can someone explain how the bears won??? - Page 2

Jason · 10-17-2006, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BrewedCrew

Biggest choke ever

It sure was!

Love,

The 1992-1993 Houston Oilers

AnotherAlias · 10-17-2006, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoman

Actually,it could be argued that James foward progress was stopped on that play,so imo it was a little on the lucky side,not to down play Urlachers play by no means,hes a total animal.

Since the whistle hadn't blown, you'd have a hell of a time making that argument with the refs on the field.

Go Tribe · 10-17-2006, 07:06 PM

they could have run just as much time off the clock with quick comebackers to boldin (as they proved all night) and johnson. or screens and dump offs to james. that line is much better at pass protection for 3 seconds than they are at run blocking. hell they gave boldin 8-10 yards of room off the line every time.

AnotherAlias · 10-17-2006, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Go Tribe

they could have run just as much time off the clock with quick comebackers to boldin (as they proved all night) and johnson. or screens and dump offs to james. that line is much better at pass protection for 3 seconds than they are at run blocking. hell they gave boldin 8-10 yards of room off the line every time.

Which likely would have beaten the Bears. How do we know this? The Cardinals succeeded in doing just that all night.

They didn't want to risk an INT. They felt Rackers was money. He'd already hit 5-6 field goals inside of the 2 minute warning in the 4th quarter and OT.

Now, he's 5-7.

Scoman · 10-17-2006, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by AnotherAlias

Since the whistle hadn't blown, you'd have a hell of a time making that argument with the refs on the field.

Im sure your not bias at all.

Your right refs never make mistakes.

AnotherAlias · 10-17-2006, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoman

Im sure your not bias at all.

Your right refs never make mistakes.

If you look at the replay in slow motion, it appears his forward progress was stopped. If you look at it in normal speed it doesn't. As soon as James seems to not be moving forward, the ball was already coming out.

Scoman · 10-17-2006, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by AnotherAlias

If you look at the replay in slow motion, it appears his forward progress was stopped. If you look at it in normal speed it doesn't. As soon as James seems to not be moving forward, the ball was already coming out.

I was kinda suprised Arizona didnt challenge that play,unless they were out of timeouts. Anyway it all worked out well ,as i had Arizona in the losers pool.

APujols5 · 10-17-2006, 07:57 PM

The Bears won because to be a special team you have to be good as well as lucky. and also because Urlacher refused to quit.

AnotherAlias · 10-17-2006, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoman

I was kinda suprised Arizona didnt challenge that play,unless they were out of timeouts. Anyway it all worked out well ,as i had Arizona in the losers pool.

They still had 2 timeouts left. Maybe they figured it was a fumble just like the refs said and wasn't worth burning a Time Out if they were ultimately wrong.

Scoman · 10-17-2006, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by AnotherAlias

They still had 2 timeouts left. Maybe they figured it was a fumble just like the refs said and wasn't worth burning a Time Out if they were ultimately wrong.

Right or wrong i think it was worth a shot on their behalf,another Denny Green blunder. Seems like the o-cord. was the scape goat.

AnotherAlias · 10-17-2006, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoman

Seems like the o-cord. was the scape goat.

This appears to be quite true.

Prodigal Son · 10-17-2006, 08:21 PM

Forward progress is a judgment call and can't be challenged.

andymac · 10-17-2006, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Prodigal Son

Forward progress is a judgment call and can't be challenged.

Right...Green actually tried to challenge it and the refs told him he couldn't. Same thing that happened when Lovie wanted to challenge the spot of the punt that went out of bounds.

Big Hugg · 10-17-2006, 08:38 PM

The Bears won because the Cardinals coaching staff did what the Bears couldn't do on the final drive.

Stopped Matt Leinart.

JDOldSchool · 10-17-2006, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Hugg

The Bears won because the Cardinals coaching staff did what the Bears couldn't do on the final drive.

Stopped Matt Leinart.

Oh, I missed that touchdown he threw to win the game in the last seconds.

andymac · 10-17-2006, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Hugg

The Bears won because the Cardinals coaching staff did what the Bears couldn't do on the final drive.

Stopped Matt Leinart.

Meh. The Cardinals game plan was to come out and use the passing game as a running game. They were throwing short and letting their excellent wide receivers make plays because they knew they weren't going to get anything in the running game. Leinert didn't even really throw any medium range passes all night, so the Cardinals weren't going to score behind his arm. Both touchdowns were Leinert throwing about a 5-8 yard pass and the receiver making someone miss to get there. As the game wore on the Bears adjusted and the defensive line started concentrating more on closing Leinert's passing lanes and trying to knock those short passes down at the line of scrimmage (and they got 3 or 4 of them).

It isn't like they changed their mind and got conservative late in the game, they were conservative the entire game because they knew if they tried to do something riskier down field it was likely going to be the Bears making the plays. The offensive line is horrible, you can't run for under 2 yards a carry and hope to close a game out.

JDOldSchool · 10-17-2006, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by andymac

Leinert didn't even really throw any medium range passes all night, so the Cardinals weren't going to score behind his arm. . .

It isn't like they changed their mind and got conservative late in the game, they were conservative the entire game because they knew if they tried to do something riskier down field it was likely going to be the Bears making the plays.

They didn't throw downfield because the Bears would feast on Leinart's noodle arm all game long. I like Leinart; he's smart and can play the position, but physically he's limited.

marc · 10-17-2006, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

They didn't throw downfield because the Bears would feast on Leinart's noodle arm all game long. I like Leinart; he's smart and can play the position, but physically he's limited.

That's absolutely not true about Leinart's physical abilities. He doesn't have the arm strength of a Vick or Favre but he doesn't have a "noodle arm".

Hell most of the top QB's in the NFL right now are guys with average to good arm strength.

Scoman · 10-17-2006, 10:22 PM

Arm strength is totally overrated,ask Joe Montana.

marc · 10-17-2006, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoman

Arm strength is totally overrated,ask Joe Montana.

Or Tom Brady, or even Peyton Manning who has "good" arm strength but not great arm strength.

Vick has a cannon but has no idea where it's going when he lets go of it.

10-17-2006, 07:06 PM	#23
Go Tribe All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,534 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	they could have run just as much time off the clock with quick comebackers to boldin (as they proved all night) and johnson. or screens and dump offs to james. that line is much better at pass protection for 3 seconds than they are at run blocking. hell they gave boldin 8-10 yards of room off the line every time.

10-17-2006, 07:57 PM	#28
APujols5 Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: CP Indiana Posts: 1,667 Infractions: 1/3 (3)	The Bears won because to be a special team you have to be good as well as lucky. and also because Urlacher refused to quit.

10-17-2006, 08:21 PM	#32
Prodigal Son All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Iahiodo a.k.a. the flyover Posts: 1,635	Forward progress is a judgment call and can't be challenged.

10-17-2006, 08:38 PM	#34
Big Hugg All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2004 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 933	The Bears won because the Cardinals coaching staff did what the Bears couldn't do on the final drive. Stopped Matt Leinart.

10-17-2006, 10:22 PM	#39
Scoman All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: heath ohio Posts: 1,829	Arm strength is totally overrated,ask Joe Montana.