Players not showing up on roster.....

axp113 · 09-11-2006, 09:45 PM

i have a few players who are listed in the league on my minor league squad who are 100% on my team but i cant find them on any of my rosters (ML,AAA,AA,A,rookie...). the only way i can find him is if i search for his name in the game.

for example:
CL Troche
http://www.invitationonlysports.com/...ayer_3531.html

he is listed as a player and is on my team but when i click on my team he is nowhere to be found.

http://www.invitationonlysports.com/...ster_page.html

any ideas?

Zeyes · 09-12-2006, 02:23 AM

Are they sitting on the team's DFA list?

rcbuss · 09-12-2006, 06:19 AM

I'm in the same league and can confirm this.

The players are not on the DFA list, either.

Chris Johnson · 09-12-2006, 10:02 AM

Yes, for some reason the players are in the game, show up when you look at the player lists as being assigned to a team, but when you go to the team rosters, they just aren't anywhere listed on the team.

Chris Johnson · 09-12-2006, 10:15 AM

Just an FYI, but we had waivers off when the league file was created. Waivers are on now, but reading through the previous bug reports, it doesn't seem that this problem was fixed.

battists · 10-22-2006, 10:11 PM

I apologize for the long delay in responding to this.

I'm fairly certain your issues have to due with the changes in waiver settings. However, so much time has passed since you posted this, can you give me an update? Were you ever able to get around this issue?

Thanks!

Steve

Curtis · 10-23-2006, 05:31 AM

I recently ran into this in connection with a separate bug. I was having problems with not being able to offer contracts to free agents, some of whom were being signed by other teams. Eventually I decided that if the AI could cheat, I could too, so I went in as commissioner and assigned maybe fifteen free agents to my IL club.

These promptly became phantom players. They showed up in the roster page only when set to 'all players in organization'. My IL roster showed full at 28 players, but there was actually well over forty designated as IL level. The way I finally (just tonight) regained control of them was to right-click on them on that page and assign them to the AAA affiliate. Once there they miraculously reappeared, and I could do whatever I wanted with them, including moving a couple back to the IL club, where they remained visible.

f.montoya · 10-23-2006, 07:40 AM

Steve, I can confirm and have reproduced this. There seems to be a team "Limbo" area for some reason.

rasnell · 10-23-2006, 08:04 AM

I can also confirm the problem. The workaround is to go to your transactions menu, select the Action button in the lower right and ask the AI to set up your entire organization.

It's harsh because it overrides anything that you've ever done, but it will place all the players where they need to be.

Depending on your settings, you might not even have the option to see or display the DFA list, too, by the way.

battists · 10-23-2006, 08:22 PM

Alright, since we're hot on the trail of this bug, can anyone come up with precise steps to set up a league and get to a situation where players are "invisible"?

If we can come up with a series of steps that causes the problem every time, it will be much easier to nail this bug.

f.montoya · 10-24-2006, 12:55 AM

Steve, most any setup will randomly do this when trading players. In an online league, you can get it do do it everytime. A league member can simply offer a trade to an AI team and export. If the AI team accepts, the league member can simply confirm the trade and export. In the commissioner's game after importing teams, players involved in that trade will be in limboland.

Also, in commish mode, simply editing a player's team in his profile page will throw him into limboland.

I'm not sure, but it could be related to the fact that there is no "true" "Designated for Assignment" as the current game treats it as one in the same with "Waivers"(which is another bug).

rasnell · 10-24-2006, 06:12 AM

The problem occurs with any league that I've ever played in solo. I'm not sure it has to do with having the Rule 5 draft off or the way waivers are set, but I have no option to display DFA in my leagues so that's why the players are invisible.

I don't know if this is the solution, but traded players should go to the reserve roster automatically if you do not have the DFA option. Or the DFA option should be made available even if all those settings are off.

I don't know if that helps.

Curtis · 10-24-2006, 07:06 AM

I just had a completely different experience of the same thing (deja new?)

I've run into some problems with my Oriental universe (I'll post those separately), and I couldn't figure out how to add players to my 28 man roster for spring training. Then a guy added himself (I think). Anyway, now I have 29 guys on my roster, which reads '29 of 40'. Finally I decided to hit the 'let the computer plan your life for you' button. (I'm now married with three kids, but that's a different story.) The results were dramatic.

My parent club went from 29 to 39 players, AAA dropped from 28 to 25, AA from 27 to 7, and my secondary roster from 45 to 39, all of whom were now on the parent club. I thought this was pretty neat, until I realized that the numbers didn't add up. My first thought was that 13 players had been released, and I was going to have to hunt for replacements. Then I remembered the phantom players. They didn't show up on my depth chart, the pitching page, the lineup page, or the transactions page, but there they were on the roster page. You couldn't see them if you just looked for a particular team, but if you hit the button for 'entire organization', there they were. All on the parent club, and none of them available for use. It was almost as if they were on the disbled list. They're there, but you can't use them.

