Markus...

dsblcommish · 01-24-2002, 02:50 AM

Hey Markus, first of all, many praises to you and all your hard work.

Ok, can you give me any idea on how to go about teaching myself Visual C++ ?

I've seen there is a program called Microsoft Visual C++, is this the same thing? And do I have to buy it?

Any help would be greatly appreciated...

Scott Vibert · 01-24-2002, 03:29 AM

I'm not Markus, but I can answer some of these:

C++ is the programming language, Microsoft Visual C++ is a program with the compiler for the language among other items (designed to allow you to program Microsoft Windows applications fairly easily) and yes you have to buy it (Amazon has it at about $100.00).

In general learning your first computer language is the hardest one, then it becomes much easier and you become able to teach yourself any (almost any) other languages using a book or tutorial. Assuming you have some experience just search on the net for Visual C++ tutorials and message boards these can be of great help.

If you haven't learned any languages yet or just want to mess around and see what you can do, I would look for a free compiler, you have to do some digging but you can find them, this will give you something to mess around on, without an outlay of money being involved. Then if you feel comfortable or enjoy the programming or need advanced capabilities (most free compilers are pretty bare bones) then worry about possibly picking something up. (If you are a student look into taking a programming language, many high schools have at least one programming class and almost any college has many, if its your first language, I'd recommend C which will facilitate your move to C++, although any language will teach you the basic principles of programming).

You can find some free C++ compilers here:
<a href="http://www.cprogramming.com/compilers.html" target="_blank">http://www.cprogramming.com/compilers.html</a>

The site also has several tutorials and I've used the board when I got stuck on things in the past.

Hope this helps, good luck.

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now you'll have to surf between both your threads trying find out the information you wanted
rather than looking for it in one easy to find space. (You could have edited your
original posts title to get Markus's attention if you so desired)
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dsblcommish · 01-24-2002, 05:46 AM

Thanks Scott, and the only language that I know right now is HTML. I taught myself that but I need to learn Visual C++ because I have some big plans

I'll check out that website and see what I can get, thanks again.

Brian · 01-24-2002, 08:11 AM

You'll find c++ a fairly simple language to learn. There is or at least use to be a ton of stuff avalible to help you learn it. I'm currently working in c++ or my programs I write. I just write programs on the side now. Good luck!!

Brian

dsblcommish · 01-24-2002, 10:36 AM

What kinda stuff do you do Brian? I am really interested in programming games, etc...like RPG games, sports games (like OOTP)..It will be a while, but that's what I want to get to do...

I just started messing with Visual C++ today and I am totally lost

Do you use Microsoft Visual Basic?

I'm just using a free one I found on the net,
Dev-C++, ever heard of it?

hellfrozeover · 01-24-2002, 12:06 PM

C++ is fairly straight forward once you get used to it.

You don't need to have too much of a programming background to learn it. If you've ever done javascript, it's a little similar to that with all the lines ending in semicolons. I never learned C, but I started with HTML, Javascript, Basic, and C++.

Brian · 01-24-2002, 01:06 PM

I use borland c++ v4.5 to write my programs. I actually have a degree in computer science but choose to do the actuall pc work(ie build, diagnose, etc). I've written little stuff like tic tac to game, and stupid stuff like that. Right now I'm doing a scouting report program for an FPS league I'm in. The commish does not let the file be avalible due to bbedit and possible cheating. So he asked me if I'd write a program so he could enter the data in and it would generate scouting reports. I told him sure as I feel it will help me get back into programing and give me the experience. I hope to write lots of little stuff and make it avalible to sample. Programming drives me nuts though because when I start a program and really get going I don't sleep much as the code just races through my head all night. Actually that is how I fix and figure out a lot of my code is when I sleep. Once you get going I think you will enjoy itm start off with little stuff like a program where you have the user enter name and then program come back and say "Hi...So and so!". Then add code to do a little more then you should start to understand it more and what each line can do for you. I plan on working on figuring out how to get graphical interfaces and stuff into my programs. I took a 4-5yr break from programming after college so I'm just really getting back into it. Good luck and if you need help my email is bda300@attbi.com or aim mrdagr81, take it easy.

Brian

dsblcommish · 01-24-2002, 01:17 PM

Thanks guys, I appreciate the encouragement and I am really looking forward to getting started programming...

Peterk · 01-24-2002, 03:06 PM

Since you're just starting out, if there's no specific reason to use C++, you might want to give Java a try. It's probably a little easier to learn for a newbie (ie. less ways to make a really bad mistake) and the development tools are wonderful and pretty much all 100% free.

dsblcommish · 01-24-2002, 03:26 PM

I just wanted to get into C++ so I could learn to program those in-depth games...

