Non-MLB Leagues Project

[JPBBDB]

All leagues with info now have stats and rosters. Other than trying to locate bio info for the Cuban players, there really isn’t anything more to do except for wait until the game is out.

rocknfire7 and jihaekor,
Thanks for the corrections.

Sljchung,
I’m looking forward to it. I have two-and-a-half questions, though; have you included the players from the farm league and have you gathered stats as well, if not could you include the player’s CPBL player number (Pno) as a field in your spreadsheet and I’ll gather them.

aewin,
That would be great, on both accounts; could you attach the file(s) to your post. By the way, do you happen to know just how the Australian Provincial roster is selected? Last year there were 7 players from Victoria on the team, is this because the team didn’t have enough players. The field looks nice; it is to the east of the industrial park right?

LGO,
The missing games in the NPB’s Eastern League will likely be made up in September with the rained out games. Compare the 2005 schedule (September) with games played (all teams, except Rakuten, are within 50 miles of each other so travel time isn't a concern). My guess is that the games played will be something like this (bolded are my guesses):

         M     i     Sr    E     F     G     S     IL    Gm
Marines  00    15    16    15    18    15    17    00    96
Invoice  15    00    16    17    15    15    16    02    96
Searex   16    16    00    17    16    15    16    00    96
Eagles   15    17    17    00    16    15    16    00    96
Fighters 18    15    16    16    00    15    16    00    96
Giants   15    15    15    15    15    00    15    06    96
Swallows 17    16    16    16    16    15    00    00    96

Another correction is that the Italian Serie-A1 will play with only 9 teams this year and will regulate 3 teams this year to get down to 8 for the 2007 season.

Thanks.
Michael Eng

[aewin]

Originally Posted by JPBBDB

aewin,
That would be great, on both accounts; could you attach the file(s) to your post. By the way, do you happen to know just how the Australian Provincial roster is selected? Last year there were 7 players from Victoria on the team, is this because the team didn’t have enough players. The field looks nice; it is to the east of the industrial park right?

Attached .txt file to earlier post. The .doc file is too big (~450K) to upload. Email me on aewin@bigpond.net.au and I will reply with .doc file attached.

As for the rest:

1) Australian Provincial Roster

Any player from the ACT and NT or anyone who plays in a non metro competition is eligible for the team. In addition the team can select two players from metro leagues to supplement the roster. In the case of Victoria, their winter league is run by the provincial association and not the VBA. As such virtually every player that plays in Melbourne is eligible for the provincial team.

Moving forward, the ABF has changed the selection criteria to allow the provincial team to have first choice on NT and ACT players, and then may select the best of the rest from all the other states. From now on, players will not have to fulfill this provincial/country affiliation requirement. The team may even change names to something like Australia development.

2) Baseball Park location

On the eastern side of Nicholson Road just south of the intersection with Roe Hwy.

3) State League stats for WA players and others

WA
http://www.wa.baseball.com.au/defaul...e_Stats/2524/0

NSW
http://www.swbl.baseball.com.au/defa...0,Stats/1733/0
http://www.nswml.baseball.com.au/def...0,Stats/2314/0

QLD
http://www.qld.baseball.com.au/site/...%202005-06.xls

VIC
http://www.baseballvictoria.com.au/ (site down when I looked)

SA
http://www.sa.baseball.com.au/?Page=20084 (not currently available)

[sljchung]

Originally Posted by JPBBDB

sljchung,
I’m looking forward to it. I have two-and-a-half questions, though; have you included the players from the farm league and have you gathered stats as well, if not could you include the player’s CPBL player number (Pno) as a field in your spreadsheet and I’ll gather them.

Sorry about the delay...

At the bottom of my CPBL post, I've included the full opening roster of 150 players. I haven't gather their stats yet, so I included their Pno under the last column (Residence column).

The CPBL farm league will become a bit trouble to OOTPB2006 as it is not complete yet. Only 2 teams in CPBL has their own farm team right now. The remaining 4 teams form 2 farm teams, which include 2 parent team each... As far as I remembered, this cannot be achieved in OOTPB2006...

[kageboshi]

I wanted to point out two things...

The first is that, there would be no point in having accurate Winter-league rosters unless we are planning to play in a universe were only winter leagues exist...

In the real world around 90%(yeah I know i pulled this number out of my @$$ but I think im close ) of the players that play in the winter leagues play in other leagues during the summer if you guys are planning to create rosters for all the leagues you would have to create let's say two Miguel Tejadas(one that plays for the baltimore orioles and one that plays for cibao Eagles... two Miguel Cabreras, two Krod's... and when this players turn into free agents, it'll be a complete mess...so I'm not sure how you guys are planning to handdle that.

The other thing is that Clay davenport of baseball prospectus has calculated MLQeq's for most of these leagues... according to these articles...

http://baseballprospectus.com/articl...articleid=4809

http://baseballprospectus.com/articl...articleid=4812

he has calculated MLBeq's for the Cuban(somewhere aroudn high A), Korean(around AA), Japanese(around AAA) leagues, I think he also has the MLBeq's for the Italian and Australian leagues, but i'd have to check that out... I'm not sure if he would be willing to share this info with you guys though it would be kind of cool if we had it though.

[JPBBDB]

sljchung,

I have downloaded stats for all the CPBL players.

kageboshi,

Yeah, how winter leagues will be handled was a bit of a disappointment (the project was started before that information was revealed).

Looking over BP's rosters (here under wbc~) only the leagues included seem to be the ***, Mexican, Cuban, winter leagues (2003 only) and certain KBO players.

