Wild pitches...

jbsnadb · 06-26-2006, 02:29 AM

Just in case anyone was wondering why wild pitches needed to be fixed in this game...This was how my last game ended in the 10th. Two straight pitches? Riiiiiiiiggggggggghhhhhhhhhhtttttttttt!

jbergey22 · 06-26-2006, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by jbsnadb

Just in case anyone was wondering why wild pitches needed to be fixed in this game...This was how my last game ended in the 10th. Two straight pitches? Riiiiiiiiggggggggghhhhhhhhhhtttttttttt!

I was 8 years old when Ron Davis was the closer for the Twins(85). I used to listen to every game on the radio, and this was a common thing for that fool. One game I remember he walked the bases loaded, then beaned in the winning run. Real piece of work.

Back to the topic at hand, I do agree with you however. WP's are too frequent.

mrbill · 06-26-2006, 03:21 AM

In my crusade against anecdotal evidence, just tonight Julio threw two wild pitches in the same at bat to let a runner score. Luckily it was a 3 run game so I still got the save on my fantasy team.

Give me season totals for wild pitches and compare them to the WP ratings for pitchers in your leagues (if OOTP 2006 still has that). If not, the totals will work, to compare against the MLB.

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Originally Posted by boxscore tonight

- T. Murphy struck out looking
- C. Figgins walked
- C. Figgins stole second
- C. Figgins to third on wild pitch
- C. Figgins scored on wild pitch
- M. Napoli walked

Questdog · 06-26-2006, 04:08 AM

WP frequency is already editable....

tysok · 06-26-2006, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Questdog

WP frequency is already editable....

Like I said somewhere else on the same boards... unless you're doing something cutomized, importing a league from a different version, or using customized roster sets... you shouldn't have to fiddle with modifiers or anything else so it puts up reasonable statistics.

That being said, we don't know anything about the league for this example, and one game is not enough data. I listened to the game Mr. Bill was talking about, and I know of at least one more occurence in real MLB this year where such a thing has occurred (I have xm radio and listen to as many games as I possibly can). Year end stats aren't the ONLY thing to consider sometimes (not sure about WP), but need far more data than just a one game example.

Fibonacci · 06-26-2006, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jbsnadb

Just in case anyone was wondering why wild pitches needed to be fixed in this game...This was how my last game ended in the 10th. Two straight pitches? Riiiiiiiiggggggggghhhhhhhhhhtttttttttt!

10th inning, huh? The first question popping into my mind, is how tired is the pitcher? As tysok said, there isn't enough info here to make a reasoned judgement. In my limited play, (just a handful of seasons as as I learn the game and wait for patch 2), I haven't noticed any problems with the number of wild pitches.

tysok · 06-26-2006, 10:49 AM

I did some work with pitching the other day, looking at stat totals for everything from pitches thrown to innings pitched... All of that info is here:
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=124924

In there is also Wild Pitches. In the MLB, 2005 there were a total of 1,439 wild pitches. In my test season of the game there were 1,814. The game threw 375 more Wild Pitches than real MLB had in 2005.
There were 1,546 in 2003. 1,494 in 2002.
That's a considerable number more, but one season is not an overly good sample size. When I have more time I'm going to look at another season, but who knows when that will be.

CBL-Commish · 06-26-2006, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by tysok

The game threw 375 more Wild Pitches than real MLB had in 2005.

That's one extra wild pitch per 6.5 games. Not exactly earth-shattering.

tysok · 06-26-2006, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by CBL-Commish

That's one extra wild pitch per 6.5 games. Not exactly earth-shattering.

In the post I linked to it also mentions 400 extra triples and 400 extra HRs as compared with MLB. That would come out basically the same, looking at those the same as you did for WP.

So no it's not earth shattering, but it really should be brought a little closer in line. The "who knows when" is going to be today... I'm running a sim of another season right now and will look at those numbers compared to an average of 2004 2005 MLB.

The first season seems to always be a little off anyhow... we'll see what comes of season 2 in a few hours.

tysok · 06-26-2006, 02:22 PM

Finished the second season worth of data.
The average of 2004 and 2005 MLB for wild pitches was 1,457.5
The average for 2 seasons of game data is 1,787.5

The game throws (average for the above years) 330 more wild pitches than reality.

mrbill · 06-26-2006, 03:08 PM

I'm sure this is harder to find, but whats the WP expectation based on the WP ratings of each pitcher and how many pitches they threw? As in, does the ratings and stats line up?

tysok · 06-26-2006, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mrbill

I'm sure this is harder to find, but whats the WP expectation based on the WP ratings of each pitcher and how many pitches they threw? As in, does the ratings and stats line up?

I dunno... the only way to find that rating (that I can find) is to look in the editor for each and every pitcher. Too time intensive for me... but I'll take a quick look at the WP leaders in the league...

Wild pitch (per 550 BF) - Actual thrown - BF
09 - 25 - 976
14 - 24 - 751
12 - 23 - 875
13 - 19 - 557
05 - 18 - 747
skipping around a bit now
05 - 14 - 1056
04 - 11 - 1040
04 - 10 - 1056
12 - 09 - 161
04 - 08 - 1003
04 - 07 - 1029

Some do and some don't, for those that don't they really really don't.

Can't find any other stat that looks like an effect though... control is spread all over the board, stuff is spread out. The only thing that might be is (probably) about 75% of the high WP totals also have movement higher than control... whatever that might turn out to be.
A few of these guys are also some of the best pitchers in the league, for whatever that's worth. One is 21-9 with a 1.2 WHIP and 2.96 ERA. He's the 05-14-1056 guy mentioned above.