I'll try tranferring them back to the minors tomorrow, but that was enough to make me quit for today.

sporr · 10-24-2006, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by f.montoya

Also, in commish mode, simply editing a player's team in his profile page will throw him into limboland.

This is exactly when I've seen it. You can still get the players to appear with the right-click Transaction options, but they aren't viewable anywhere on the team other than showing Entire Organization from the roster menu.

axp113 · 10-24-2006, 10:54 AM

this is not a waiver issue. there were 15-20 players on each team that were missing if you listed the entire organization from your TEAM menu.

the only way you saw those missing players was if you went to the LEAGUE->TRANSACTIONS-> SHOW ALL PLAYERS menu and displayed the entire list of players in the league. only then the missing players would show up.

this only happened for the minor league players

Goodsox · 10-24-2006, 12:25 PM

battists,

I was just able to reproduce this on accident

I do not have DFA on in one of my leagues or a reserve roster. I traded for a player and now he is in limbo as described above. It definitely seems like there is a couple of ways for this to happen.

battists · 10-24-2006, 09:44 PM

OK, I have logged this as TT # 84. We'll make sure we bang away at this issue.

Thanks very much.

Steve

Curtis · 10-25-2006, 01:14 AM

What I hope will be my last word on this subject —

f.montoya is right about it happening every time I edit a player's team on his profile page. My latest event (mentioned above) turned out to be a false alarm. The players hadn't 'gone phantom'; the AI had placed them all on waivers. They were listed there and in DFA. I was able to rescue five of them, but for some reason the other eight are committed to passing through waivers, even though only one is listed as 'irrevocable'.

09-11-2006, 09:45 PM	#1
axp113 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 56	Players not showing up on roster..... i have a few players who are listed in the league on my minor league squad who are 100% on my team but i cant find them on any of my rosters (ML,AAA,AA,A,rookie...). the only way i can find him is if i search for his name in the game. for example: CL Troche http://www.invitationonlysports.com/...ayer_3531.html he is listed as a player and is on my team but when i click on my team he is nowhere to be found. http://www.invitationonlysports.com/...ster_page.html any ideas? __________________ IOSBL - Philadelphia Rebels

09-12-2006, 06:19 AM	#3
rcbuss Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Mauston, WI Posts: 226	I'm in the same league and can confirm this. The players are not on the DFA list, either. __________________ Robert C Buss FOBL Mauston Mad Cows

09-12-2006, 10:02 AM	#4
Chris Johnson Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 360	Yes, for some reason the players are in the game, show up when you look at the player lists as being assigned to a team, but when you go to the team rosters, they just aren't anywhere listed on the team. __________________ IOSBL - Commissioner & Jacksonville Sharks TLB - Los Angeles Dodgers APBL - Tampa Bay Devil Rays

09-12-2006, 10:15 AM	#5
Chris Johnson Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 360	Just an FYI, but we had waivers off when the league file was created. Waivers are on now, but reading through the previous bug reports, it doesn't seem that this problem was fixed. __________________ IOSBL - Commissioner & Jacksonville Sharks TLB - Los Angeles Dodgers APBL - Tampa Bay Devil Rays

10-23-2006, 07:40 AM	#8
f.montoya Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,077	Steve, I can confirm and have reproduced this. There seems to be a team "Limbo" area for some reason. __________________ Fidel Montoya Asahi2 Baseball League ex-Commissioner(Historical League Since 2004) Ex-Web Host Current Mod Maker??

09-12-2006, 02:23 AM	#2
Zeyes All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 818	Are they sitting on the team's DFA list?

10-22-2006, 10:11 PM	#6
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506	I apologize for the long delay in responding to this. I'm fairly certain your issues have to due with the changes in waiver settings. However, so much time has passed since you posted this, can you give me an update? Were you ever able to get around this issue? Thanks! Steve

10-23-2006, 05:31 AM	#7
Curtis Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Watertown, New York Posts: 4,567	I recently ran into this in connection with a separate bug. I was having problems with not being able to offer contracts to free agents, some of whom were being signed by other teams. Eventually I decided that if the AI could cheat, I could too, so I went in as commissioner and assigned maybe fifteen free agents to my IL club. These promptly became phantom players. They showed up in the roster page only when set to 'all players in organization'. My IL roster showed full at 28 players, but there was actually well over forty designated as IL level. The way I finally (just tonight) regained control of them was to right-click on them on that page and assign them to the AAA affiliate. Once there they miraculously reappeared, and I could do whatever I wanted with them, including moving a couple back to the IL club, where they remained visible.

