Back from vacation, 1.0.3 coming up

[ey215]

Originally Posted by Sweed

No, it means you don't get it.

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[Deftones2003]

Just a couple minor things i noticed when playing out the games and not sure if they were mentioned here or not.

1) when there's a pitcher substitutions the play by play doesn't always let you know there was a pitching change.

2) some of the play by play is still querky at times. ie. a hit to the pitcher, throws to second to start the double play and the finishing line of the play by play had the runner getting under the tag and being safe.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by Charlie Hough

I did not buy OOTP 2006 until patch 1.0.2. I saw the initial problems with the game, which included the failure to properly implement features before releasing them, so I stayed away until there was a playable demo and until there was a patch that addressed many of these issues. The release of OOTP 2006 is an example of why you shouldn't rush your product development and shouldn't release game features until they function properly. The end result is a disaster in public relations and customer satisfaction.

I won't argue with a single point of that. But I feel obligated to point out that OOTP 2006 was actually released while prominently featuring the "failure to properly implement features before releasing them," so doing the same thing with additional game features would hardly be anything new or different.

BTW, we really should cool this discussion off.

[pstrickert]

Originally Posted by Deftones2003

2) some of the play by play is still querky at times. ie. a hit to the pitcher, throws to second to start the double play and the finishing line of the play by play had the runner getting under the tag and being safe.

To call it "quirky" is being kind.

[rwd59]

Originally Posted by Faroo6

The fact that Lexus is a division of Toyota, makes this a pretty funny post.

Oh, well. Live and learn.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by battists

The Wolf, is there any possibility you could post a new thread describing what affinity mode is, and why you like it for historical sim purposes? I don't play any of the other sims, so I frankly don't understand how it works. Thanks.

If I were to do that then the same people who have been badmouthing it would want argue with me in the new thread about it, despite the fact that they've never played the game and have absolutely no clue what they are talking about. So no thanks.

Read this thread instead http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1195364

[darkenigma510]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

If I were to do that then the same people who have been badmouthing it would want argue with me in the new thread about it, despite the fact that they've never played the game and have absolutely no clue what they are talking about. So no thanks.

Read this thread instead http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1195364

So, in other words, instead of trying to open up a discussion by starting another topic which might produce a beneficial discussion and improve the game like you suggest you want, you'd rather argue and remain off-topic here?

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

My copy of OOTP 2007 has four completely different modes and twenty-five different pre-designed league setups. Yes, twenty-five, including everything from 1 league with 4 teams to 2 leagues with 40 teams. That's anything BUT "extremely limited."

Uh, shouldn't the bolded portion say PureSim instead of OOTP? You made a slight but interesting typo there.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by darkenigma510

So, in other words, instead of trying to open up a discussion by starting another topic which might produce a beneficial discussion and improve the game like you suggest you want, you'd rather argue and remain off-topic here?

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I have no idea what Mal, er, I mean The Wolf is so reticent about in terms of starting that new topic. He's shown no difficulty defending his positions here... and now when a chance comes up to actually discuss a feature suggestion in-depth, he rebuffs the chance.

Seems a bit of a strange choice to me...

[Raidergoo]

Originally Posted by Charlie Hough

The release of OOTP 2006 is an example of why you shouldn't rush your product development and shouldn't release game features until they function properly. The end result is a disaster in public relations and customer satisfaction.

I would not suggest it was rushed. I think that it was a case of grand ambitions taking far too long to implement. Some would say this is semantics, and they may be right. I'm not going to argue that point.

I also would suggest that disaster would have occured if the game had not been released as promised, when promised. The scope of the PR disaster? I don't know, it would not have been pretty. Would it have been better to release it on July 1st? What would the consequences be?

I know they've gone through a lessons learned process.

I would hope they launch a public beta in mid March next year, for reasons I've written about elsewhere.

[darkenigma510]

Originally Posted by Raidergoo

I would not suggest it was rushed. I think that it was a case of grand ambitions taking far too long to implement. Some would say this is semantics, and they may be right. I'm not going to argue that point.

I also would suggest that disaster would have occured if the game had not been released as promised, when promised. The scope of the PR disaster? I don't know, it would not have been pretty. Would it have been better to release it on July 1st? What would the consequences be?