Killebrew · 01-24-2002, 03:35 PM

I would just say the more you know, the more you know you don't know. Not too hard to learn but I wouldn't say coding in C/C++ is easy, if it was it would be a lot harder finding work in that field

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dsblcommish · 01-24-2002, 04:19 PM

Well, I just started looking over it today and everything looks like greek to me..

Man, HTML was so much easier to learn

Draft Dodger · 01-24-2002, 04:29 PM

stick with it.
my C is rusty (I REALLY need to get back in the swing).
it seems like a lot at first, but you'll start getting a good grip on it before you know it.

dsblcommish · 01-24-2002, 04:39 PM

Yeah, I will keep plugging away.

I am planning on going to an art school in Orlando, FL (Winter Park actually) in the fall to get a degree in game design/computer animation...

C++ will be a huge part of that, so I really want to get a head start...

Have any of you guys made any really nice games?

dsblcommish · 01-24-2002, 04:40 PM

BTW, I got Microsoft's Visual C++ 6 for free

Peterk · 01-24-2002, 06:15 PM

> Have any of you guys made any really nice games?

I'm the original programmer of Faceoff Hockey...

Cheeck out <a href="http://www.land-sports.com" target="_blank">www.land-sports.com</a> if you like hockey. I've been out of it for a number of years though and have no idea what's become of my baby.

dsblcommish · 01-24-2002, 07:36 PM

I'll check it out, thanks...

Ryan W. · 01-25-2002, 03:26 AM

[quote]Originally posted by Peterk:
> Have any of you guys made any really nice games?

I'm the original programmer of Faceoff Hockey...

Cheeck out <a href="http://www.land-sports.com" target="_blank">www.land-sports.com</a> if you like hockey. I've been out of it for a number of years though and have no idea what's become of my baby.<hr></blockquote>

Hey Pete,

As one of the new developers of Faceoff!, I can tell you that it is still alive and kicking. We are using Borland C++ Builder right now for the development software, but previous versions used M$ Visual C++.

Ryan

hellfrozeover · 01-25-2002, 02:17 PM

[quote]Originally posted by dsblcommish:
BTW, I got Microsoft's Visual C++ 6 for free

<hr></blockquote>

I also did, although I made a copy of it from a friend. Nobody tell Microsoft or the feds. OKAY?

I'm currently studying for a computer science degree, so getting it for free was a lifesaver. Good luck.

dsblcommish · 01-25-2002, 08:43 PM

You're telling me, I'll be studying game desing in the fall..it will really help me.

01-24-2002, 02:50 AM	#1
dsblcommish Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Alabama Posts: 38	Markus... Hey Markus, first of all, many praises to you and all your hard work. Ok, can you give me any idea on how to go about teaching myself Visual C++ ? I've seen there is a program called Microsoft Visual C++, is this the same thing? And do I have to buy it? Any help would be greatly appreciated... __________________ Matt Carlisle DSBL Commish <a href="http://www.thedsbl.com" target="_blank">http://www.thedsbl.com</a>

01-24-2002, 03:29 AM	#2
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,259	I'm not Markus, but I can answer some of these: C++ is the programming language, Microsoft Visual C++ is a program with the compiler for the language among other items (designed to allow you to program Microsoft Windows applications fairly easily) and yes you have to buy it (Amazon has it at about $100.00). In general learning your first computer language is the hardest one, then it becomes much easier and you become able to teach yourself any (almost any) other languages using a book or tutorial. Assuming you have some experience just search on the net for Visual C++ tutorials and message boards these can be of great help. If you haven't learned any languages yet or just want to mess around and see what you can do, I would look for a free compiler, you have to do some digging but you can find them, this will give you something to mess around on, without an outlay of money being involved. Then if you feel comfortable or enjoy the programming or need advanced capabilities (most free compilers are pretty bare bones) then worry about possibly picking something up. (If you are a student look into taking a programming language, many high schools have at least one programming class and almost any college has many, if its your first language, I'd recommend C which will facilitate your move to C++, although any language will teach you the basic principles of programming). You can find some free C++ compilers here: <a href="http://www.cprogramming.com/compilers.html" target="_blank">http://www.cprogramming.com/compilers.html</a> The site also has several tutorials and I've used the board when I got stuck on things in the past. Hope this helps, good luck. [code] In the future you might want to only post this once (instead of every 4 hours ), now you'll have to surf between both your threads trying find out the information you wanted rather than looking for it in one easy to find space. (You could have edited your original posts title to get Markus's attention if you so desired) </pre><hr></blockquote> [ January 24, 2002: Message edited by: ScottVib ]</p>

