What is up w/ Griffey in OOTP 6.5?

XPPD1510 · 08-28-2006, 08:41 PM

He has gone from a 3.5 to a 1.0 in TWO leagues now... Will he regain his ratings or have I just flushed 37 million down the toilet?

sfgiants88 · 08-28-2006, 09:17 PM

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Steve Kuffrey · 08-28-2006, 10:42 PM

How old is he?

XPPD1510 · 08-30-2006, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Kuffrey

How old is he?

Sorry for the delay... He is 36 and just started the season. This is OOTP 6.5... at the start of a brand new league. In the roster set, he is a 36 year old w/ a 3.5 overall rating. I saw another 6.5 new league, where he was injured... He crashed to a 1.0 in that league as well. My strategy in my league was to get him and DH him... thinking he would maintain his hitting ratings and lessen his chances of being injured (in theory

). I was wrong. After the 3rd 10 day sim as the DH... He crashed to a 1.0 with ratings of 5 5 4 4 4. There is no explanation for this. Vinny Castilla is 38 and still maintaining his 2.5 rating...in the same league, so I don't think it's the aging modifiers... I just was wondering if some players were programmed to collapse and Griffey happened to be one of them... Thanks for your patience. Here is the league link.

http://www.freewebtown.com/thirdstrike/

Griffey is on the Orioles AAA roster.

I guess I'll post the same question here... Should I play Griffey at DH now and hope he regains his ratings, or play him in CF.... or put him in AAA and kiss the remaining 37.5 million on his contract goodbye... Thanks

andymac · 08-30-2006, 11:46 AM

Players are not coded to colapse. Just bad luck on your part.

XPPD1510 · 08-30-2006, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by andymac

Players are not coded to colapse. Just bad luck on your part.

Can a veteran player regain his ratings? and how best?

andymac · 08-30-2006, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by XPPD1510

Can a veteran player regain his ratings? and how best?

They can improve, but it is rare.

sfgiants88 · 08-30-2006, 01:12 PM

In OOTP 6.5, players are rarely effective past 35 of so with the default settings. I would consider Griffey toast.

I would also expect Castilla to crash and burn within the next year or two.

eriqjaffe · 08-30-2006, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sfgiants88

In OOTP 6.5, players are rarely effective past 35 of so with the default settings. I would consider Griffey toast.

FWIW, I've noticed that that is less true for pitchers than it is for other players. Your mileage may vary.

thehef · 08-30-2006, 05:48 PM

It's rare that players - in reality and especially in OOTP 6.5 - excel beyond 35. The best way to get Griffey or any other player to perform well in their late 30's is to cheat. By that I mean you should introduce him to the fountain of youth by changing his age... In my historical sim, when I saw that guys like Ted Williams and Warren Spahn were fading fast around the ages of 36/37 - when in reality they had several more productive - even outstanding - years, I simply changed their b-days to make them four years younger.

Now obviously, this ain't gonna fly in an on-line league or whatever. But if it's just your own little sim, it's the easiest way to align some of your favorite players with real life... 'Course you'll have to tamper with their ratings unless you happen to change their b-days before their big collapse.

mrbill · 08-30-2006, 07:10 PM

Yeah, your best bet in a new league like that, don't touch guys over 34 unless you want to win before they turn 36. If someone says productive past 36 (and a rare few do), just consider that luck (bad if you let them go, good if you had them).

I find most players start to decline at 32-33, but its only a little. Then, a second wave comes between 34-37 and wipes them out completely.

We in NGBL have 6 hitters still actually good enough to play at the major league level age 37 or older. Only 3 pitchers. Using v6.12 with default aging mods.

bp_ · 08-30-2006, 11:23 PM

Let me just add another post here to concur with what others have said. Always trade your 34+ yr old guys for younger talent whenever possible.

toolboxnj · 09-03-2006, 06:40 PM

Turn down the age-rating decline modifyer

Alot of mid-30s prominent players collasped in the first year or two of my leauge.

Astros33Resurrected · 09-05-2006, 01:18 AM

trade him!

Vezna31 · 09-08-2006, 04:49 PM

Looking through the career leaders last night, I found a fictional 38 yo still very productive. He's gaining on my retired catchers HR mark of 468 and well ahead of everyone with 600 SB and he still has contact in the 60's and power in the 70's. My league is in it's 19th year of existence.

08-28-2006, 08:41 PM	#1
XPPD1510 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 69	What is up w/ Griffey in OOTP 6.5? He has gone from a 3.5 to a 1.0 in TWO leagues now... Will he regain his ratings or have I just flushed 37 million down the toilet?

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08-30-2006, 07:10 PM	#11
mrbill All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: LA, CA Posts: 982	Yeah, your best bet in a new league like that, don't touch guys over 34 unless you want to win before they turn 36. If someone says productive past 36 (and a rare few do), just consider that luck (bad if you let them go, good if you had them). I find most players start to decline at 32-33, but its only a little. Then, a second wave comes between 34-37 and wipes them out completely. We in NGBL have 6 hitters still actually good enough to play at the major league level age 37 or older. Only 3 pitchers. Using v6.12 with default aging mods. __________________ UBL - Best Online League Evar! - Los Angeles Dodgers: 25 seasons, 13 NL West titles, 4 WC, 8 NL Titles, 5-time Champs LBB v5 league (retired) - Detroit Tigers/Commish: 19 seasons, 18 straight AL Central titles, 2006, 2008, 2014, 2015 Champs! NGBL v6 league (dead) - Texas Rangers: 10 seasons, 4 AL South titles, 2 Wild Cards, one WS app

08-30-2006, 11:23 PM	#12
bp_ Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: New York, NY Posts: 2,804	Let me just add another post here to concur with what others have said. Always trade your 34+ yr old guys for younger talent whenever possible. __________________ Commish: Over The Mound

08-28-2006, 09:17 PM	#2
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08-30-2006, 01:12 PM	#8
sfgiants88 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 885	In OOTP 6.5, players are rarely effective past 35 of so with the default settings. I would consider Griffey toast. I would also expect Castilla to crash and burn within the next year or two.

08-30-2006, 05:48 PM	#10
thehef Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,380	It's rare that players - in reality and especially in OOTP 6.5 - excel beyond 35. The best way to get Griffey or any other player to perform well in their late 30's is to cheat. By that I mean you should introduce him to the fountain of youth by changing his age... In my historical sim, when I saw that guys like Ted Williams and Warren Spahn were fading fast around the ages of 36/37 - when in reality they had several more productive - even outstanding - years, I simply changed their b-days to make them four years younger. Now obviously, this ain't gonna fly in an on-line league or whatever. But if it's just your own little sim, it's the easiest way to align some of your favorite players with real life... 'Course you'll have to tamper with their ratings unless you happen to change their b-days before their big collapse.

09-03-2006, 06:40 PM	#13
toolboxnj Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 192	Turn down the age-rating decline modifyer Alot of mid-30s prominent players collasped in the first year or two of my leauge. __________________ Rutgers Business School - Class of 2007 - Go Rutgers!

09-05-2006, 01:18 AM	#14
Astros33Resurrected Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Lufkin, TX Posts: 2,213	trade him!

09-08-2006, 04:49 PM	#15
Vezna31 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Wherever My VPN says Posts: 1,989	Looking through the career leaders last night, I found a fictional 38 yo still very productive. He's gaining on my retired catchers HR mark of 468 and well ahead of everyone with 600 SB and he still has contact in the 60's and power in the 70's. My league is in it's 19th year of existence. __________________ Owner/Operator - Vezna Financial Services - Accounting and taxes.