Creative Contracts - Page 2

William4192 · 06-20-2006, 03:22 PM

I appreciate it JTWood. Front loaded is a great idea if you have money now, but may want more in future.

BIG Irish · 06-20-2006, 04:08 PM

I did this before the patch, so it may not be possible now, but I used a CY Young bonus to grab a MR. I didn't have a ton of money but I needed some relief help so I offered a solid (if unspectacular) MR a decent base contract with a 2 MIL bonus for the CY Young & the reliever ate it up. I knew no matter how well he did there was no way a MR could win the CY Young so I got the help I needed & didn't have to overpay to get it.

RobertKak · 06-20-2006, 04:23 PM

Good thinking. In the next patch I would like to see a tweak so that players who have no realistic shot of winning the MVP (or, per my other recommendation- being named to the All-Star game) won't accept the bonus option....

"David, my organization is very excited about having you on our team. We've been looking for a backup 2nd baseman for many months and think that you fit the bill perfectly. Your .227 average last year is just what we are looking for every fifteenth game. I know you were hoping for 2million dollars a year...but how about we give you 500,000 and 12,000,000 if you're named league MVP! It could happen!

William4192 · 06-20-2006, 05:02 PM

I think it is very common to have that in a contract, but it is usually not worth much to a bit player.

jerrycapo · 06-20-2006, 05:03 PM

The other thing I would like to see are vesting options. Where you offer a player 3 guaranteed years and an option year. If the pitcher throws 200 IP in the final guaranteed year or 500 IP in all years combined his option turns into a guaranteed year.

I would also like to see options for making the all star team and winning the world series. It would also be nice to be able to add multiple options such as

350 AB = $25,000
400 AB = $25,000
450 AB = $50,000
500 AB = $100,000

Using the example above a player could add another $200,000 by reaching each of his milestones.

jerrycapo · 06-20-2006, 05:04 PM

Oh, yeah. And an option for games started. This way a pitcher can make more as a starter than a reliever.

Riverdome · 06-20-2006, 06:34 PM

And how about deals that are payable beyond a players retirement. I know it's more common in the NFL than MLB but I would like to be able to sign a 36 year old vet. to a one year deal worth 10,000,000 but payable over three years.

Now back to the fun creative contract stories . . .

marky32082 · 06-20-2006, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RobertKak

Good thinking. In the next patch I would like to see a tweak so that players who have no realistic shot of winning the MVP (or, per my other recommendation- being named to the All-Star game) won't accept the bonus option....

"David, my organization is very excited about having you on our team. We've been looking for a backup 2nd baseman for many months and think that you fit the bill perfectly. Your .227 average last year is just what we are looking for every fifteenth game. I know you were hoping for 2million dollars a year...but how about we give you 500,000 and 12,000,000 if you're named league MVP! It could happen!

I remember reading an article at some point on odd bonuses in real contracts. It seems to me there were cases of this happening - stuff like pitchers having a bonus clause for winning a triple crown in hitting. Although I guess it would be true that the pitcher in question wouldn't really factor that into their salary negotiations.

In fairness FM/WWSM does this fairly well. I remember several cases of trying to buy a player from another team and offering that team an extra incentive $ amount for international appearance when they have no real chance to play for their international team. I guess my point is there is hope that it can be addressed at some point.

Perched Raven · 06-20-2006, 09:52 PM

I imagine pretty much every contract in MLB has bonuses for MVPs, all-star appearences, etc, even if they are modest (by the standards of MLB salaries, that is.... $50k is still quite a chunk of change)

On the slightly cynical side (I do this to all my players), offer a 2 million bonus to every player. What's the risk to you? Well, since there's only 1 MVP and 1 Cy Young, your combined risk is $4M, which you will gladly part with if you have the MVP and the Cy Young on the same team. And your players? Each of them has a much higher potential contract value. It's bulletproof.

jerrycapo · 06-21-2006, 02:02 PM

Here are a couple of examples of what I did. My starting catcher is still going to be injured until May. I picked up his backup off the waiver wire the previous season, but now my scouts are not as high on him as they were last year. So at the start of February I looked at what catchers were still available in free agency. The first one I looked at wanted about 3 million a year for for years. I offered him a one year contract at 350,000. He would also make an additional 6 million if he had 500 ABs, and an additional 6 million if he won the MVP. The for a lesser catcher I offerred a similar deal except 3 million for 400 ABs and 3 million for MVP.

The good news is they both accepted the deal. They both have a shot to make the club out of spring training. I figure I will have to cut one of them if not both before the end of the season if my catcher comes back healthy and the scouts are wrong about my catching prospect waiver pickup is ready or not. In the middle of spring training the prospect is in the lead to win the starting job. This has been a lot of fun for me to see the competition between the players.

What I would like to see added though is the option to offer a minor league contract with bonuses for making the team. I would have loved to offer the first catcher a minor league contract and 4 million for making the team, 2 million for the at bats bonus, and the six million for the mvp. This would increase the players potential for being able to earn more money.

