Week 4: Seattle @ Bears - Page 2

Goody · 09-27-2006, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Raidergoo

Swap either club out of their respective divisions and replace the Browns in the AFC North, and they are .500 clubs.

Too funny!

Can of Corn · 09-27-2006, 11:15 PM

Bears 31, Seahawks 17

Big Willis 16 · 09-28-2006, 05:36 AM

Seahawks 34 Bears 7

Faroo6 · 09-28-2006, 12:16 PM

Well Alexander did only rush for 47 yards on 20 carries and the Seahawks still managed to put up 40+ points. The offense can get it done without him. Seattle in a rout.

Coates · 09-28-2006, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MorseMoose

Without Alexander, the Seahawks still have a better team. The Bears just aren't that good. I'm sorry Bears fans, but after watching you play the Vikings; I see nothing that tells me they should be a playoff team. Now they might because of the division they're in and they may be better than the Vikings...but our division is teh suk this year. It pains me to say it, but it is kinda like the 1990s when the Indians were such a dynasty. They made the playoffs year after year, but they division was just that bad.

It was almost last week, but I think the Bears (had Seattle had Alexander) would have been in for a rude awakening this week. However, as Seattle doesn't have Alexander; the Bears might just squeek out another one and they'll be seen as "such a good team" for another week. Sure, going 4-0 looks good on paper; but you gotta consider the competition. Nevertheless, good luck to both teams next week. I really only root against one team in the NFL (the Packers), so I don't mean to bash the Bears to much.

ROFL. I guess some people just don't understand how important defense is in football. *Looks at standings and sees that the Bears 23 points allowed and the Ravens 20 points allowed leaves them a combined 6-0*

AnotherAlias · 09-28-2006, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Coates

ROFL. I guess some people just don't understand how important defense is in football. *Looks at standings and sees that the Bears 23 points allowed and the Ravens 20 points allowed leaves them a combined 6-0*

I was going to address him on this yesterday, but there's no use. He's a Viking fan with a Bears bone to pick.

Bears 24
Seahawks - 10

Goody · 09-28-2006, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Coates

ROFL. I guess some people just don't understand how important defense is in football. *Looks at standings and sees that the Bears 23 points allowed and the Ravens 20 points allowed leaves them a combined 6-0*

And the Seahawks 46 points allowed added to that makes them 9-0. Your point is?

Edit: Seattle gave up more points in the 4th quarter against the Giants (27) than Chicago and Baltimore have all year. So minus that one quarter in a pretty much filed away game they had 19 points allowed. Make of that what you will. That's one reason the SEA/CHI game is so hard to call.

Goody · 09-28-2006, 03:59 PM

BTW, doesn't PA have negligable measure of defense? A bad offense or turnovers can greatly affect PA. Wouldn't you go by yards, or yards per play allowed?

MorseMoose · 09-28-2006, 04:27 PM

Again. They've played the:

* Lions
4 offensive TDs scored (28 points)
51 total points scored
1 TD against the Bears

* Packers
6 offensive TDs scored (42 points) ...half coming against the Lions
58 total points scored
0 TDs against the Bears

* Vikings
2 offensive TDs scored (14 poitns)
51 total points scored
0 TDs against the Bears

By my count, the Bears have given up 1 TD to these three teams.

* The Lions got the one TD against the Bears. They also let up three against the Packers. Again, four TDs in three games sure ain't that great.

* The Packers in two games only had three TDs. The other three came agains the Lions (whoopie). They got shut out too, but when most teams are scoring at least 2-3 TDs per game, the Packers three in two games sure doesn't look that good.

* Sure, the Vikings offense basically got shutout by the Bears, but the Vikings have only scored two TDs. Not all that great of a powerhouse offense.

I'm NOT saying the Bears defense isn't good. You just have to look at the competition.

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The Bears just aren't that good. I'm sorry Bears fans, but after watching you play the Vikings; I see nothing that tells me they should be a playoff team.

Ok, maybe I did say the Bears weren't that good. But I have yet to see they compete against a worthy opponent. The Vikings, Lions and Packers have played two other games this year other than against the Bears and they have done next to nothing. I'll give you Bears defense > Vikings defense > Packers defense > Lions defense...but to say they are "top-notch" after nearly losing to a team that has scored only two offensive TDs all year...I can't agree with that...not yet.