10-23-2006, 08:04 AM	#9
rasnell Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Frankfort, Kentucky Posts: 3,746	I can also confirm the problem. The workaround is to go to your transactions menu, select the Action button in the lower right and ask the AI to set up your entire organization. It's harsh because it overrides anything that you've ever done, but it will place all the players where they need to be. Depending on your settings, you might not even have the option to see or display the DFA list, too, by the way.

10-23-2006, 08:22 PM	#10
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506	Alright, since we're hot on the trail of this bug, can anyone come up with precise steps to set up a league and get to a situation where players are "invisible"? If we can come up with a series of steps that causes the problem every time, it will be much easier to nail this bug.

10-24-2006, 12:55 AM	#11
f.montoya Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,077	Steve, most any setup will randomly do this when trading players. In an online league, you can get it do do it everytime. A league member can simply offer a trade to an AI team and export. If the AI team accepts, the league member can simply confirm the trade and export. In the commissioner's game after importing teams, players involved in that trade will be in limboland. Also, in commish mode, simply editing a player's team in his profile page will throw him into limboland. I'm not sure, but it could be related to the fact that there is no "true" "Designated for Assignment" as the current game treats it as one in the same with "Waivers"(which is another bug). __________________ Fidel Montoya Asahi2 Baseball League ex-Commissioner(Historical League Since 2004) Ex-Web Host Current Mod Maker?? Last edited by f.montoya; 10-24-2006 at 12:58 AM.

10-24-2006, 06:12 AM	#12
rasnell Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Frankfort, Kentucky Posts: 3,746	The problem occurs with any league that I've ever played in solo. I'm not sure it has to do with having the Rule 5 draft off or the way waivers are set, but I have no option to display DFA in my leagues so that's why the players are invisible. I don't know if this is the solution, but traded players should go to the reserve roster automatically if you do not have the DFA option. Or the DFA option should be made available even if all those settings are off. I don't know if that helps. Last edited by rasnell; 10-24-2006 at 06:19 AM.

10-24-2006, 07:06 AM	#13
Curtis Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Watertown, New York Posts: 4,567	I just had a completely different experience of the same thing (deja new?) I've run into some problems with my Oriental universe (I'll post those separately), and I couldn't figure out how to add players to my 28 man roster for spring training. Then a guy added himself (I think). Anyway, now I have 29 guys on my roster, which reads '29 of 40'. Finally I decided to hit the 'let the computer plan your life for you' button. (I'm now married with three kids, but that's a different story.) The results were dramatic. My parent club went from 29 to 39 players, AAA dropped from 28 to 25, AA from 27 to 7, and my secondary roster from 45 to 39, all of whom were now on the parent club. I thought this was pretty neat, until I realized that the numbers didn't add up. My first thought was that 13 players had been released, and I was going to have to hunt for replacements. Then I remembered the phantom players. They didn't show up on my depth chart, the pitching page, the lineup page, or the transactions page, but there they were on the roster page. You couldn't see them if you just looked for a particular team, but if you hit the button for 'entire organization', there they were. All on the parent club, and none of them available for use. It was almost as if they were on the disbled list. They're there, but you can't use them. I'll try tranferring them back to the minors tomorrow, but that was enough to make me quit for today.

10-24-2006, 10:54 AM	#15
axp113 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 56	this is not a waiver issue. there were 15-20 players on each team that were missing if you listed the entire organization from your TEAM menu. the only way you saw those missing players was if you went to the LEAGUE->TRANSACTIONS-> SHOW ALL PLAYERS menu and displayed the entire list of players in the league. only then the missing players would show up. this only happened for the minor league players __________________ IOSBL - Philadelphia Rebels

10-24-2006, 12:25 PM	#16
Goodsox Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,866	battists, I was just able to reproduce this on accident I do not have DFA on in one of my leagues or a reserve roster. I traded for a player and now he is in limbo as described above. It definitely seems like there is a couple of ways for this to happen. __________________ GoodSox Go White Sox!

10-24-2006, 09:44 PM	#17
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506	OK, I have logged this as TT # 84. We'll make sure we bang away at this issue. Thanks very much. Steve

10-25-2006, 01:14 AM	#18
Curtis Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Watertown, New York Posts: 4,567	What I hope will be my last word on this subject — f.montoya is right about it happening every time I edit a player's team on his profile page. My latest event (mentioned above) turned out to be a false alarm. The players hadn't 'gone phantom'; the AI had placed them all on waivers. They were listed there and in DFA. I was able to rescue five of them, but for some reason the other eight are committed to passing through waivers, even though only one is listed as 'irrevocable'.