So what are you going to do Marc.

[elmerlee]

This post has been deleted because it did not follow the forum rules.

[D Love]

In before the 3 posts pointing out that the tone of this email will get you no where (particularly criticizing Marc by making unsubstantiated assumptions and putting words in his mouth), the 2 posts saying that the demo does work, it's only a problem for those who downloaded the earlier 14-day demo, the 1 post telling you to just suck it up and pay $30 for the friggin game, the 2 posts saying "why not just get totally finished being concerned about it and move on?" and then the lock.

Originally Posted by elmerlee

Are you going to extend the patch or not? Enough already.
To tell the truth I am about finished being concerned about it. If you now know how to do so it seems to me avoiding the fix could mean you don't feel the patched game well provide a positive customer response. So-no income benifit.
I really want to BUY the game but it is just foolish to do so with all the complaints. You say to not believe what you read and see for yourself. How can someone do that when it cannot be demoed?

[fauteuil7]

So people who have the game are complaining, and people who don't have the game are also complaining?

[silvam14]

I don't know, I just thought Marc made it very clear what the schedule was before he was going to sit down and assess patch 1.0.3.

This post seems to be a little too late if you ask me, which then only leads me to one conclusion about the intention of the poster.......

[Bluenoser]

Originally Posted by elmerlee

Are you going to extend the patch or not? Enough already.
To tell the truth I am about finished being concerned about it. If you now know how to do so it seems to me avoiding the fix could mean you don't feel the patched game well provide a positive customer response. So-no income benifit.
I really want to BUY the game but it is just foolish to do so with all the complaints. You say to not believe what you read and see for yourself. How can someone do that when it cannot be demoed?

If nothing else, I hope this has taught you a lesson about patience - as in when 2007 comes out, wait a while before downloading the demo. Wait until the game has been in the hands of the end user for a couple of weeks and see if in fact it has serious bugs. If so, then don't trial the demo until after there have been patches fixing said bugs.

On an aside, I think "all the complaints" you mention aren't nearly as bad as you make it sound. This game is very stable and playable now.

[plus1handicap]

Originally Posted by BruceM

If nothing else, I hope this has taught you a lesson about patience - as in when 2007 comes out, wait a while before downloading the demo. Wait until the game has been in the hands of the end user for a couple of weeks and see if in fact it has serious bugs. If so, then don't trial the demo until after there have been patches fixing said bugs.

On an aside, I think "all the complaints" you mention aren't nearly as bad as you make it sound. This game is very stable and playable now.

No offense to anyone here, and I am certainly not in the boat of the first poster nor do I support him - but a demo shouldn't be released unless it is ready. I (like many others I am sure) "rushed" out to try it because we want the game. And the "other" baseball sim allows you to play one season - spring training to spring training - as many times as you want with modification restrictions in place. Why can't OOTP do the same?

Edit: and to clarify - the "other" sim is not in consideration nor in the same ballpark of excellance as the OOTP series.

[Bluenoser]

Originally Posted by plus1handicap

but a demo shouldn't be released unless it is ready.

You're right, a demo shouldn't be released until it's ready. However, since I am not in a position to control that, I was merely offering advice on what to do next year.


What's scarey though is this - the amount of whining would triple if they release the game and not a demo at the same time. Just imagine if they release the game on Apr 1st, then go through 1 1/2 months of locating, fixing bugs and releasing patches and then release a demo say May 20th. The amount of posts with "The game is out, why can't we get a demo? waaa waaa waaa" would be unbearable.

[APujols5]

Originally Posted by BruceM

If nothing else, I hope this has taught you a lesson about patience - as in when 2007 comes out, wait a while before downloading the demo. Wait until the game has been in the hands of the end user for a couple of weeks and see if in fact it has serious bugs. If so, then don't trial the demo until after there have been patches fixing said bugs.

On an aside, I think "all the complaints" you mention aren't nearly as bad as you make it sound. This game is very stable and playable now.

Quite possibly THE dumbest statement I have read on this forum ever! If SI releases a playable demo then why or how are the consumers to know they need to wait to download it? with the excitement of a new release people will always want to see what's changed? what's new? and want to jump in and see the game

[Bluenoser]

Originally Posted by APujols5

Quite possibly THE dumbest statement I have read on this forum ever! If SI releases a playable demo then why or how are the consumers to know they need to wait to download it? with the excitement of a new release people will always want to see what's changed? what's new? and want to jump in and see the game

See my follow up post.