01-24-2002, 05:46 AM	#3
dsblcommish Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Alabama Posts: 38	Thanks Scott, and the only language that I know right now is HTML. I taught myself that but I need to learn Visual C++ because I have some big plans I'll check out that website and see what I can get, thanks again. __________________ Matt Carlisle DSBL Commish <a href="http://www.thedsbl.com" target="_blank">http://www.thedsbl.com</a>

01-24-2002, 08:11 AM	#4
Brian Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Indiana Posts: 103	You'll find c++ a fairly simple language to learn. There is or at least use to be a ton of stuff avalible to help you learn it. I'm currently working in c++ or my programs I write. I just write programs on the side now. Good luck!! Brian __________________ MLML Dodgers LOHO Dodgers

01-24-2002, 10:36 AM	#5
dsblcommish Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Alabama Posts: 38	What kinda stuff do you do Brian? I am really interested in programming games, etc...like RPG games, sports games (like OOTP)..It will be a while, but that's what I want to get to do... I just started messing with Visual C++ today and I am totally lost Do you use Microsoft Visual Basic? I'm just using a free one I found on the net, Dev-C++, ever heard of it? __________________ Matt Carlisle DSBL Commish <a href="http://www.thedsbl.com" target="_blank">http://www.thedsbl.com</a>

01-24-2002, 12:06 PM	#6
hellfrozeover All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,130	C++ is fairly straight forward once you get used to it. You don't need to have too much of a programming background to learn it. If you've ever done javascript, it's a little similar to that with all the lines ending in semicolons. I never learned C, but I started with HTML, Javascript, Basic, and C++. __________________ FBA Chicago Syndicate Former Owner: WBL Minnesota Twins 2004 - 2007 AL Central Division Champs OOL Chicago Whales 2006, 2009 UL East Champs; 2006, 2009 United League Champs IBA Lehigh Valley Diamonds 2006 Governor's Cup Champions VSLB New York Yankees 2001, 2002 AL East Division Champs ILBL Commissioner/Chicago Cubs 2002 NL Central Division Champs; 2002 National League Champs ASBL New York Yankees 2006 AL East Division Champs

01-24-2002, 01:06 PM	#7
Brian Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Indiana Posts: 103	I use borland c++ v4.5 to write my programs. I actually have a degree in computer science but choose to do the actuall pc work(ie build, diagnose, etc). I've written little stuff like tic tac to game, and stupid stuff like that. Right now I'm doing a scouting report program for an FPS league I'm in. The commish does not let the file be avalible due to bbedit and possible cheating. So he asked me if I'd write a program so he could enter the data in and it would generate scouting reports. I told him sure as I feel it will help me get back into programing and give me the experience. I hope to write lots of little stuff and make it avalible to sample. Programming drives me nuts though because when I start a program and really get going I don't sleep much as the code just races through my head all night. Actually that is how I fix and figure out a lot of my code is when I sleep. Once you get going I think you will enjoy itm start off with little stuff like a program where you have the user enter name and then program come back and say "Hi...So and so!". Then add code to do a little more then you should start to understand it more and what each line can do for you. I plan on working on figuring out how to get graphical interfaces and stuff into my programs. I took a 4-5yr break from programming after college so I'm just really getting back into it. Good luck and if you need help my email is bda300@attbi.com or aim mrdagr81, take it easy. Brian __________________ MLML Dodgers LOHO Dodgers

01-24-2002, 01:17 PM	#8
dsblcommish Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Alabama Posts: 38	Thanks guys, I appreciate the encouragement and I am really looking forward to getting started programming... __________________ Matt Carlisle DSBL Commish <a href="http://www.thedsbl.com" target="_blank">http://www.thedsbl.com</a>

01-24-2002, 03:06 PM	#9
Peterk Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Montreal Posts: 220	Since you're just starting out, if there's no specific reason to use C++, you might want to give Java a try. It's probably a little easier to learn for a newbie (ie. less ways to make a really bad mistake) and the development tools are wonderful and pretty much all 100% free.

