First Time I Have Ever Been Angry!!

rhydymwyn · 06-21-2006, 04:04 PM

For the first time, any of SI's games has made me angry (without crashing). Either I took it too seriously, or I have not taken things seriously enough in the past. (More likely the latter!)

There I was, managing my team in the AA World Series, despite never knowing when I would lose which player who was playing too well at any given time. (See http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=124600) I go down 1-0 and September 1st rolls around. I lost all but two starting position players and a total of four pitchers! What kind of GM would do that? Sure, the 40-man expanded roster is turned on, but no real GM make major roster adjustments involving minor league teams in the thick of the playoffs (much less the championship) just to fill his optional roster. Only one of my players ended up on the ML roster-- everyone else went to my AAA affiliate who was not even in the hunt for a playoff spot.

Sure, it will not keep me from playing. And no, I am not still "mad". But c'mon!

I guess that was a rather longwinded and whiny way of saying the following: please tweak the AI.

Time to quit my *****ing and feed my addiction! (bypassing curse filter is not allowed.Admin)

Questdog · 06-21-2006, 04:08 PM

You can turn off the September roster expansion or, as I do, limit it to a few players....

TheoR · 06-21-2006, 04:09 PM

I don't know.... A few years ago, the Memphis Redbirds made it to the AAA World Series but the SL Cards still called up a bunch of their players.

zukes · 06-21-2006, 04:13 PM

I think GM's would do that, maybe not to the AAA team but they most certainly would take them out of a AA championship to get major league experience if they felt that it would aid more in that player's development. I doubt that it would help all 4 pitchers, but you just never know.

Riverdome · 06-21-2006, 04:16 PM

The Toledo Storm (ECHL hockey) lost their starting goalie in the middle of the playoffs this past season just so he could sit the bench in the AHL. Not the entire team but the starting goalie is a HUGE loss. The kid was at an AHL game that went into double overtime and then drove from Toronto, ON to Wheeling, WV so he could bail Toledo out of a jam in game 4 of a best of 5.

Sorry that went OT but it's such a great story.

Yes please tweek the AI to show some mercy to minor league teams in the playoff hunt. Or at the very least call up the highest quality lower level minor leaguers to help out.

Jason · 06-21-2006, 04:42 PM

Ironic you mentioned this because our local sports talk station had a former minor league announcer for the Mets organization on talking about how they had made the championships and then lost their four best hitters to the major leagues when rosters expanded.

Didn't the AI call people from single A to fill the roster?

Twelvefield · 06-21-2006, 04:48 PM

Playing as a minor league manager in OOTPB exceeds my capacity for patience. Until there's some fundamental changes in the gameplay for minor-league managers, I won't be touching that aspect of the game again. Fortunately, though, you have mnore control over your own destiny as a major-league GM/manager, so I do enjoy playing that part of the game.

Claymore · 06-21-2006, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dale And Eli's Dad

Ironic you mentioned this because our local sports talk station had a former minor league announcer for the Mets organization on talking about how they had made the championships and then lost their four best hitters to the major leagues when rosters expanded.

Didn't the AI call people from single A to fill the roster?

Yes, while you are losing your star players (it does happen from time to time), the Computer is giving you replacement, right?

Jules · 06-21-2006, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rhydymwyn

(bypassing curse filter is not allowed.Admin)

another example of inconsistent moderation

by the exact same mod no less

mrbill · 06-21-2006, 05:01 PM

Well, from what I'm reading, only 1 player went to the major league squad.

I'm guessing that the rest went to AAA, who were no longer playing or close to done playing. Probably just AI that says "must fill AAA, call up AA players".

The real question is, did the original AA guys get sent back to the AA team when the AA team played on through the playoffs and the AAA team packed it in for the year?

That would make the most sense.

zekester91 · 06-21-2006, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Claymore

Yes, while you are losing your star players (it does happen from time to time), the Computer is giving you replacement, right?

Not always, I've had the computer GM take 4 players from me and not give me anything back. And I've also had them sign one player a day for 15 days (low-level middle infeilders mostly, when I really needed a starting pitcher and catcher) and then fire them all come the first of the next month.

rhydymwyn · 06-21-2006, 05:16 PM

To address as many questions/issues as I can at once...

Cursing: er... sorry?

Roster Expansion: I want roster expansion on. In theory, it should make things more realistic.

Experience: I was heading into game two of the final series. Had the GM waited a week, the guys still could have had their AAA experience. (And the one guy who got to the Big Show could have had his day, too.)

Replacements: I received call-ups from A, but only two had any experience at the AA level. More helpful than no call-ups (we won), but still... I do not mind losing players midseason--that it supposed to happen to your best guys. And maybe one or two in the playoffs if the team directly above me on the chain is really in need. But in this situation, I feel it was inappropriate. (AAA team packed it in, but I had already emerged victorious with my call-ups... over another team of call-ups. Four players returned to AA roster.)

