A Plea for League Templates

Swimmer · 06-06-2006, 01:16 AM

After several days of playing around with numerous baseball universes, I find myself on my knees to Markus hoping that he can throw in a feature to allow us to save our hard work as a template that we can load into future baseball universes and share among ourselves.

For instance, lets say I spend several hours creating a EuroLeague, with several levels of minors and tweaked financials and well considered equivalencies, and customized schedule lengths and startings dates and all the wonderful things we can set up in this game. Having done that, I want to save this work as a template I can use in future universes and share with my friends.

Yeah, the Quickstart is a nice option. But a Quickstart represents a game state. Suppose I just want to play in my EuroLeague Universe now, and enjoy that. But then, next month, I want to start a game managing a team within the traditional American Major League/minors system, but still have the EuroLeague as an international system alongside it. It would be nice if I could just load the EuroLeague template and not have to re-do all the work I originally did creating the EuroLeague.

This template idea would also apply to things like real-world team names and tweaked financials/equivalencies. It's nice that we already have Quickstarts with correct MLB team names, and soon we'll start seeing Quickstarts with corrected international league finances and equivalencies, but I'd much rather have templates for these setups that I can just load into my fictional leagues and structure however I want.

Anyone else with me on this?

Qrusher14242 · 06-06-2006, 01:25 AM

Yeah that would be a great feature. I made a California League in one universe, but it would be great to copy that template to another universe.

Tresclub · 06-06-2006, 01:53 AM

Swimmer, I think your best recourse at this point is this:

Once you have your universe/league/game setup exactly the way you want it, save it, then exit the game. Go into Explore, find your newly created league, right-clk on it, and drag it about an inch to the right, and drop it. This will cause it to make a "copy" of your league.

Then, open up OOTP 2006, load a new game, and you shouid see this:

Hope this helps.

LeiterFanatic · 06-06-2006, 02:04 AM

I think what he is referring to is that quickstarts have the originator's manager information and job states frozen at the beginning, so we have to accept their jobs or delete them, causing their mail to stay with us on the league news screen. He wants something akin to a default.lg file that is "clean" but all settled with logos and team names, etc. that we can import at will into the universe/

silvam14 · 06-06-2006, 02:10 AM

Please mention this in this thread:

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=120244

Hopefully enough people will respond, thus the possibily be greater of Markus making this addition

Swimmer · 06-06-2006, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tresclub

Swimmer, I think your best recourse at this point is this:

Once you have your universe/league/game setup exactly the way you want it, save it, then exit the game. Go into Explore, find your newly created league, right-clk on it, and drag it about an inch to the right, and drop it. This will cause it to make a "copy" of your league.

No. That's still a game state. I want something I can load during league setup, so that I can take my work and use it alongside other league configurations in a different baseball universe.

It's similar to the current default leagues. If, while building your universe, you choose to have the Japanese leagues, you just click the checkbox on the left of the screen and the game drops the Japanese league and its minor league into your league setup.

I want a similar feature where I can build my own league templates and drop them in at league creation.

spark240 · 06-06-2006, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swimmer

I want something I can load during league setup, so that I can take my work and use it alongside other league configurations in a different baseball universe.

One great thing about having a feature like this would be that different people could really devote themselves to detailed work on individual leagues (minor leagues, international leagues, college leagues, fictional leagues, whatever) and then post them as modules that all of us could pick and choose from.

Can of Corn · 06-06-2006, 02:00 PM

I second this motion.

ssmith1938 · 06-06-2006, 02:03 PM

I am all for this feature!!

Solonor · 06-06-2006, 02:04 PM

I thought that was what the QuickStart was for. Otherwise, why isn't it the same thing as reloading a saved game??

Twelvefield · 06-06-2006, 02:05 PM

Add me to the list. I do like the quicksaves, but this idea is great as well.

Swimmer · 06-06-2006, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solonor

I thought that was what the QuickStart was for. Otherwise, why isn't it the same thing as reloading a saved game??