Advice is free, if you don't like it, don't read it. The suggestion was not "dumb", it was realistic. Since they (SI Sports) decide to release the demo at or about the same time as the game, then people should expect it to be buggy too. In order to avoid the bugs, wait until they are fixed to download the demo. Pretty simple and logical advice.

As far as "How are people to know they need to wait". No one "needs" to wait, (my advice was just a suggestion, take it or leave it) they can download on release, but don't come here and whine because there are bugs. Name me one single game that's released completely bug free. That's how the consumers are to know - history speaks for itself.

[APujols5]

Considering the fact the demo was released at the time of the first patch. if i had been waiting on a demo, I would have certainly assumed it would be in a much more solid shape than it was

[Bluenoser]

Originally Posted by APujols5

Considering the fact the demo was released at the time of the first patch. if i had been waiting on a demo, I would have certainly assumed it would be in a much more solid shape than it was

I'll try to explain it to you in simple terms:

1. It's common knowledge that new releases of games have bugs. It's expected and unavoidable

2. It's common knowledge that different companies have different policies on the length of their demo's (The fact that SI even changed their policy from 14 to 30 days is something to be thankful for. The fact they are still trying to help people stuck on the 14 day demo is amazing. Many companies don't even offer a demo at all anymore)

3. It's common knowledge that one should follow the forums of the developer of a game to see where the game is at in terms of playability and bugs. Anyone spending a bit of time reading these forums would know there were still problems after the 1st patch.


Being armed with the above knowledge, my suggestion is one that should certainly warrant consideration when making the decision on when to download the demo. I didn't say customers "need" to know. All I'm saying is use some common sense.

Coming to the developers forum and slinging insults at them is not conducive to getting what one wants. In fact it's counter productive.

[plus1handicap]

Originally Posted by BruceM

You're right, a demo shouldn't be released until it's ready. However, since I am not in a position to control that, I was merely offering advice on what to do next year.


What's scarey though is this - the amount of whining would triple if they release the game and not a demo at the same time. Just imagine if they release the game on Apr 1st, then go through 1 1/2 months of locating, fixing bugs and releasing patches and then release a demo say May 20th. The amount of posts with "The game is out, why can't we get a demo? waaa waaa waaa" would be unbearable.

I agree completely. Thanks for the tips - I appreciate it if others don't.

Great community here for help, advice, knowledge ect.

[D Love]

Originally Posted by fauteuil7

So people who have the game are complaining, and people who don't have the game are also complaining?

Why not? The majority of those who have the game are now happy, so we need to find new people to complain from somewhere.

[Marc Duffy]

Originally Posted by elmerlee

Are you going to extend the patch or not? Enough already.
To tell the truth I am about finished being concerned about it. If you now know how to do so it seems to me avoiding the fix could mean you don't feel the patched game well provide a positive customer response. So-no income benifit.
I really want to BUY the game but it is just foolish to do so with all the complaints. You say to not believe what you read and see for yourself. How the h*ll can someone do that when it cannot be demoed?

Maybe I'm missing something here, but I thought there was a thread about this issue and one of my most recent (and important) posts can be found

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...5&postcount=31

[Raidergoo]

Originally Posted by D Love

Why not? The majority of those who have the game are now happy, so we need to find new people to complain from somewhere.

You are exactly right. We need new complainers. Hope we get a crop of good ones. It will make the game better. Look what the last batch of complainers got done.

[battists]

Poster warned / post deleted for cursing, not for criticizing the game.

Please do not quote posts that have profanity. I edited them out this time, but it's clearly in the curse words policy that quoting curse words is warnable as well.

[Dr. Walter Doodah]

Originally Posted by battists

Poster warned / post deleted for cursing, not for criticizing the game.

Please do not quote posts that have profanity. I edited them out this time, but it's clearly in the curse words policy that quoting curse words is warnable as well.

That's only a bad word if you're Christian, though. Can I still use it if I'm not religious?

[battists]

Originally Posted by Dr. Walter Doodah

That's only a bad word if you're Christian, though. Can I still use it if I'm not religious?

No.



I don't mean that in a mean-spirited way. I mean, the goal is that, no matter what your religion, you should be able to read these forums with your 10-year old child. There's no reason all of us adults shouldn't be able to write a several-paragraph post without resorting to even "borderline" curse words...

Like the policy says, "just take the decision out of the moderator's hands by simply not using that kind of language."

[Dagrims]

Originally Posted by APujols5

Quite possibly THE dumbest statement I have read on this forum ever!

What about compared to this followed by this and this?

[<Pion>]

Originally Posted by Dagrims

What about compared to this followed by this and this?

ROFL!