P I had talked about doing some "advocacy" pieces to add when the ballots were rolled out that people could read for pro/con on various candidates. I think the tag team match of Luther & Mo vs. Tito & Bud would have made for a good piece. John

10-30-2006, 08:24 PM	#46
fvamos Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 75	Sorry been swamped at work: Arsenault Nunez Arrendale Brown Degal Hans Perry Gwaltney Cook : one of the first african-african american players and served atthe top of the order of some of the most prolific offenses of the 50's. Homer vote but him being on base some how bothered pitchers or brought out the best in the hitters behind him Thanks for keeping it open, god I miss this stuff

11-06-2006, 01:03 PM	#50
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	Matt's voted factored into vote. Only change being the Johnson comes back next year. John

11-08-2006, 08:43 PM	#52
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	Biff's been lucky to survive this long, largely through your vote. But it's hard to argue for him when this guy got less than 50% of the vote: .292/.355/.395/.751 Biff .313/.385/.473/.858 Dietrich They played about the same number of games, but Rudel has 650 extra AB, 340 more hits, 20 more 2B's, 57 more 3B, 115 more HR's, 222 more BB's, 297 more Runs and 243 more RBI. Those are big gaps. Sure, Biff was a catcher. But Rudel was a CF. Biff doesn't really have a chance with the Vet Committee. He just wasn't a "great" player, or even an excellent one for a lot of years. He really was just a role player. :/ John