Jim Caple might not be a moron

imation · 10-10-2006, 03:44 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...e=caple/061009

Ok, who am I kidding, he still is.

Green & Gold Heart · 10-10-2006, 03:46 PM

It's like in OOTP and Baseball Mogul when the Yankees always dump Jeter within the first couple of seasons. But real life is not like OOTP.

I wouldn't think 6/6 popularity would be enough for Jeter. He'd have to be like 1,000,000/1,000,000.

Raidergoo · 10-10-2006, 03:47 PM

Being a moron does not mean he is wrong.

Trade Jeter for pitching.

imation · 10-10-2006, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Raidergoo

Being a moron does not mean is wrong.

Trade Jeter for pitching.

Oh I agree with him trading Jeter. I still think he is a Moron for all his other articles. But he is right in this case. Jeter is coming off his best season ever. I doubt he ever gets to this again.

Raidergoo · 10-10-2006, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Green & Gold Heart

It's like in OOTP and Baseball Mogul when the Yankees always dump Jeter within the first couple of seasons. But real life is not like OOTP.

I wouldn't think 6/6 popularity would be enough for Jeter. He'd have to be like 1,000,000/1,000,000.

I think that if I was the GM for the Yankees, and I ran them like I do in OOTP, they would form a lynch mob, and Mayor Bloomberg would carry the noose.

marc · 10-10-2006, 04:00 PM

Or they could just keep Jeter and sign pitching.

Jeter + Zito > Zito.

imation · 10-10-2006, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by marc

Or they could just keep Jeter and sign pitching.

Jeter + Zito > Zito.

Sell high I always say. I bet they could get way over market value for him. So it would be more like Zito+Mark Buerhle+Jermaine Dye. Or something like that.

marc · 10-10-2006, 04:16 PM

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Sell high I always say. I bet they could get way over market value for him. So it would be more like Zito+Mark Buerhle+Jermaine Dye. Or something like that.

Pretty sure there isn't a player in the league that the Sox would trade those 2 for.

They should keep Jeter and sign like 3 pitchers, they have the money why get rid of something of value?

imation · 10-10-2006, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by marc

Pretty sure there isn't a player in the league that the Sox would trade those 2 for.

They should keep Jeter and sign like 3 pitchers, they have the money why get rid of something of value?

Those players are actually Free Agents.

But they do not have the money. The Yankees have lost more than 30 million the last two years. Pretty soon, that money will run out.

Green & Gold Heart · 10-10-2006, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by marc

Pretty sure there isn't a player in the league that the Sox would trade those 2 for.

They should keep Jeter and sign like 3 pitchers, they have the money why get rid of something of value?

Because they've done that in the past and it hasn't worked out (Pavano, Wright, etc.). In order to get someone really good you sometimes have to make a trade for them, or draft them and bring them up through your system.

marc · 10-10-2006, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Green & Gold Heart

Because they've done that in the past and it hasn't worked out (Pavano, Wright, etc.). In order to get someone really good you sometimes have to make a trade for them, or draft them and bring them up through your system.

So instead of just signing Zito, they should trade for someone as good as Zito??

Green & Gold Heart · 10-10-2006, 04:21 PM

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So instead of just signing Zito, they should trade for someone as good as Zito??

Zito is one pitcher. You said three pitchers.

billethius · 10-10-2006, 04:22 PM

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So instead of just signing Zito, they should trade for someone as good as Zito??

Most GMs won't let a true top-of-the-line starter become a free agent. You have to either trade for or draft that kind of pitcher. How have Pavano and Wright worked out so far?

Edit: Hell, how about Clement in Boston?

marc · 10-10-2006, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Green & Gold Heart

Zito is one pitcher. You said three pitchers.

Ok how about Zito and Jason Schmidt? Those 2 alone would be plenty.

marc · 10-10-2006, 04:23 PM

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Most GMs won't let a true top-of-the-line starter become a free agent. You have to either trade for or draft that kind of pitcher. How have Pavano and Wright worked out so far?

Zito is a free agent....

If Jaret Wright is a big FA signing then so is my grandma.

billethius · 10-10-2006, 04:24 PM

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Zito is a free agent....

If Jaret Wright is a big FA signing then so is my grandma.

I think many would argue that Zito is not a top-of-the-line starter.

billethius · 10-10-2006, 04:25 PM

But hey, what do I care? Keep throwing long-term big-money contracts at middle of the rotation starters.

imation · 10-10-2006, 04:25 PM

Starting Pitchers
Nick Adenhart, Abe Alvarez, Scott Baker, Kris Benson, Jeremy Bonderman, Boof Bonser, Daniel Cabrera, Shawn Chacon, Matt Clement, Jason Davis, Zach Duke, Scott Elarton, Freddy Garcia, Gavin Floyd, Ben Hendrickson, Mark Hendrickson, Rich Hill, Tim Hudson, Sunny Kim, Jon Lieber, Kyle Lohse, Rodrigo Lopez, Derek Lowe, Dustin McGowan, Eric Milton, Brett Myers, Ricky Nolsasco, Scott Olsen, Roy Oswalt, Carl Pavano, Yusmeiro Petit, Oliver Perez, Oliver Perez, Joel Pineiro, Renyel Pinto, Mark Prior, Horacio Ramirez, Wandy Rodriguez, Glendon Rusch, Humberto Sanchez, Carlos Silva, Alay Soler, Sean Tracey, Josh Towers, Jason Vargas, Javier Vazquez, Doug Waechter, Dave Williams, Dontrelle Willis, Jaret Wright