06-20-2006, 03:22 PM	#21
William4192 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 1,625	I appreciate it JTWood. Front loaded is a great idea if you have money now, but may want more in future. __________________ What is this about Rhode Island? It is neither Road or Island. Come check out the PBA. http://www.pioneerbaseballassociation.com Or email at pbacommish@pioneerbaseballassociation.com

06-20-2006, 04:23 PM	#23
RobertKak Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 108	Good thinking. In the next patch I would like to see a tweak so that players who have no realistic shot of winning the MVP (or, per my other recommendation- being named to the All-Star game) won't accept the bonus option.... "David, my organization is very excited about having you on our team. We've been looking for a backup 2nd baseman for many months and think that you fit the bill perfectly. Your .227 average last year is just what we are looking for every fifteenth game. I know you were hoping for 2million dollars a year...but how about we give you 500,000 and 12,000,000 if you're named league MVP! It could happen! __________________ NMWL ______________________________ "The one constant through all the years has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It's been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt, and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that once was good, and what could be again." -Terrance Mann (James Earl Jones) Field of Dreams 1989

06-20-2006, 05:02 PM	#24
William4192 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 1,625	I think it is very common to have that in a contract, but it is usually not worth much to a bit player. __________________ What is this about Rhode Island? It is neither Road or Island. Come check out the PBA. http://www.pioneerbaseballassociation.com Or email at pbacommish@pioneerbaseballassociation.com

06-20-2006, 05:03 PM	#25
jerrycapo Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 411	The other thing I would like to see are vesting options. Where you offer a player 3 guaranteed years and an option year. If the pitcher throws 200 IP in the final guaranteed year or 500 IP in all years combined his option turns into a guaranteed year. I would also like to see options for making the all star team and winning the world series. It would also be nice to be able to add multiple options such as 350 AB = $25,000 400 AB = $25,000 450 AB = $50,000 500 AB = $100,000 Using the example above a player could add another $200,000 by reaching each of his milestones. __________________ All the best, Jerry

06-20-2006, 05:04 PM	#26
jerrycapo Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 411	Oh, yeah. And an option for games started. This way a pitcher can make more as a starter than a reliever. __________________ All the best, Jerry

06-20-2006, 04:08 PM	#22
BIG Irish Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 163	I did this before the patch, so it may not be possible now, but I used a CY Young bonus to grab a MR. I didn't have a ton of money but I needed some relief help so I offered a solid (if unspectacular) MR a decent base contract with a 2 MIL bonus for the CY Young & the reliever ate it up. I knew no matter how well he did there was no way a MR could win the CY Young so I got the help I needed & didn't have to overpay to get it.

06-20-2006, 06:34 PM	#27
Riverdome All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 964	And how about deals that are payable beyond a players retirement. I know it's more common in the NFL than MLB but I would like to be able to sign a 36 year old vet. to a one year deal worth 10,000,000 but payable over three years. Now back to the fun creative contract stories . . . __________________ I was at the first OOTP Conference, where were you?..........

06-20-2006, 09:52 PM	#29
Perched Raven Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Houston Posts: 14	I imagine pretty much every contract in MLB has bonuses for MVPs, all-star appearences, etc, even if they are modest (by the standards of MLB salaries, that is.... $50k is still quite a chunk of change) On the slightly cynical side (I do this to all my players), offer a 2 million bonus to every player. What's the risk to you? Well, since there's only 1 MVP and 1 Cy Young, your combined risk is $4M, which you will gladly part with if you have the MVP and the Cy Young on the same team. And your players? Each of them has a much higher potential contract value. It's bulletproof.

06-21-2006, 02:02 PM	#30
jerrycapo Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 411	Here are a couple of examples of what I did. My starting catcher is still going to be injured until May. I picked up his backup off the waiver wire the previous season, but now my scouts are not as high on him as they were last year. So at the start of February I looked at what catchers were still available in free agency. The first one I looked at wanted about 3 million a year for for years. I offered him a one year contract at 350,000. He would also make an additional 6 million if he had 500 ABs, and an additional 6 million if he won the MVP. The for a lesser catcher I offerred a similar deal except 3 million for 400 ABs and 3 million for MVP. The good news is they both accepted the deal. They both have a shot to make the club out of spring training. I figure I will have to cut one of them if not both before the end of the season if my catcher comes back healthy and the scouts are wrong about my catching prospect waiver pickup is ready or not. In the middle of spring training the prospect is in the lead to win the starting job. This has been a lot of fun for me to see the competition between the players. What I would like to see added though is the option to offer a minor league contract with bonuses for making the team. I would have loved to offer the first catcher a minor league contract and 4 million for making the team, 2 million for the at bats bonus, and the six million for the mvp. This would increase the players potential for being able to earn more money. __________________ All the best, Jerry