Ozzie Guillen = TOOL

RayofHope · 07-08-2006, 01:43 PM

And a dumb ass.

He claims he's "picking to win."

If that's the case, then which player do you take?:

1) AVG .312, HR 15, RBI 60, OBP .362, SLG .506, 1 SB, 16 2B, 0 3B, .972 fielding
2) AVG .322, HR 13, RBI 46, OBP .362, SLG .523, 32 SB, 12 2B, 7 3B, .988 fielding

Player 1 is hitting .308 over the last 8 games (8 for 26) with 0 homers, 3 RBI, 5 strike outs and 1 walk.

But, player 2 is hitting .471 over the last 8 games (16 for 32) with 3 homers, 9 RBI and 6 stolen bases.

Player 1 is 32 years old.

Player 2 is 24 and one of the most exciting young players in baseball.

Player 1 plays for Detroit.

Player 2 for Tampa Bay.

Player 1 is from Venezuela, Player 2 is from Texas.

Where is Manager of All-Star team from? Venezuela.

Douche.

MorseMoose · 07-08-2006, 02:00 PM

Everyone here could list players more deserving than Magglio or Carl Crawford.

RayofHope · 07-08-2006, 02:13 PM

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Everyone here could list players more deserving than Magglio or Carl Crawford.

Name one outfielder left off who's more deserving than Crawford.

Crawford's sure as hell more deserving than Mags, and a fair few of the other outfielders who were actually voted on.

But I'm not taking issue with the way the players are voted in, everyone hates that.

What I'm taking issue with is Ozzie Guillen being a lying dumb ass who claims he's picking to win, then takes Ordonez over a player who would help him win a hell of a lot more.

I know Mags and Guillen have a poor history, but the guy's just a prick.

canadiancreed · 07-08-2006, 02:17 PM

in other news, water is still wet

jaxmagicman · 07-08-2006, 02:18 PM

It depends would you rather pick a player that has a better career or one that has had a better half season? Would you rather pick players who have the ability to sell tickets or one that is not known that well?

mlyons · 07-08-2006, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RayofHope

Name one outfielder left off who's more deserving than Crawford.

How about Trot Nixon or Nick Swisher?

magnet · 07-08-2006, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

It depends would you rather pick a player that has a better career or one that has had a better half season? Would you rather pick players who have the ability to sell tickets or one that is not known that well?

It's the 2006 AllStar game, not the 200?-2006 Popularity Contest.

jaxmagicman · 07-08-2006, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by magnet

It's the 2006 AllStar game, not the 200?-2006 Popularity Contest.

Ok. It is for all-stars. What makes an all-star? One good half season?

drprestwood · 07-08-2006, 02:22 PM

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in other news, water is still wet

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mlyons · 07-08-2006, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by magnet

It's the 2006 AllStar game, not the 200?-2006 Popularity Contest.

Most popular is just as valid a definition of All-Star as most productive. You could even make an argument that, given the context of baseball's All-Star game, popularity should be a more important criterion than production. After all, if it was really about honoring the most productive players, shouldn't it happen at the end of the season, when that can be more accurately evaluated?

magnet · 07-08-2006, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

Ok. It is for all-stars. What makes an all-star? One good half season?

Yes.

jaxmagicman · 07-08-2006, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by magnet

Yes.

I disagree.

JDOldSchool · 07-08-2006, 02:30 PM

Wow, first Ozzie is accused of favoritism for picking guys he didn't even pick (Dye). Now he's accused of favoritism for picking a guy he doesn't even like.

Tough crowd.

magnet · 07-08-2006, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

I disagree.

So should we have the AS Game every 3-4 years so we have a sample size for everyone involved?

jaxmagicman · 07-08-2006, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by magnet

So should we have the AS Game every 3-4 years so we have a sample size for everyone involved?

No, I just think that when two guys have close productive numbers then maybe it is up to the manager to be able to use his discreation based on popularity and career.

They are close in production. About .7 in Win Shares above Replacement level. They are .20 away in Slg, tied in OBP. 2 homeruns away. 4 doubles.

magnet · 07-08-2006, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

No, I just think that when two guys have close productive numbers then maybe it is up to the manager to be able to use his discreation based on popularity and career.

They are close in production. About .7 in Win Shares above Replacement level. They are .20 away in Slg, tied in OBP. 2 homeruns away.

You and I will never agree on the bolded part.

JDOldSchool · 07-08-2006, 02:39 PM

Oh, and aside from how asinine it is to think Guillen is favoring Magglio, a guy he called a Venezuelen piece of **** last year, the arguments presented in this thread are heavily flawed.

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Originally Posted by RayofHope

Player 1 is hitting .308 over the last 8 games (8 for 26) with 0 homers, 3 RBI, 5 strike outs and 1 walk.

But, player 2 is hitting .471 over the last 8 games (16 for 32) with 3 homers, 9 RBI and 6 stolen bases.

This is not helping your argument. Picking ~30 at bats for each guy to judge the more deserving player is a bad idea.

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Player 1 is 32 years old.

Player 2 is 24 and one of the most exciting young players in baseball.

Are we picking a one-time-only team or drafting for the next five years?

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Player 1 plays for Detroit.

Player 2 for Tampa Bay.

Right, so I believe that when two players are close, the one whose team is in first place should be represented over the team in dead last.

jaxmagicman · 07-08-2006, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by magnet

You and I will never agree on the bolded part.

Yeah, probably.

One plays for one of the best teams in baseball and is putting up those numbers. One is playing on one of the worst teams in baseball putting up those numbers. Their number are equal. Besides, I would rather have 2 more homeruns and 4 more doubles than a bunch of stolen bases, if I was looking to seperate the players.

JDOldSchool · 07-08-2006, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

Yeah, probably.

One plays for one of the best teams in baseball and is putting up those numbers. One is playing on one of the worst teams in baseball putting up those numbers. Their number are equal. Besides, I would rather have 2 more homeruns and 4 more doubles than a bunch of stolen bases, if I was looking to seperate the players.

In fairness to Crawford, his 7 triples more than compensate for 4 fewer doubles.

Dagrims · 07-08-2006, 03:12 PM

I'd love to see a guy steal home in the All-Star game. That's not going to be Magglio.

07-08-2006, 01:43 PM	#1
RayofHope Minors (Triple A) Join Date: May 2003 Location: Centreville, VA Posts: 275	Ozzie Guillen = TOOL And a dumb ass. He claims he's "picking to win." If that's the case, then which player do you take?: 1) AVG .312, HR 15, RBI 60, OBP .362, SLG .506, 1 SB, 16 2B, 0 3B, .972 fielding 2) AVG .322, HR 13, RBI 46, OBP .362, SLG .523, 32 SB, 12 2B, 7 3B, .988 fielding Player 1 is hitting .308 over the last 8 games (8 for 26) with 0 homers, 3 RBI, 5 strike outs and 1 walk. But, player 2 is hitting .471 over the last 8 games (16 for 32) with 3 homers, 9 RBI and 6 stolen bases. Player 1 is 32 years old. Player 2 is 24 and one of the most exciting young players in baseball. Player 1 plays for Detroit. Player 2 for Tampa Bay. Player 1 is from Venezuela, Player 2 is from Texas. Where is Manager of All-Star team from? Venezuela. Douche.

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MorseMoose Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 6,023 Infractions: 1/1 (1)	Everyone here could list players more deserving than Magglio or Carl Crawford.

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JDOldSchool Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,023	Wow, first Ozzie is accused of favoritism for picking guys he didn't even pick (Dye). Now he's accused of favoritism for picking a guy he doesn't even like. Tough crowd.