I Know It Can't Emulate Real Life But...

JP Cooperstown · 06-15-2006, 12:50 AM

Roger Hornsby: 5518 hits
7 Active members in the 4000 hit club (only two in real life)
Babe Ruth hit 1028 HR's
Hornsby steals 1900+ bases
Hornsby walks 3000 times (even Bonds only has 2000)
Satchel Paige strikes out 6093 batters, wins 559 games

All of this happens because it seems like every star player in the game plays 20+ seasons, no matter what. Hornsby stuck around until he was 51, Babe Ruth 43, Satchel Paige 41, etc.

I'm looking at career leaderboards, and almost every player is playing 20-25 seasons. Is there something wrong with player aging, or are people finding that guys just refuse to leave? I understand that it happens in real life, but I feel that the normal retiring age in this game is 45 for at least 50% of players.

turdfurgeson · 06-15-2006, 01:21 AM

Try raising the batter and pitcher aging modifier. I did that from 1.000 to 1.1 for each. One sim had Ruth ending his career with 720 homeruns. I hope to do more testing and playing with this.

JP Cooperstown · 06-15-2006, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by turdfurgeson

Try raising the batter and pitcher aging modifier. I did that from 1.000 to 1.1 for each. One sim had Ruth ending his career with 720 homeruns. I hope to do more testing and playing with this.

Ah, I must have missed this during the setup! I'll try a few tests as well tomorrow.

Syd Thrift · 06-15-2006, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by JP Cooperstown

Roger Hornsby: 5518 hits
7 Active members in the 4000 hit club (only two in real life)
Babe Ruth hit 1028 HR's
Hornsby steals 1900+ bases
Hornsby walks 3000 times (even Bonds only has 2000)
Satchel Paige strikes out 6093 batters, wins 559 games

All of this happens because it seems like every star player in the game plays 20+ seasons, no matter what. Hornsby stuck around until he was 51, Babe Ruth 43, Satchel Paige 41, etc.

I'm looking at career leaderboards, and almost every player is playing 20-25 seasons. Is there something wrong with player aging, or are people finding that guys just refuse to leave? I understand that it happens in real life, but I feel that the normal retiring age in this game is 45 for at least 50% of players.

Just a guess... you turned injuries down or off, right? In real life, players don't usually just say "oh hey, I've played 20 years and I am 41 years old. I think it's a good time to retire." Generally speaking, they retire because their body won't let them play anymore. And physically speaking, you aren't *that* much slower or have that much worse hand/eye coordination at 40 compared to 27. Injuries IRL have a huge effect on whether a person stays in the league until they're 42 or leaves at 32.

Turning aging up would help this. Using an injuries.txt file with perhaps fewer CEIs would be a lot more realistic.

JP Cooperstown · 06-15-2006, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

Just a guess... you turned injuries down or off, right? In real life, players don't usually just say "oh hey, I've played 20 years and I am 41 years old. I think it's a good time to retire." Generally speaking, they retire because their body won't let them play anymore. And physically speaking, you aren't *that* much slower or have that much worse hand/eye coordination at 40 compared to 27. Injuries IRL have a huge effect on whether a person stays in the league until they're 42 or leaves at 32.

Turning aging up would help this. Using an injuries.txt file with perhaps fewer CEIs would be a lot more realistic.

From my understanding, if you have injuries at normal far too many guys get hurt and have CEI. In a historical sim you can't have injuries high, because there are not enough bodies on the bench. In OOTP6.5 guys would retire at normal ages with injuries set to low. Hopefully a common ground can be made.

Syd Thrift · 06-16-2006, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by JP Cooperstown

From my understanding, if you have injuries at normal far too many guys get hurt and have CEI. In a historical sim you can't have injuries high, because there are not enough bodies on the bench. In OOTP6.5 guys would retire at normal ages with injuries set to low. Hopefully a common ground can be made.

One fix is to eliminate almost all the CEIs in the game. I have a quick and dirty injuries.txt that does that, and others I am sure will be coming out with even better, more accurate ones. Another is to set aging higher. Try 1.1 or 1.2. I wish I could give you exact logarithms but the game's too young for that.

fauteuil7 · 06-16-2006, 06:36 PM

I ran a pretty long sim with injuries set to low and the batter aging modifier set to 1.25 and rarely did a player play past 42 (one played until he was 46, but just as a bit player). That seemed pretty realistic to me if you want to use that as a reference point.