MorseMoose · 09-28-2006, 04:50 PM

So I look up the Bears schedule...can it get much easier?

Code:

Team		This Year		PS 2006			Last Year
Packers		1-2			58			4-12
Lions		0-3			37			5-11
Vikings		2-1			51			9-7
Seahawks	3-0			72			13-3
Bills		1-2			53			5-11
Cardinals	1-2			58			5-11
49ers		1-2			71			4-12
Dolphins	1-2			36			9-7
Giants		1-2			81			11-5
Jets		2-1			68			4-12
Patriots	2-1			50			10-6
Vikings		2-1			51			9-7
Rams		2-1			47			6-10
Buccanners	0-3			27			11-5
Lions		0-3			37			5-11
Packers		1-2			58			4-12	
Totals		20(1.25)-28(1.75)	avg. 53			114(7)-142(9)

The NFC North is by far the easiest division. When you have to play the Lions and Packers twice, it can't get much easier. Throw in a team like the Vikings that can't score an offensive TD if their life depended on it...it makes to just that much easier. Plus, you get to play those teams twice. 6-0 against three offensive blahs...It's kinda hard for you're defense NOT to look good.

Goody · 09-28-2006, 05:32 PM

Same old story for both the Bears and the Seahawks then...it seems. From the media and fans that think the NFL is some big cakewalk if you have an "easy" schedule.

Its the NFL...people. Every team can put points on the board if your defense isn't good. If any given team is shut down for a game or 3 games...its because of amazing (meaning, uncharacteristic play even by a power defense) defense and coaching. That doesn't make you a slouch if you beat them.

Most likely...whomever wins in Seahawks Vs. Bears....everyone will just say "Oh it was easy...they were playing against the weak Seahawks/Bears."

andymac · 09-28-2006, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 9lives

BTW, doesn't PA have negligable measure of defense? A bad offense or turnovers can greatly affect PA. Wouldn't you go by yards, or yards per play allowed?

I don't think there is any one clear-cut statistic that should be used to evaluate a defense.

JDOldSchool · 09-28-2006, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Coates

ROFL. I guess some people just don't understand how important defense is in football. *Looks at standings and sees that the Bears 23 points allowed and the Ravens 20 points allowed leaves them a combined 6-0*

The Bears defense has actually allowed just 16 points. 7 points allowed came on a 7 yard TD return Sunday.

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Originally Posted by MorseMoose

but to say they are "top-notch" after nearly losing to a team that has scored only two offensive TDs all year...I can't agree with that...not yet.

Except the Bears returned all eleven starters from last year, when they were the best defense in the league (I think Tampa ended up allowing fewer points, but the Bears first string D didn't play the last week). In addition, they signed Ricky Manning, Jr. to be the third cornerback and one of their starting safeties has already been replaced by a draft pick who is even better. They likely have the deepest defensive line in football, with at least 7 guys who could start on other teams. They also happen to have the best middle linebacker in football flanked by an All-Pro on one side and, as the worst defensive starter, Hillenmeyer (or Ayanbadejo) is a starter on any other team.

The Bears defense isn't just good. It isn't just top-notch. It's one of the all-time best. In talking with a friend after week 2 I set the O/U on the Bears defense allowing more than 10 points at 3.5 games. And I think I'd probably take the under on that.

JDOldSchool · 09-28-2006, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 9lives

Most likely...whomever wins in Seahawks Vs. Bears....everyone will just say "Oh it was easy...they were playing against the weak Seahawks/Bears."

You're probably right. If the Bears win it'll be "Well, Seattle didn't have Alexander" and if Seattle wins it'll be "Nobody thought the Bears were for real anyway.

The best part is that people will still be saying something about the winner (and loser) if this is the NFC Championship game matchup.

AnotherAlias · 09-28-2006, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MorseMoose

* Sure, the Vikings offense basically got shutout by the Bears, but the Vikings have only scored two TDs. Not all that great of a powerhouse offense.

.

Against who?

The Redskins and the Panthers. Two pretty decent defensive teams. It's no wonder the Vikes didn't put up big numbers against them.