Michael Eng

[sljchung]

Originally Posted by JPBBDB

sljchung,

I have downloaded stats for all the CPBL players.

Wow... cool.

May I ask you how did you do it? You certainly didn't do it by hand, do you?

[JPBBDB]

sljchung,

I used a download manager to download these two pages (with Kuo Yung-Chih as an example) for each Pno:

http://www.cpbl.com.tw/personal_Rec/...094&pbatpage=1
http://www.cpbl.com.tw/personal_Rec/...094&pbatpage=2

I also downloaded the pages for the league's past players from here. I still haven't gotten each player's yearly fielding stats however.

Michael Eng

[sljchung]

Originally Posted by JPBBDB

I used a download manager to download these two pages (with Kuo Yung-Chih as an example) for each Pno:

D'oh! You pick the wrong player! Well, you only got 1/6 chance to pick the right one, so I won't blame you...

I was actually wondering how you gonna put all those stats from html pages into a spreadsheet or something. I guess you haven't started it then.

[sljchung]

Originally Posted by JPBBDB

I also downloaded the pages for the league's past players from here. I still haven't gotten each player's yearly fielding stats however.

Yes, the link is the right place to get players who are not playing anymore.

Btw, the fielding stats are actually included in the pages you downloaded already.

Using the the player you picked as an example, his pitching stats is the 1st table, which span into 2 pages.

The 2nd table is his fielding stats and you might notice that they are exactly the same on both pages (probably because there aren't that many things to record for fielding).

The 3rd table is the highest single game record. I'm not sure whether all these numbers come from one single game or each column may come from different ones though. Of course, this table will look good for batters and horrible for pitchers...

The 4th table is the v.s. record (on team basis). It looks to me that it only holds the stats of the current season.

[kageboshi]

Originally Posted by JPBBDB

sljchung,

I have downloaded stats for all the CPBL players.

kageboshi,

Yeah, how winter leagues will be handled was a bit of a disappointment (the project was started before that information was revealed).

Looking over BP's rosters (here under wbc~) only the leagues included seem to be the ***, Mexican, Cuban, winter leagues (2003 only) and certain KBO players.

Michael Eng

I see, I think that from the info that we have of those leagues and the MLBeq's that Davenport uploaded of some of the players we can kind of guess what are the MLBeq's of that league for BA, HR and that stuff...

[ozziethesaint]

I am offering any help I can give in this project. I can get alot of info on the Italian A1 League. My Youngest brother is currently the closer for the Godo Team

[boilermaker]

Bump for awesomeness.

[JPBBDB]

I have not had access to the computer with the player data on it and, as such, I have not been able to work on this project nor do I know when I will to get back to it.

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Cuban League, Winter Leagues, Park Factors, and Baseball Quality
Since the Universe must start on Jan. 1, it might be best for the Cuban League to not commence play until the 06/07 season, with the league's history through the 05/06 season. It likely wouldn't affect the world as there will be little, if any, player movement between this and any leagues during 2006.

Since winter leagues are not winter leagues, at least in modern sense, I propose the release of two sets. One with the leagues and one without with the all players that would otherwise not be included becoming free agents.

Also, I would guess that individual park factors would be impossible for all of the leagues since stats at the game-level are usually not available.

For those with the game and for critiquing, I have attached a listing of prospective "baseball quality" levels for nations.

Michael Eng

[CubbyFan23]

This is an amazing thread. I was hoping to eventually include all leagues and players in our roster set but could not find a lot of the info anywhere. Great work compiling all of this, I'm wow'ed.

[Matter2003]

You would be more than welcome to use my logos if you wish...

[Kelric]

Live little thread, live.

[sljchung]

Originally Posted by Kelric

Live little thread, live.

Yeah, it's pity that nobody seems to have time to put all these information together...

On the other hand, this thread will never die, as the information are still here, available for everyone. Personally, I visited this thread a few times to get team names, etc. to set up my private Asian professional baseball world.

[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by Kelric

Live little thread, live.

Uh, bump. I think that's the term used to keep a thread alive by moving it back up the current charts.

Prior to patch 1.02, I got a lot of information about international and independent leagues from this thread. I noticed that with 1.02 they had "Improved default league settings for included real leagues." I would like to know whether people have seen good results from these default rules, options, and financial settings? Anything they would change from default?

I want to thank the folks who contributed to this thread and thereby to my enjoyment of the game. As a token of my appreciation to them, and as a quick reference to others setting up foreign and independent leagues, I offer the data that I compiled on team names, city locations, stadium names, and capacities.

Sorry, I did not do stadium dimensions for the most part. I also improvised here and there, but I tried to note it whenever that happened. I don't claim to be 100% accurate, as some of this stuff is really hard to dig up, but it's a good start, I think.

[enuttage]

Great thread here, folks. I'm using this to help me figure out where in the world baseball is actually prevalent, and then forming my league based on those conclusions.

This has helped me quite a bit in 'finding directions' around the baseball playing world.

Thank you.

[Charlie Hough]

Originally Posted by JPBBDB

League: Korean Baseball Organization (KBO)


Salaries: The maximum salary for a player is $300,000 USD, including bonuses. A player, whose salary is $300,000 USD, may receive up to a 25% yearly increase. The average salary is probably around $60000 USD.

This is incorrect. According to the KBO website, these salary details apply only to foreign players. There is no restriction on salaries for Korean-born players. For example, Chong Min-tae is currently making over $600,000. See this link for the news article about his last contract signing.

Also, I believe that the minimum player salary in Korea is $16,000 per year. I found this in a dissertation about the current state of collective bargaining in the KBO, and this was published in 2003.