Altus · 06-17-2006, 06:42 AM

You have to play with injuries. Not only do some players retire earlier due to injuries, but injuries also slow down players and effect their ratings.
That will stop those 18 and 22 year careers.

redmarkYankees · 06-17-2006, 10:59 AM

See here for a download including an amended injuries.txt file and an Excel tool for creating your own. Extensively tested with historical sims; produces many more DTD or short term injuries, with fewer CEIs, which gradually wear down older players and ensure that if they are still playing at 45, they're not the same player they were at 25. Except Lou Gehrig.

swampdragon · 06-17-2006, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by redmarkYankees

See here for a download including an amended injuries.txt file and an Excel tool for creating your own. Extensively tested with historical sims; produces many more DTD or short term injuries, with fewer CEIs, which gradually wear down older players and ensure that if they are still playing at 45, they're not the same player they were at 25. Except Lou Gehrig.

As it should be. Lou should play until he's 55 and has 5000 hits. One of my favorites of all time.

Eckstein 4 Prez · 06-17-2006, 11:26 AM

Yeah, Lou Gehrig is one of those guys who I can't help rooting for in historical replays. I want him to really be the luckiest man on the face of the earth.

redmarkYankees · 06-17-2006, 11:51 AM

I think in every test with my injuries file, the Babe has had niggling injuries which take away his power at some point, limiting him to 450-650 HRs. Gehrig has usually then topped the table at about 650-690.

06-15-2006, 12:50 AM	#1
JP Cooperstown Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Connecticut Posts: 36	I Know It Can't Emulate Real Life But... Roger Hornsby: 5518 hits 7 Active members in the 4000 hit club (only two in real life) Babe Ruth hit 1028 HR's Hornsby steals 1900+ bases Hornsby walks 3000 times (even Bonds only has 2000) Satchel Paige strikes out 6093 batters, wins 559 games All of this happens because it seems like every star player in the game plays 20+ seasons, no matter what. Hornsby stuck around until he was 51, Babe Ruth 43, Satchel Paige 41, etc. I'm looking at career leaderboards, and almost every player is playing 20-25 seasons. Is there something wrong with player aging, or are people finding that guys just refuse to leave? I understand that it happens in real life, but I feel that the normal retiring age in this game is 45 for at least 50% of players.

06-17-2006, 10:59 AM	#9
redmarkYankees All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,283	See here for a download including an amended injuries.txt file and an Excel tool for creating your own. Extensively tested with historical sims; produces many more DTD or short term injuries, with fewer CEIs, which gradually wear down older players and ensure that if they are still playing at 45, they're not the same player they were at 25. Except Lou Gehrig. __________________ In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act. George Orwell

06-17-2006, 11:26 AM	#11
Eckstein 4 Prez Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The OC Posts: 6,358	Yeah, Lou Gehrig is one of those guys who I can't help rooting for in historical replays. I want him to really be the luckiest man on the face of the earth. __________________ Looking for an insomnia cure? Check out my dynasty thread, The Dawn of American Professional Base Ball, 1871.

06-17-2006, 11:51 AM	#12
redmarkYankees All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,283	I think in every test with my injuries file, the Babe has had niggling injuries which take away his power at some point, limiting him to 450-650 HRs. Gehrig has usually then topped the table at about 650-690. __________________ In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act. George Orwell

06-15-2006, 01:21 AM	#2
turdfurgeson Major Leagues Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 421	Try raising the batter and pitcher aging modifier. I did that from 1.000 to 1.1 for each. One sim had Ruth ending his career with 720 homeruns. I hope to do more testing and playing with this.

06-16-2006, 06:36 PM	#7
fauteuil7 Major Leagues Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 356	I ran a pretty long sim with injuries set to low and the batter aging modifier set to 1.25 and rarely did a player play past 42 (one played until he was 46, but just as a bit player). That seemed pretty realistic to me if you want to use that as a reference point.

06-17-2006, 06:42 AM	#8
Altus Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Cape Town, South Africa Posts: 192	You have to play with injuries. Not only do some players retire earlier due to injuries, but injuries also slow down players and effect their ratings. That will stop those 18 and 22 year careers.