I know they've gone through a lessons learned process.

I would hope they launch a public beta in mid March next year, for reasons I've written about elsewhere.

I am starting to wonder with the complexity of games these days whether smaller developers almost need to go the route of public betas since they don't have the economic wherewithall like an EA has. Maybe the days of the a single developer doing it on their own is over.

[endgame]

Originally Posted by darkenigma510

I am starting to wonder with the complexity of games these days whether smaller developers almost need to go the route of public betas since they don't have the economic wherewithall like an EA has. Maybe the days of the a single developer doing it on their own is over.

All "economic wherewithall" provides the large corporation is the ability to put out flawed games and be able to walk away from them or be uncaring about fixes because the consequence is negligible and thus, to a degree, dissatisfaction becomes affordable for them. EA and Sierra both have demonstrated just this kind of philosophy in one form or another.

[Charlie Hough]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Any suggestions for a couple of small new features?

Allow an option for random veteran free agents to be created for stand-alone foreign leagues in places like Japan or Korea. So, if you're not running any other leagues in your baseball universe, the game could still simulate the availability of veteran free agents from the U.S. or Latin America. Otherwise I think all you can hope for is foreign players brought into your rookie drafts, which is not realistic. Most foreign players come to Japan or Korea after already playing pro baseball for a number of years.

Yes, you could run the other leagues and allow free agency, but this takes up much more processing time and disk space. And sometimes it's just easier to keep things simple.

[Carplos]

Allow an option for random veteran free agents to be created for stand-alone foreign leagues in places like Japan or Korea. So, if you're not running any other leagues in your baseball universe, the game could still simulate the availability of veteran free agents from the U.S. or Latin America. Otherwise I think all you can hope for is foreign players brought into your rookie drafts, which is not realistic. Most foreign players come to Japan or Korea after already playing pro baseball for a number of years.

What I do for my stand-alone *** is set the foreigner percentage to 100% on January 1 (any date will do--that's just when I do it), then create a few established free agents. If you just want FAs from a specific nation, you can change the nation of the league and create players with the foreigner % at 0 as well.

[darkenigma510]

Originally Posted by endgame

All "economic wherewithall" provides the large corporation is the ability to put out flawed games and be able to walk away from them or be uncaring about fixes because the consequence is negligible and thus, to a degree, dissatisfaction becomes affordable for them. EA and Sierra both have demonstrated just this kind of philosophy in one form or another.

Ping: Madden 2007

[Charlie Hough]

Thanks for the tips. That will work for now, although the limitations to the create players options for this situation lead me to another request.

How about the ability to determine the age range and an ability range for the player or players you want to create? For foreign players coming to Japan or Korea, some of the established players that OOTP creates are 24 or 25 years old with top flight ratings. Those players wouldn't be leaving MLB to play overseas, so I'd like to limit the range of ratings and the ages involved, to more accurately simulate the arrival of veteran free agents who are nearing retirement or are hoping to rejuvinate their careers.

[canadiancreed]

Originally Posted by darkenigma510

So, in other words, instead of trying to open up a discussion by starting another topic which might produce a beneficial discussion and improve the game like you suggest you want, you'd rather argue and remain off-topic here?

Good to see I"m not the only one that felt that.

This isn't OT. Different topic = different thread.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

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I have no idea what Mal, er, I mean The Wolf is so reticent about in terms of starting that new topic. He's shown no difficulty defending his positions here... and now when a chance comes up to actually discuss a feature suggestion in-depth, he rebuffs the chance.

Seems a bit of a strange choice to me...

Currently I am AA's alias. I used to be Mal's, then Killing Time's, then BigPhesta's. You need to keep up.

Since you want to know my motivation I was asked to help reduce the flames here by the mod and am trying to be obliging.

Adding to this is the fact that none of the people who want to badmouth the mode know anything at all about it and just want a chance to play jump on the dissidents. No thanks.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Uh, shouldn't the bolded portion say PureSim instead of OOTP?

I'm not perfect. Are you?

[Raidergoo]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

I'm not perfect. Are you?

I'm not Malleus.

Are you?