ECHL: A few years back, the Carolina Hurricanes called up Tripp Tracy to be an emergency backup goalie. They chose him from the ECHL (I think he was already a backup) so their AHL team would not suffer. He never played and took a cushy color commentary job shortly afterwards.

One more thing: None of the players returned to my roster before the awards were given out. None of my players won any awards. One of my players had consistently won Hitter of the Week awards, and they began to mention his candidacy for Hitter of the Year by the end. (Not sure why we was not called up sooner!) The guy who won had far lower stats in every meaningful category (I think he was caught stealing two fewer times) but was present on the AA roster when the award was announced.

Jules · 06-21-2006, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by rhydymwyn

Cursing: er... sorry?

It has nothing to do with you. I don't wish for you to get a warning and I apoligize if I came across that way.

Zitofan75 · 06-21-2006, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rhydymwyn

Replacements: I received call-ups from A, but only two had any experience at the AA level. More helpful than no call-ups (we won), but still... I do not mind losing players midseason--that it supposed to happen to your best guys. And maybe one or two in the playoffs if the team directly above me on the chain is really in need. But in this situation, I feel it was inappropriate. (AAA team packed it in, but I had already emerged victorious with my call-ups... over another team of call-ups. Four players returned to AA roster.)

I've seent his happen as well in real life. Essentially the minor leagues are to develop talent for the big leagues and that is considered more important to the big league club then if you win the AA World Series. No big league club jumps up and down and issues major press releases when one of their affiliates makes the affiliate league playoffs. The big league GM is interested in one thing, helping his club and if you've done a good job at getting your talent ready for the big leagues then you're going to lose them at the convenience of the big league roster, not yours. That's how real teams do it as well. Hey, at least you won.

JTWood · 06-21-2006, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by rhydymwyn

There I was, managing my team in the AA World Series, despite never knowing when I would lose which player who was playing too well at any given time. (See http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=124600) I go down 1-0 and September 1st rolls around. I lost all but two starting position players and a total of four pitchers! What kind of GM would do that? Sure, the 40-man expanded roster is turned on, but no real GM make major roster adjustments involving minor league teams in the thick of the playoffs (much less the championship) just to fill his optional roster. Only one of my players ended up on the ML roster-- everyone else went to my AAA affiliate who was not even in the hunt for a playoff spot.

Sounds like an issue you need to take up with your team's GM.

Just kidding, man. That's some rough stuff, but it sounds like stuff that could happen in real life.

Eric · 06-21-2006, 06:03 PM

This game is unplayable! Ask for a refund from the GM!

Jules · 06-21-2006, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric

This game is unplayable! Ask for a refund from the GM!

Or a raise.

Questdog · 06-21-2006, 06:40 PM

You can limit the callup...I set the roster expansion to 30, so that only 5 guys get called up...

turdfurgeson · 06-21-2006, 06:49 PM

You could always start your lower level minors season earlier, and push back roster expansion a week or so.
Did you check out your opponent to see if they had lost players to a call up also?

rhydymwyn · 06-21-2006, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by turdfurgeson

You could always start your lower level minors season earlier, and push back roster expansion a week or so.
Did you check out your opponent to see if they had lost players to a call up also?

My opponent lost players, too. (No way I would have won otherwise.)

To others: It does happen in real life, I know that. I live very near two minor league baseball teams (ever seen Bull Durham?). Players get called up all the time. But you do not skim a roster for all of the best players with one week left in a Championship season... especially not to replenish a subpar AAA team with no shot. (If anything, you send down a few ringers

)

Adjusting the roster limit makes things less real. A smarter AI makes things more real. Just one more week and all of those players would have been finished with their season. As Zitofan mentioned, no ML team gets excited about the playoffs for an affiliate, but I still maintain that no ML team rapes a farm team that is in the final series just to pad out a roster. If they were suddenly allowed to use 15 players on the field at a time, that would be different.

Simply because a manager has the option to use 40 players does not mean he calls them all up immediately the very first moment he can. It should not be automatic. (Of course, if the programming or whatever is too complicated, I understand. But if it is not, please tweak this a bit.) The least he could have done is pulled an Ozzie Guillen and sent a kid back to me.

06-21-2006, 04:04 PM	#1
rhydymwyn Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 75	First Time I Have Ever Been Angry!! For the first time, any of SI's games has made me angry (without crashing). Either I took it too seriously, or I have not taken things seriously enough in the past. (More likely the latter!) There I was, managing my team in the AA World Series, despite never knowing when I would lose which player who was playing too well at any given time. (See http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=124600) I go down 1-0 and September 1st rolls around. I lost all but two starting position players and a total of four pitchers! What kind of GM would do that? Sure, the 40-man expanded roster is turned on, but no real GM make major roster adjustments involving minor league teams in the thick of the playoffs (much less the championship) just to fill his optional roster. Only one of my players ended up on the ML roster-- everyone else went to my AAA affiliate who was not even in the hunt for a playoff spot. Sure, it will not keep me from playing. And no, I am not still "mad". But c'mon! I guess that was a rather longwinded and whiny way of saying the following: please tweak the AI. Time to quit my ****ing and feed my addiction! (bypassing curse filter is not allowed.Admin) Last edited by TC Dale; 06-21-2006 at 04:10 PM.*

06-21-2006, 04:09 PM	#3
TheoR Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Hernando, MS Posts: 149	I don't know.... A few years ago, the Memphis Redbirds made it to the AAA World Series but the SL Cards still called up a bunch of their players. __________________ Baseball.....What else is there?

