Back from vacation, 1.0.3 coming up

[Eugene Church]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

My, how snarkish and condescending. Please remember that not everyone visits here as often as you do.

The game has serious issues. Hand in hand with that is the fact that this board has serious issues, and that the board's issues are preventing an open and honest discussion of the game's issues.

Both need to be fixed.

I have been on this board for four years.

I respectfully disagree with your accessment.

The board does not have serious problems.

It is not falling apart.

It just has a few problem members that don't seem to understand how to disagree in a courteous manner.

[1998 Yankees]

Excuse me. I'm new here. What is going on? It's a game, and it's fun. It cost less than $50 (but a lot of sweat equity, granted). Why am I reading nastiness?

Edit - I wonder if Markus regrets starting this thread. Jeez.

[pstrickert]

Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

and it's fun.

I think "it's fun" depends in large part on how one plays the game. Those who prefer fictional leagues may be more satisfied than those who prefer historical leagues. Likewise, those who prefer simming through a century of baseball may enjoy the game more than those who prefer playing through one season a game at a time. OOTP2006 tries to appeal to gamers of every stripe, but IMO - in its present state - it meets the needs of some gamers far better than others.

[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by pstrickert

I think "it's fun" depends in large part on how one plays the game.

I'm a fictional leaguer, I will grant you. However, the game is all about having fun playing a game. What is fun about ranting in a discussion forum about it? Yes, try to influence its direction to your liking if you can; that's why I originally signed on here. If it's not going your way, if you are not having fun, then write it off and move on, is my advice. Believe me, I've done that many a time in my gaming career (baseball games alone: High Heat, Hardball 6, MVP Baseball).

[disposableheros]

Originally Posted by rwd59

What did you find thats got you so fired up?

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...lay.php?f=3639

take your pick

[andymac]

Originally Posted by disposableheros

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...lay.php?f=3639

take your pick

OMG!!! A computer simulation game has bug issues!! I think we should all boycott and go play the perfect computer simulation game. It is out there somewhere right?....right???

[disposableheros]

Originally Posted by andymac

OMG!!! A computer simulation game has bug issues!! I think we should all boycott and go play the perfect computer simulation game. It is out there somewhere right?....right???

slight overreaction to my suggestion that the 15 minutes spent on coding new features could be better spent fixing features that are already there

[andymac]

Originally Posted by disposableheros

slight overreaction to my suggestion that the 15 minutes spent on coding new features could be better spent fixing features that are already there

You mean the half-assed ones? I was overreacting to your overreaction .

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by ey215

I assume that it isn't "small", but active/inactive leagues would top my list.

No, it isn't small. As the originator of that particular idea, there are a lot of aspects to that idea which would need to be fleshed out before it could be implemented properly (what happens to the players on an affiliated minor league team if the league is rendered inactive, for example). Hopefully though, something like it will be there in OOTP2007.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

Excuse me. I'm new here. What is going on? It's a game, and it's fun.

Close. It's a game that used to be a lot of fun. It's still fun for some people. For some of us it's not. Each side doesn't care for the other side's viewpoint. That's what's going on.

[The Wolf]

The drift of this conversation has been fascinating.

None of you fantasy gamers seem to care in the least about the fact that PureSim is doing a better job of addressing the issues of historical simmer, but think that as long as you are happy with the game then everything is peachy-keen and that Charlie Hough and I and the other unhappy customers should just shut up and go away. Plus we should only be able to complain about any given problem only once.

And at the same time you really think that no one is trying to suppress any dissent?

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

If it's not going your way, if you are not having fun, then write it off and move on, is my advice.

Bad advice. If something you bought doesn't work the way you think it should then the correct approach before writing it off is to try to get the people who you bought it from to understand and address your concerns.

Which is what those of us, like Charlie Hough and me, who are unhappy but who have not yet gone so far as to completely write the game off and move on have been doing.

[Carplos]

I like how you're attempting to put yourself in the same class of poster as Charlie Hough.

[ey215]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

No, it isn't small. As the originator of that particular idea, there are a lot of aspects to that idea which would need to be fleshed out before it could be implemented properly (what happens to the players on an affiliated minor league team if the league is rendered inactive, for example). Hopefully though, something like it will be there in OOTP2007.

Like I said, I assumed it wasn't small. I only hoped that Markus had something up his sleeve that made it so

[canadiancreed]

Originally Posted by Green & Gold Heart

Hey, I'm married to one. Programmers are super hawt! :randy:

This folks, is a smart woman. Listen to her wise words.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

And at the same time you really think that no one is trying to suppress any dissent?

