Player Evaluation: Fielding Broken? - Page 2

andymac · 06-21-2006, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Raidergoo

. . . and that's the way I coded it in Test Track.

Cool.

By the way, can you give us any input on what went into the MR trade value fix that is being listed as being in the next patch?

Raidergoo · 06-21-2006, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by andymac

Cool.

By the way, can you give us any input on what went into the MR trade value fix that is being listed as being in the next patch?

At the bare minimum, I can't test this for 7 hours. It may well be a problem. Your particular issue may better communicated by a person not under a NDA. There are several people with the latest build that fall into that catagory.

Raidergoo · 06-21-2006, 10:19 PM

I regret to inform you that on the advice of my lawyer, O' Donoghue Odom Nye, that it impossible to update you at this time.

andymac · 06-21-2006, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Raidergoo

I regret to inform you that on the advice of my lawyer, O' Donoghue Odom Nye, that it impossible to update you at this time.

Understood. Just please do update us when you can.

swampdragon · 06-22-2006, 10:41 AM

This is almost certainly related to the AI's playing players out of position.

Markus Heinsohn · 06-29-2006, 05:08 AM

FieldingValue is not used by the AI, they are fields that have been added early during development but were never used. Fielding value will be calculated when calculating the overall value and then factored into it.

Markus Heinsohn · 06-29-2006, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by redmarkYankees

However, Overall Value VSL and Overall Value VSR are NOT reduced in line with 'overall' Overall Value; they are the same as Pitching VSL/R.

These fields (vsl/vsr) are never used for pitchers by the AI. It's always the unadjusted pitching value vsl and vsr that gets used when splits are needed (in-game AI, setup reliever designation etc).

redmarkYankees · 06-29-2006, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

FieldingValue is not used by the AI, they are fields that have been added early during development but were never used. Fielding value will be calculated when calculating the overall value and then factored into it.

Well... I know you wrote it, but that's not what's happening, according to the information available.

According to the SQL, the actual output shows that Overall_Value = Offensive_Value, for all non-pitchers. Unless Fielding value is calculated and factored into Offensive_Value (which would seem odd, and not what you said), then fielding value is not being factored into Overall_Value at all.

Unless you mean an 'overall value' in-game different to the overall_value in the SQL, in which case I guess the SQL is worthless.

redmarkYankees · 06-29-2006, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

These fields (vsl/vsr) are never used for pitchers by the AI. It's always the unadjusted pitching value vsl and vsr that gets used when splits are needed (in-game AI, setup reliever designation etc).

Of course, I'd expect pitching-specific situations to use pitching_value. So does the AI not consider it's needs VSL and VSR at all in trade negotiations?

Vris · 06-30-2006, 01:29 PM

Just a bump so Markus sees these new questions.

dougaiton · 07-05-2006, 06:34 PM

Bumpety-bump. Does the SQL dump work?

Raidergoo · 07-09-2006, 01:32 AM

I think I've seen RonCo use a SQL database in screen shots in the beta forum, but I could be wrong.

This is a long winded bump. Anyone use this feature?

fantom1979 · 07-09-2006, 02:22 AM

I have used the SQL database for creating all time streak tables (hitting, hr, wins, etc) and to keep track of all time team standings ranked by winning pct.

dougaiton · 07-09-2006, 05:16 AM

Yeah, I've used the SQL dump as well. What I meant by broken is that Markus said that these fields do not affect each other, yet clearly in the SQL dump they seem to. So which is wrong? Markus (unlikely!) or the SQL dump process?

06-22-2006, 10:41 AM	#25
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06-30-2006, 01:29 PM	#30
Vris Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: somewhere where I don't know where I am Posts: 3,251	Just a bump so Markus sees these new questions. __________________ None Blog it.

07-05-2006, 06:34 PM	#31
dougaiton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Location: Posts: 3,414	Bumpety-bump. Does the SQL dump work? __________________ tThis shower of clowns My park-adjusted, historically split Born in '69 league file! (also at Joe's wonderful site +BBSC)

07-09-2006, 02:22 AM	#33
fantom1979 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 3,498	I have used the SQL database for creating all time streak tables (hitting, hr, wins, etc) and to keep track of all time team standings ranked by winning pct. __________________

07-09-2006, 05:16 AM	#34
dougaiton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Location: Posts: 3,414	Yeah, I've used the SQL dump as well. What I meant by broken is that Markus said that these fields do not affect each other, yet clearly in the SQL dump they seem to. So which is wrong? Markus (unlikely!) or the SQL dump process? __________________ tThis shower of clowns My park-adjusted, historically split Born in '69 league file! (also at Joe's wonderful site +BBSC)

06-21-2006, 10:19 PM	#23
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,005	I regret to inform you that on the advice of my lawyer, O' Donoghue Odom Nye, that it impossible to update you at this time.

06-29-2006, 05:08 AM	#26
Markus Heinsohn Developer OOTP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 24,805	FieldingValue is not used by the AI, they are fields that have been added early during development but were never used. Fielding value will be calculated when calculating the overall value and then factored into it.

07-09-2006, 01:32 AM	#32
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,005	I think I've seen RonCo use a SQL database in screen shots in the beta forum, but I could be wrong. This is a long winded bump. Anyone use this feature?