06-21-2006, 04:16 PM	#5
Riverdome All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 964	The Toledo Storm (ECHL hockey) lost their starting goalie in the middle of the playoffs this past season just so he could sit the bench in the AHL. Not the entire team but the starting goalie is a HUGE loss. The kid was at an AHL game that went into double overtime and then drove from Toronto, ON to Wheeling, WV so he could bail Toledo out of a jam in game 4 of a best of 5. Sorry that went OT but it's such a great story. Yes please tweek the AI to show some mercy to minor league teams in the playoff hunt. Or at the very least call up the highest quality lower level minor leaguers to help out. __________________ I was at the first OOTP Conference, where were you?..........

06-21-2006, 05:01 PM	#10
mrbill All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: LA, CA Posts: 982	Well, from what I'm reading, only 1 player went to the major league squad. I'm guessing that the rest went to AAA, who were no longer playing or close to done playing. Probably just AI that says "must fill AAA, call up AA players". The real question is, did the original AA guys get sent back to the AA team when the AA team played on through the playoffs and the AAA team packed it in for the year? That would make the most sense. __________________ UBL - Best Online League Evar! - Los Angeles Dodgers: 25 seasons, 13 NL West titles, 4 WC, 8 NL Titles, 5-time Champs LBB v5 league (retired) - Detroit Tigers/Commish: 19 seasons, 18 straight AL Central titles, 2006, 2008, 2014, 2015 Champs! NGBL v6 league (dead) - Texas Rangers: 10 seasons, 4 AL South titles, 2 Wild Cards, one WS app

06-21-2006, 04:08 PM	#2
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142	You can turn off the September roster expansion or, as I do, limit it to a few players....

06-21-2006, 04:13 PM	#4
zukes All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London, Ont. Canada Posts: 1,106	I think GM's would do that, maybe not to the AAA team but they most certainly would take them out of a AA championship to get major league experience if they felt that it would aid more in that player's development. I doubt that it would help all 4 pitchers, but you just never know.

06-21-2006, 04:42 PM	#6
Jason Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,840	Ironic you mentioned this because our local sports talk station had a former minor league announcer for the Mets organization on talking about how they had made the championships and then lost their four best hitters to the major leagues when rosters expanded. Didn't the AI call people from single A to fill the roster?

06-21-2006, 04:48 PM	#7
Twelvefield All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,188	Playing as a minor league manager in OOTPB exceeds my capacity for patience. Until there's some fundamental changes in the gameplay for minor-league managers, I won't be touching that aspect of the game again. Fortunately, though, you have mnore control over your own destiny as a major-league GM/manager, so I do enjoy playing that part of the game.

06-21-2006, 05:16 PM	#12
rhydymwyn Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 75	To address as many questions/issues as I can at once... Cursing: er... sorry? Roster Expansion: I want roster expansion on. In theory, it should make things more realistic. Experience: I was heading into game two of the final series. Had the GM waited a week, the guys still could have had their AAA experience. (And the one guy who got to the Big Show could have had his day, too.) Replacements: I received call-ups from A, but only two had any experience at the AA level. More helpful than no call-ups (we won), but still... I do not mind losing players midseason--that it supposed to happen to your best guys. And maybe one or two in the playoffs if the team directly above me on the chain is really in need. But in this situation, I feel it was inappropriate. (AAA team packed it in, but I had already emerged victorious with my call-ups... over another team of call-ups. Four players returned to AA roster.) ECHL: A few years back, the Carolina Hurricanes called up Tripp Tracy to be an emergency backup goalie. They chose him from the ECHL (I think he was already a backup) so their AHL team would not suffer. He never played and took a cushy color commentary job shortly afterwards. One more thing: None of the players returned to my roster before the awards were given out. None of my players won any awards. One of my players had consistently won Hitter of the Week awards, and they began to mention his candidacy for Hitter of the Year by the end. (Not sure why we was not called up sooner!) The guy who won had far lower stats in every meaningful category (I think he was caught stealing two fewer times) but was present on the AA roster when the award was announced.

06-21-2006, 06:03 PM	#16
Eric All Star Starter Join Date: May 2002 Location: Folsom, CA Posts: 1,234	This game is unplayable! Ask for a refund from the GM!

06-21-2006, 06:40 PM	#18
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142	You can limit the callup...I set the roster expansion to 30, so that only 5 guys get called up...

06-21-2006, 06:49 PM	#19
turdfurgeson Major Leagues Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 421	You could always start your lower level minors season earlier, and push back roster expansion a week or so. Did you check out your opponent to see if they had lost players to a call up also?