I guess I am in between a historical and fictional player. I started with real players and playing out all of my games have had my league move towards fictional. Currently playing my 13th season and still have plenty of real players in the league. I'm not really biased for or against either "side"(?). I do want the game to work well for anyone that plays it. I know there are historical players that are playing and having fun with the game so like anything else it is an individual thing. Really no different than the fictional player that won't play because of 6.5 things that are not in v2006. Yes, there are guys like that too, so to think all fictional players are happy is wrong.


Having said all that I wonder what power these "supressors" have over you or others that air their problems with the game? Why do you let them have the power when there is none there for them to have? The only people that have power over you and can ban you is SI, Markus, or moderators. I have not seen anyone banned unless they broke the posted rules which has pretty much come down to swearing and name calling, not dissent.


It's a message board like any other I frequent. Some are jerks some are not. When people post there will be replies, some are well thought out some are not. Some you will like others you won't. I know some don't like your responses and I know you don't like theirs As long as neither of you breaks the forum rules it sounds like the field is level.

[canadiancreed]

Originally Posted by Eugene Church

I have been on this board for four years.

I respectfully disagree with your accessment.

The board does not have serious problems.

It is not falling apart.

It just has a few problem members that don't seem to understand how to disagree in a courteous manner.

"

as EC, dougiation, and many others have stated, please stay on topic, or the OT board awaits your witty jabs, slings and arrows.

So anyone have any other suggestions for potential items that shoudl be looked at?

[Faroo6]

Originally Posted by thbroman

Here's the suggestion that I like the most.

The aging algorithm is the other one to tweak.

Bookmarking is already in the game, its definitely the easiest way to tighten up the interface.

[andymac]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

The drift of this conversation has been fascinating.

None of you fantasy gamers seem to care in the least about the fact that PureSim is doing a better job of addressing the issues of historical simmer, but think that as long as you are happy with the game then everything is peachy-keen and that Charlie Hough and I and the other unhappy customers should just shut up and go away. Plus we should only be able to complain about any given problem only once.

And at the same time you really think that no one is trying to suppress any dissent?

I find it interesting that you continue to talk about how PureSim is better yet you are here complaining instead of playing PureSim.

The reason that "suggestions" such as yours and Charlies are not often received well is because you are taking issues that the community knows about and are considered issues and throwing around words like "game-breaking" or "unacceptable". "It is unacceptable to have fictional players in minor leagues"..."it is a game-breaking problem to have someone retire at the age of 36 even though they still have decent ratings, etc".

Those aren't game-breaking issues...at least not to any sensible gamer. They are things people would like addressed if possible, but if they are causing you to hate the game and/or completely stop playing then maybe that is what you should do. There are many around here trying to help improve this game without making demanding statements or writing open letters to the developers. It seems that you are the one that is only treating these type of threads as being here to serve you and exactly the way that you play the game.

There are threads in the suggestion forum that have been created to get every possible suggestion into a spreadsheet where it can be examined and weighed to determine what Markus will attack first. This is the discussion forum and if you can't handle suggestions that are going to be discussed instead of absent-mindedly agreed to then keep yours over there and quit leaning on your "fanboy" crutch since that is pretty much just your way of trying to "suppress" those around here who can like a game that isn't perfect.

[Hellion9]

Originally Posted by andymac

I find it interesting that you continue to talk about how PureSim is better yet you are here complaining instead of playing PureSim.

The reason that "suggestions" such as yours and Charlies are not often received well is because you are taking issues that the community knows about and are considered issues and throwing around words like "game-breaking" or "unacceptable". "It is unacceptable to have fictional players in minor leagues"..."it is a game-breaking problem to have someone retire at the age of 36 even though they still have decent ratings, etc".

Those aren't game-breaking issues...at least not to any sensible gamer. They are things people would like addressed if possible, but if they are causing you to hate the game and/or completely stop playing then maybe that is what you should do. There are many around here trying to help improve this game without making demanding statements or writing open letters to the developers. It seems that you are the one that is only treating these type of threads as being here to serve you and exactly the way that you play the game.

There are threads in the suggestion forum that have been created to get every possible suggestion into a spreadsheet where it can be examined and weighed to determine what Markus will attack first. This is the discussion forum and if you can't handle suggestions that are going to be discussed instead of absent-mindedly agreed to then keep yours over there and quit leaning on your "fanboy" crutch since that is pretty much just your way of trying to "suppress" those around here who can like a game that isn't perfect.

Precisely - I do, however, regret sinking to the level of arguing with these people. I must try and remember my own advice - if I don't like reading the same thing over and over again, I can simply skip it.

Cheers