01-24-2002, 03:26 PM	#10
dsblcommish Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Alabama Posts: 38	I just wanted to get into C++ so I could learn to program those in-depth games... __________________ Matt Carlisle DSBL Commish <a href="http://www.thedsbl.com" target="_blank">http://www.thedsbl.com</a>

01-24-2002, 03:35 PM	#11
Killebrew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,326	I would just say the more you know, the more you know you don't know. Not too hard to learn but I wouldn't say coding in C/C++ is easy, if it was it would be a lot harder finding work in that field . __________________ FOBL Capital City Metropolitans CDL Minnesota Twins

01-24-2002, 04:19 PM	#12
dsblcommish Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Alabama Posts: 38	Well, I just started looking over it today and everything looks like greek to me.. Man, HTML was so much easier to learn __________________ Matt Carlisle DSBL Commish <a href="http://www.thedsbl.com" target="_blank">http://www.thedsbl.com</a>

01-24-2002, 04:29 PM	#13
Draft Dodger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: formerly of the OTBL Posts: 4,113	stick with it. my C is rusty (I REALLY need to get back in the swing). it seems like a lot at first, but you'll start getting a good grip on it before you know it. __________________ Draft Dodger (Anarchy: Anything goes. The Draft Dodger viewpoint.) Sophmoric[sic] Member of the OOTP Boards (It's not OOTP; it's your computer) 15 GB Webhosting for $6.95 a month IMO we are best off abandoning that sinking ship that is Off Topic to the rats infesting it and just starting a whole new Baseball Forum from scratch.

01-24-2002, 04:39 PM	#14
dsblcommish Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Alabama Posts: 38	Yeah, I will keep plugging away. I am planning on going to an art school in Orlando, FL (Winter Park actually) in the fall to get a degree in game design/computer animation... C++ will be a huge part of that, so I really want to get a head start... Have any of you guys made any really nice games? __________________ Matt Carlisle DSBL Commish <a href="http://www.thedsbl.com" target="_blank">http://www.thedsbl.com</a>

01-24-2002, 04:40 PM	#15
dsblcommish Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Alabama Posts: 38	BTW, I got Microsoft's Visual C++ 6 for free __________________ Matt Carlisle DSBL Commish <a href="http://www.thedsbl.com" target="_blank">http://www.thedsbl.com</a>

01-24-2002, 06:15 PM	#16
Peterk Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Montreal Posts: 220	> Have any of you guys made any really nice games? I'm the original programmer of Faceoff Hockey... Cheeck out <a href="http://www.land-sports.com" target="_blank">www.land-sports.com</a> if you like hockey. I've been out of it for a number of years though and have no idea what's become of my baby.

01-24-2002, 07:36 PM	#17
dsblcommish Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Alabama Posts: 38	I'll check it out, thanks... __________________ Matt Carlisle DSBL Commish <a href="http://www.thedsbl.com" target="_blank">http://www.thedsbl.com</a>

01-25-2002, 03:26 AM	#18
Ryan W. Jack of all trades Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Somewhere, not sure where. Maybe nearby, maybe far away. Posts: 1,371	[quote]Originally posted by Peterk: <strong>> Have any of you guys made any really nice games? I'm the original programmer of Faceoff Hockey... Cheeck out <a href="http://www.land-sports.com" target="_blank">www.land-sports.com</a> if you like hockey. I've been out of it for a number of years though and have no idea what's become of my baby.</strong><hr></blockquote> Hey Pete, As one of the new developers of Faceoff!, I can tell you that it is still alive and kicking. We are using Borland C++ Builder right now for the development software, but previous versions used M$ Visual C++. Ryan __________________

01-25-2002, 02:17 PM	#19
hellfrozeover All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,130	[quote]Originally posted by dsblcommish: <strong>BTW, I got Microsoft's Visual C++ 6 for free </strong><hr></blockquote> I also did, although I made a copy of it from a friend. Nobody tell Microsoft or the feds. OKAY? I'm currently studying for a computer science degree, so getting it for free was a lifesaver. Good luck. __________________ FBA Chicago Syndicate Former Owner: WBL Minnesota Twins 2004 - 2007 AL Central Division Champs OOL Chicago Whales 2006, 2009 UL East Champs; 2006, 2009 United League Champs IBA Lehigh Valley Diamonds 2006 Governor's Cup Champions VSLB New York Yankees 2001, 2002 AL East Division Champs ILBL Commissioner/Chicago Cubs 2002 NL Central Division Champs; 2002 National League Champs ASBL New York Yankees 2006 AL East Division Champs

01-25-2002, 08:43 PM	#20
dsblcommish Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Alabama Posts: 38	You're telling me, I'll be studying game desing in the fall..it will really help me. __________________ Matt Carlisle DSBL Commish <a href="http://www.thedsbl.com" target="_blank">http://www.thedsbl.com</a>