With the cool stats split options I can tell you that most WPs were thrown on the road, on grass.

And most were at night!

jbsnadb · 06-26-2006, 05:56 PM

Okay, I will grant you that looking back on my pitcher's info, his "control" rating is only 6 (on a 1-20) scale, but he came on and threw a pair of wild pitches on a whopping...

Two total pitches in the appearance.

In 34 appearances for the season, he's 1-0 with 1 SV, 6H, 0BS, 34.1 IP, a 2.36 ERA, 21BB, 17K, 1.36WHIP, 7WP.

mrbill · 06-26-2006, 11:35 PM

tysok, your numbers pretty much all look high for the randomly selected pitchers (don't take the leaders, they're obviously the high end of the bell curve). But, the random ones show a slight bias toward more WP than the rating would imply.

jb, whats the guy's WP rating per 550 BF? I mean, Danny Cabrera threw 4 in one game this week, and he threw 9 all of last year.

battists · 07-17-2006, 01:33 PM

Guys, I'm going to ahead and close this thread for now. We are aware of two bugs related to wild pitches:

#2138, which specifically dealt with high wild pitch ratings in historical leagues

#1742, in which wild pitch ratings did not import correctly in imported 6.5 leagues

Both of these issues have been claimed fixed in the next patch, so let's see what happens with the next version.

Thanks very much.

Steve

06-26-2006, 03:08 PM	#11
mrbill All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: LA, CA Posts: 982	I'm sure this is harder to find, but whats the WP expectation based on the WP ratings of each pitcher and how many pitches they threw? As in, does the ratings and stats line up? __________________ UBL - Best Online League Evar! - Los Angeles Dodgers: 25 seasons, 13 NL West titles, 4 WC, 8 NL Titles, 5-time Champs LBB v5 league (retired) - Detroit Tigers/Commish: 19 seasons, 18 straight AL Central titles, 2006, 2008, 2014, 2015 Champs! NGBL v6 league (dead) - Texas Rangers: 10 seasons, 4 AL South titles, 2 Wild Cards, one WS app

06-26-2006, 05:56 PM	#13
jbsnadb All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,098	Okay, I will grant you that looking back on my pitcher's info, his "control" rating is only 6 (on a 1-20) scale, but he came on and threw a pair of wild pitches on a whopping... Two total pitches in the appearance. In 34 appearances for the season, he's 1-0 with 1 SV, 6H, 0BS, 34.1 IP, a 2.36 ERA, 21BB, 17K, 1.36WHIP, 7WP. __________________ "And as I wander with my music through the jungles of Despair, my kid will learn guitar and find a street corner somewhere. There he'll make the silence listen to the dream behind the voice, and show his minstrel Hamlet daddy that there only was one choice."

06-26-2006, 11:35 PM	#14
mrbill All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: LA, CA Posts: 982	tysok, your numbers pretty much all look high for the randomly selected pitchers (don't take the leaders, they're obviously the high end of the bell curve). But, the random ones show a slight bias toward more WP than the rating would imply. jb, whats the guy's WP rating per 550 BF? I mean, Danny Cabrera threw 4 in one game this week, and he threw 9 all of last year. __________________ UBL - Best Online League Evar! - Los Angeles Dodgers: 25 seasons, 13 NL West titles, 4 WC, 8 NL Titles, 5-time Champs LBB v5 league (retired) - Detroit Tigers/Commish: 19 seasons, 18 straight AL Central titles, 2006, 2008, 2014, 2015 Champs! NGBL v6 league (dead) - Texas Rangers: 10 seasons, 4 AL South titles, 2 Wild Cards, one WS app

06-26-2006, 02:29 AM	#1
jbsnadb All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,098	Wild pitches... Just in case anyone was wondering why wild pitches needed to be fixed in this game...This was how my last game ended in the 10th. Two straight pitches? Riiiiiiiiggggggggghhhhhhhhhhtttttttttt! Attached Images __________________ "And as I wander with my music through the jungles of Despair, my kid will learn guitar and find a street corner somewhere. There he'll make the silence listen to the dream behind the voice, and show his minstrel Hamlet daddy that there only was one choice." Last edited by jbsnadb; 06-26-2006 at 02:31 AM.

06-26-2006, 04:08 AM	#4
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142	WP frequency is already editable....

06-26-2006, 10:49 AM	#7
tysok Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,925	I did some work with pitching the other day, looking at stat totals for everything from pitches thrown to innings pitched... All of that info is here: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=124924 In there is also Wild Pitches. In the MLB, 2005 there were a total of 1,439 wild pitches. In my test season of the game there were 1,814. The game threw 375 more Wild Pitches than real MLB had in 2005. There were 1,546 in 2003. 1,494 in 2002. That's a considerable number more, but one season is not an overly good sample size. When I have more time I'm going to look at another season, but who knows when that will be.

06-26-2006, 02:22 PM	#10
tysok Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,925	Finished the second season worth of data. The average of 2004 and 2005 MLB for wild pitches was 1,457.5 The average for 2 seasons of game data is 1,787.5 The game throws (average for the above years) 330 more wild pitches than reality.

07-17-2006, 01:33 PM	#15
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506	Guys, I'm going to ahead and close this thread for now. We are aware of two bugs related to wild pitches: #2138, which specifically dealt with high wild pitch ratings in historical leagues #1742, in which wild pitch ratings did not import correctly in imported 6.5 leagues Both of these issues have been claimed fixed in the next patch, so let's see what happens with the next version. Thanks very much. Steve