Wright vs Taylor

[rickert]

I agree that Winky has no reason to think he was ripped off by the decision. I actually had Taylor winning one more round than Wright but I have no problem with a draw. I'd watch this one again if they had a rematch.

One thing that bothers me a bit about all pro boxing judges. Instead of trying to force the issue and pick a winner of each round, when the round really seems even, why not score it that way, 10-10?

[CONN CHRIS]

Originally Posted by rickert

I agree that Winky has no reason to think he was ripped off by the decision. I actually had Taylor winning one more round than Wright but I have no problem with a draw. I'd watch this one again if they had a rematch.

One thing that bothers me a bit about all pro boxing judges. Instead of trying to force the issue and pick a winner of each round, when the round really seems even, why not score it that way, 10-10?

Because draws would litter the landscape. Boxing is screwed up enough without 5 in ten title fights ending in a draw.

As a rank amateur score keeper, I fall prey to indecisiveness all the time and score a lot of draws. - Thunder even chided me about it at the fights in February

[rickert]

But I don't believe mathmatically that scoring more individual rounds as draws makes it any more likely the judges' card will end up in a draw. In fact it could make it less likely since most round are 10-9 and virtaully all bouts currently are contested with even numbered rounds, 8, 10 and 12.

[CONN CHRIS]

Originally Posted by rickert

But I don't believe mathmatically that scoring more individual rounds as draws makes it any more likely the judges' card will end up in a draw. In fact it could make it less likely since most round are 10-9 and virtaully all bouts currently are contested with even numbered rounds, 8, 10 and 12.

I have no idea what the mathematical probabilities show but from personal experience it always seems that when I can't make my mind up on more than one round I end up with a draw more times than I likely should.

[mh2365]

I had it 7-4-1 in favor of Taylor last night, I thought the 7th was close enough to be an even round.

[Buddy Whatshisname]

I watched the fight on tape this morning. (By the way, Happy Father's Day to all the Dads out there, especially mine!) This was the first time in memory that I agreed round for round with Harold Lederman! I scored it 114-114.

On a more somber note, I saw "An Inconvenient Truth" this weekend and can't seem to take anything else too seriously today.

Buddy

[rickert]

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

I have no idea what the mathematical probabilities show but from personal experience it always seems that when I can't make my mind up on more than one round I end up with a draw more times than I likely should.

Stated very simply it's like this. If you have an even number of rounds and there is no 10-10 rounds, then a division of 5 rounds for each fighter would give you a draw in a 10-round bout. But with one round scored even, then it becomes impossible (unless there is a 10-8 round) for a draw. In the old days with 15-round fights there were fewer draws because without any 10-8s or rounds judged even, there was no way for both fighters to have won the same number of rounds.

I'm not saying judges should arbitrarily give an even round to prevent the fight from being a draw on his or her card, but I feel that sometimes rounds are just too close to call one way or another and yet the judges seem to ALWAYS give it to one fighter or another. I can't remember the last time I heard a ring announcer at fight's end announce: "Judge (insert your favorite judge's name) scored the fight 6-5 with one round even." I believe it should happen more often.

[CONN CHRIS]

Originally Posted by rickert

Stated very simply it's like this. If you have an even number of rounds and there is no 10-10 rounds, then a division of 5 rounds for each fighter would give you a draw in a 10-round bout. But with one round scored even, then it becomes impossible (unless there is a 10-8 round) for a draw. In the old days with 15-round fights there were fewer draws because without any 10-8s or rounds judged even, there was no way for both fighters to have won the same number of rounds.

I'm not saying judges should arbitrarily give an even round to prevent the fight from being a draw on his or her card, but I feel that sometimes rounds are just too close to call one way or another and yet the judges seem to ALWAYS give it to one fighter or another. I can't remember the last time I heard a ring announcer at fight's end announce: "Judge (insert your favorite judge's name) scored the fight 6-5 with one round even." I believe it should happen more often.

Oh, I understand that. It's when there are more than one (as I mentioned) draw rounds that you have a problem. I you strive to not have any drawn rounds, the chance of having two is reduced.

[Jim_Kidd]

It's nice to see a champion like Jermain Taylor in the sport these days. He's not a bitter, complaining, don't give the other guy any credit - type of fighter. His conditioning really paid off in this fight, his best defense being his offense.

He should stay with Emanuel Steward so he can learn the tricks of the trade and develop his technical skills. He's only 25, but on the other hand, learning and developing your skills while defending a title is a tough assignment.

I wouldn't match him with any big punchers, yet. I'd wait until he develops a little bit more. On the other hand, with HBO's money behind him, they're not going to pay him to knock out a bunch of stiffs, either.

It should be an interesting ride.

[a87star]

Originally Posted by Jim_Kidd

He should stay with Emanuel Steward so he can learn the tricks of the trade and develop his technical skills. He's only 25, but on the other hand, learning and developing your skills while defending a title is a tough assignment.

I agree Jim. Look what Emanuel had done with Wlad and that is a prime example why Jermain should continue to work with him. It will definitely will benefit his career and the six weeks he spent at Kronk is just the tip of the iceberg.

[meade95]

Originally Posted by Buddy Whatshisname

On a more somber note, I saw "An Inconvenient Truth" this weekend and can't seem to take anything else too seriously today.

Buddy

I don't want to get political here (not the place for it) but the only reason to be somber after watching "An Inconvenient Truth" is that the movie itself found it so inconvenient to BE Truthful!! - It is a sham of a movie that looks to manipulate both statistics as well as sound science -

The reality is global warming (and cooling) are naturally occuring phenomenon which man has very little impact over.

Here are just a few links that deal with the movie's untruthfulness -

Gore's Bad Science -

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=22945


Nature Mag: "Inconvenient Truth" for Al Gore: Climate Change is a Natural Occurrence -
http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/freedomli...ccurrence.html

The Real 'Inconvenient Truth' - Greenhouse, global warming and some facts (Fighting global alarmism) -

http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/


How to Talk to a Global Warming Sceptic -
http://illconsidered.blogspot.com/20...g-sceptic.html

[Romdawg88]

Got around to watching the fight today and it was a entertaining fight but it did slow down in the last rounds. I don't have much of a problem with the draw it was a damn close fight and could have gone either way.

[Zima]

I dont want Rematch!!! Both of this Greatest fighters are World Legendes!!! Iwant to see TAYLOR vs Quartey(60/40% for Jermain) and WINKY vs Vargas(65/35% for Wright of course in these rematch. WINKY!!!!!Jermain!!!

[Buddy Whatshisname]

Originally Posted by meade95

I don't want to get political here (not the place for it) but the only reason to be somber after watching "An Inconvenient Truth" is that the movie itself found it so inconvenient to BE Truthful!! - It is a sham of a movie that looks to manipulate both statistics as well as sound science -

The reality is global warming (and cooling) are naturally occuring phenomenon which man has very little impact over.

Here are just a few links that deal with the movie's untruthfulness -

Gore's Bad Science -

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=22945


Nature Mag: "Inconvenient Truth" for Al Gore: Climate Change is a Natural Occurrence -
http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/freedomli...ccurrence.html

The Real 'Inconvenient Truth' - Greenhouse, global warming and some facts (Fighting global alarmism) -

http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/


How to Talk to a Global Warming Sceptic -
http://illconsidered.blogspot.com/20...g-sceptic.html

Wow! So basically you're saying there's nothing to worry about? Boy, what a relief.

[Rasmuth]

entertaining fight...I thought the decision was the correct one for the fight...I'm looking forward to the rematch.