Because a Quickstart is a complete game. Once you load a Quickstart, you start playing that Quickstart.

What I am advocating is something that can be loaded in as part of the league setup process. It's like the default templates you have now in league setup. If you want the Major American Leagues, you click the checkbox, and the leagues load into your setup, and then you can further customize them and add other leagues as you desire. If you used a Quickstart of the MAL then you would load it, and then start playing. If you wanted to add the Venezuelan winter league, you couldn't to the Quickstart.

I want to be able to create my own files like the default league templates, and use them in future league setups, and share them.

garyh · 06-06-2006, 05:50 PM

One more voice crying out for such a system here! Having league modules would be a great way to build different universes without having to start from scratch each time.

Riverdome · 06-06-2006, 05:55 PM

Seems like it might be a challenge to code but count me in as another supporter.

Shouldn't this be in the Wish List forum?

boilermaker · 06-06-2006, 06:17 PM

Is it safe to say that quickstart is the most misunderstood concept of OOTP 2006?

Perched Raven · 06-06-2006, 07:03 PM

Add me to the Amen chorus as well. This would be a tremendous feature.

medlinke · 06-06-2006, 07:15 PM

I'm confused. Are you saying you want to have a template for the league setup, but have it saved at a point before you import players?

blgoblue2 · 06-06-2006, 07:21 PM

Agreed

Markmeister · 06-06-2006, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boilermaker

Is it safe to say that quickstart is the most misunderstood concept of OOTP 2006?

A quickstart league is completely set up - you can't make any changes. It already comes with the number of leagues predefined.

I believe what Swimmer is wanting is something totally different. What he is wanting to do is create a template for a fictional league. Probably a better description would be using the standard leagues that are listed when you create a new league, but taking them one step further.

The difference between a standard league and a template is the level of details. For example, I recreate the PCL and rename the teams, modify the stadiums, etc. Later, I create another universe with the MLB and the PCL competing. Currently, my only option to have all of the details of the first league is to redo all of the set-up work I did on my first league. If I could save the PCL information from my first league as a template, nothing would have to redone. Just check the box for the PCL template and have the same details from the first league inserted into my new universe.

garyh · 06-06-2006, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boilermaker

Is it safe to say that quickstart is the most misunderstood concept of OOTP 2006?

It's up there. It seems like it's turned out to just be a fancy term for zipping your league. What I thought it was going to be was more like the "save the universe shell" we're asking for here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by medlinke

I'm confused. Are you saying you want to have a template for the league setup, but have it saved at a point before you import players?

Exactly. And saved in such a way that we can add the template to other universes or edit it again if we so desire.

Markmeister has the idea of what I'd like to see.

EDIT: Here's the blog on quickstarts: http://www.ootpbaseball2006.com/news...ews=view&id=91

" In OOTP Baseball 2006 you can save ANY league at ANY point as a quickstart-template. When you save, enter a description of the game and you have a very powerful file at your disposal.

With quickstarts you can either re-start your preferred league setup at any time, create backups of your leagues, or share your fictional league ideas with the OOTP community.

Simply zip the quickstart files and distribute them however you see fit. Other OOTP fans can download the file unzip it into the quickstart folder of the game and then create a new game based on your quickstart. It's that simple, it's in your hands!"

The bolded part is, I think, a large reason we all though quickstarts would be more like the "shell" concept.