RH relievers
David Aardsma, Greg Aquino, Colter Bean, T.J. Beam, Heath Bell, Joaquin Benoit, Matt Capps, Santiago Casilla, Roman Colon, Neal Cotts, Jesse Crain, Juan Cruz, Jason Davis, Brendan Donnelly, Jason Frasor, Tom Gordon, Jeremy Guthrie, Aaron Heilman, Brandon League, Brad Lidge, Scott Linebrink, Brandon Lyon, Ryan Madson, Shaun Marcum, Julio Mateo, Will Ohman, Chad Qualls, Jon Rauch, Chris Reitsma, Royce Ring, Kirk Saarloos, Rafael Soriano, Taylor Tankersley, Julian Tavarez, Salomon Torres, Derrick Turnbow, Jose Valverde, Jermaine Van Buren, Oscar Villareal, Ryan Vogelsong, Dan Wheeler, Jerome Williams, Jay Witasick

LH relievers
Jeremy Affeldt, Scott Downs, Mike Gonzalez, John Grabow, Damaso Marte, Seth McClung, Matt Thornton

Trade for some of those players.

Green & Gold Heart · 10-10-2006, 04:26 PM

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Ok how about Zito and Jason Schmidt? Those 2 alone would be plenty.

And throw in Matsuzaka and there's your three.

But what are the chances of one team getting all three big SPs on the FA board? Even the mighty New York Yankees?

I think they get one, and it'll be Matsuzaka.

Green & Gold Heart · 10-10-2006, 04:28 PM

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I think many would argue that Zito is not a top-of-the-line starter.

Zito is a very good pitcher, but not very consistent. But he is a big game pitcher, with a sub-3 postseason ERA in six starts (knocking on wood, don't want to jinx tonight

). So that makes him a top FA to a lot of teams who need pitching.

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Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,005	Being a moron does not mean he is wrong. Trade Jeter for pitching. Last edited by Raidergoo; 10-10-2006 at 03:51 PM.

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marc Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,505	Or they could just keep Jeter and sign pitching. Jeter + Zito > Zito. __________________

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imation Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 307	Starting Pitchers Nick Adenhart, Abe Alvarez, Scott Baker, Kris Benson, Jeremy Bonderman, Boof Bonser, Daniel Cabrera, Shawn Chacon, Matt Clement, Jason Davis, Zach Duke, Scott Elarton, Freddy Garcia, Gavin Floyd, Ben Hendrickson, Mark Hendrickson, Rich Hill, Tim Hudson, Sunny Kim, Jon Lieber, Kyle Lohse, Rodrigo Lopez, Derek Lowe, Dustin McGowan, Eric Milton, Brett Myers, Ricky Nolsasco, Scott Olsen, Roy Oswalt, Carl Pavano, Yusmeiro Petit, Oliver Perez, Oliver Perez, Joel Pineiro, Renyel Pinto, Mark Prior, Horacio Ramirez, Wandy Rodriguez, Glendon Rusch, Humberto Sanchez, Carlos Silva, Alay Soler, Sean Tracey, Josh Towers, Jason Vargas, Javier Vazquez, Doug Waechter, Dave Williams, Dontrelle Willis, Jaret Wright RH relievers David Aardsma, Greg Aquino, Colter Bean, T.J. Beam, Heath Bell, Joaquin Benoit, Matt Capps, Santiago Casilla, Roman Colon, Neal Cotts, Jesse Crain, Juan Cruz, Jason Davis, Brendan Donnelly, Jason Frasor, Tom Gordon, Jeremy Guthrie, Aaron Heilman, Brandon League, Brad Lidge, Scott Linebrink, Brandon Lyon, Ryan Madson, Shaun Marcum, Julio Mateo, Will Ohman, Chad Qualls, Jon Rauch, Chris Reitsma, Royce Ring, Kirk Saarloos, Rafael Soriano, Taylor Tankersley, Julian Tavarez, Salomon Torres, Derrick Turnbow, Jose Valverde, Jermaine Van Buren, Oscar Villareal, Ryan Vogelsong, Dan Wheeler, Jerome Williams, Jay Witasick LH relievers Jeremy Affeldt, Scott Downs, Mike Gonzalez, John Grabow, Damaso Marte, Seth McClung, Matt Thornton Trade for some of those players. __________________

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Green & Gold Heart Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 5,242	It's like in OOTP and Baseball Mogul when the Yankees always dump Jeter within the first couple of seasons. But real life is not like OOTP. I wouldn't think 6/6 popularity would be enough for Jeter. He'd have to be like 1,000,000/1,000,000.

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billethius All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 822	But hey, what do I care? Keep throwing long-term big-money contracts at middle of the rotation starters.