Goody · 10-01-2006, 05:38 PM

About 4 hours to go. Fun fun!

No AFC games on here for the late game so these subpar NFC teams will have to do. (/sarcasm)

Big Willis 16 · 10-01-2006, 11:26 PM

This is ugly.

Coates · 10-02-2006, 12:32 AM

*Looks around for Moose*

Bears PF: 116
Bears PA: 29

I'd like to hear how the Bears are still weak, please. I'm a Pats fan, but I can't help but appreciate a team as dominant as Chicago at the moment. Clearly the best NFC team, but I'm not sure where I'd rank them in the AFC.

Prodigal Son · 10-02-2006, 12:38 AM

Yeah this Bears team is really, really good, period.

Can of Corn · 10-02-2006, 12:45 AM

Da Bears

09-28-2006, 05:36 AM	#23
Big Willis 16 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,616	Seahawks 34 Bears 7 __________________ A wise man once said "shutup and drink your beer!"

09-28-2006, 04:50 PM	#30
MorseMoose Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 6,023 Infractions: 1/1 (1)	So I look up the Bears schedule...can it get much easier? Code: Team This Year PS 2006 Last Year Packers 1-2 58 4-12 Lions 0-3 37 5-11 Vikings 2-1 51 9-7 Seahawks 3-0 72 13-3 Bills 1-2 53 5-11 Cardinals 1-2 58 5-11 49ers 1-2 71 4-12 Dolphins 1-2 36 9-7 Giants 1-2 81 11-5 Jets 2-1 68 4-12 Patriots 2-1 50 10-6 Vikings 2-1 51 9-7 Rams 2-1 47 6-10 Buccanners 0-3 27 11-5 Lions 0-3 37 5-11 Packers 1-2 58 4-12 Totals 20(1.25)-28(1.75) avg. 53 114(7)-142(9) The NFC North is by far the easiest division. When you have to play the Lions and Packers twice, it can't get much easier. Throw in a team like the Vikings that can't score an offensive TD if their life depended on it...it makes to just that much easier. Plus, you get to play those teams twice. 6-0 against three offensive blahs...It's kinda hard for you're defense NOT to look good.

09-28-2006, 05:32 PM	#31
Goody Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Korea Posts: 3,530	Same old story for both the Bears and the Seahawks then...it seems. From the media and fans that think the NFL is some big cakewalk if you have an "easy" schedule. Its the NFL...people. *Every* team can put points on the board if your defense isn't good. If any given team is shut down for a game or 3 games...its because of amazing (meaning, uncharacteristic play even by a power defense) defense and coaching. That doesn't make you a slouch if you beat them. Most likely...whomever wins in Seahawks Vs. Bears....everyone will just say "Oh it was easy...they were playing against the weak Seahawks/Bears." Last edited by Goody; 09-28-2006 at 05:34 PM.

10-01-2006, 11:26 PM	#37
Big Willis 16 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,616	This is ugly. __________________ A wise man once said "shutup and drink your beer!"

09-27-2006, 11:15 PM	#22
Can of Corn Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 169 Infractions: 0/1 (4)	Bears 31, Seahawks 17

09-28-2006, 03:59 PM	#28
Goody Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Korea Posts: 3,530	BTW, doesn't PA have negligable measure of defense? A bad offense or turnovers can greatly affect PA. Wouldn't you go by yards, or yards per play allowed?

10-01-2006, 05:38 PM	#36
Goody Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Korea Posts: 3,530	About 4 hours to go. Fun fun! No AFC games on here for the late game so these subpar NFC teams will have to do. (/sarcasm)

10-02-2006, 12:32 AM	#38
Coates Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 80	Looks around for Moose Bears PF: 116 Bears PA: 29 I'd like to hear how the Bears are still weak, please. I'm a Pats fan, but I can't help but appreciate a team as dominant as Chicago at the moment. Clearly the best NFC team, but I'm not sure where I'd rank them in the AFC.

10-02-2006, 12:38 AM	#39
Prodigal Son All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Iahiodo a.k.a. the flyover Posts: 1,635	Yeah this Bears team is really, really good, period.

10-02-2006, 12:45 AM	#40
Can of Corn Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 169 Infractions: 0/1 (4)	Da Bears