06-06-2006, 01:16 AM	#1
Swimmer Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Castle Rock, Colorado Posts: 165	A Plea for League Templates After several days of playing around with numerous baseball universes, I find myself on my knees to Markus hoping that he can throw in a feature to allow us to save our hard work as a template that we can load into future baseball universes and share among ourselves. For instance, lets say I spend several hours creating a EuroLeague, with several levels of minors and tweaked financials and well considered equivalencies, and customized schedule lengths and startings dates and all the wonderful things we can set up in this game. Having done that, I want to save this work as a template I can use in future universes and share with my friends. Yeah, the Quickstart is a nice option. But a Quickstart represents a game state. Suppose I just want to play in my EuroLeague Universe now, and enjoy that. But then, next month, I want to start a game managing a team within the traditional American Major League/minors system, but still have the EuroLeague as an international system alongside it. It would be nice if I could just load the EuroLeague template and not have to re-do all the work I originally did creating the EuroLeague. This template idea would also apply to things like real-world team names and tweaked financials/equivalencies. It's nice that we already have Quickstarts with correct MLB team names, and soon we'll start seeing Quickstarts with corrected international league finances and equivalencies, but I'd much rather have templates for these setups that I can just load into my fictional leagues and structure however I want. Anyone else with me on this?

06-06-2006, 02:04 AM	#4
LeiterFanatic All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 1,348	I think what he is referring to is that quickstarts have the originator's manager information and job states frozen at the beginning, so we have to accept their jobs or delete them, causing their mail to stay with us on the league news screen. He wants something akin to a default.lg file that is "clean" but all settled with logos and team names, etc. that we can import at will into the universe/ Last edited by LeiterFanatic; 06-06-2006 at 02:05 AM.

06-06-2006, 02:04 PM	#10
Solonor Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Maine Posts: 4,459	I thought that was what the QuickStart was for. Otherwise, why isn't it the same thing as reloading a saved game?? __________________ Solonor's Groovy Computer Baseball League - Making baseball a hobbit since 2003! "Beings will come, Frodo. The one constant through all the years has been baseball. Middle Earth has rolled by like an army of Mumakil. It has been erased like a slate, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Frodo. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again. Oh... beings will come Frodo. Beings will most definitely come." - Gladden Field of Dreams

06-06-2006, 05:55 PM	#14
Riverdome All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 964	Seems like it might be a challenge to code but count me in as another supporter. Shouldn't this be in the Wish List forum? __________________ I was at the first OOTP Conference, where were you?..........

06-06-2006, 01:25 AM	#2
Qrusher14242 All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: CA Posts: 1,253	Yeah that would be a great feature. I made a California League in one universe, but it would be great to copy that template to another universe.

06-06-2006, 01:53 AM	#3
Tresclub All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: La Mesa, CA USA Posts: 1,908	Swimmer, I think your best recourse at this point is this: Once you have your universe/league/game setup exactly the way you want it, save it, then exit the game. Go into Explore, find your newly created league, right-clk on it, and drag it about an inch to the right, and drop it. This will cause it to make a "copy" of your league. Then, open up OOTP 2006, load a new game, and you shouid see this: Hope this helps.

06-06-2006, 02:10 AM	#5
silvam14 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Dedham, MA Posts: 9,939	Please mention this in this thread: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=120244 Hopefully enough people will respond, thus the possibily be greater of Markus making this addition

06-06-2006, 02:00 PM	#8
Can of Corn Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 169 Infractions: 0/1 (4)	I second this motion.

06-06-2006, 02:03 PM	#9
ssmith1938 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 23	I am all for this feature!!

06-06-2006, 02:05 PM	#11
Twelvefield All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,188	Add me to the list. I do like the quicksaves, but this idea is great as well.

06-06-2006, 05:50 PM	#13
garyh Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 49	One more voice crying out for such a system here! Having league modules would be a great way to build different universes without having to start from scratch each time.

06-06-2006, 06:17 PM	#15
boilermaker All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 1,956	Is it safe to say that quickstart is the most misunderstood concept of OOTP 2006?

06-06-2006, 07:03 PM	#16
Perched Raven Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Houston Posts: 14	Add me to the Amen chorus as well. This would be a tremendous feature.

06-06-2006, 07:15 PM	#17
medlinke Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: USA Posts: 40	I'm confused. Are you saying you want to have a template for the league setup, but have it saved at a point before you import players?

06-06-2006, 07:21 PM	#18
blgoblue2 Banned Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Walled Lake, Michigan Member #13775 Posts: 886	Agreed