Yanks/Sox vs National League

rem · 05-31-2006, 06:07 PM

All-Star voting:

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First Base
1. David Ortiz, Red Sox 451,431
2. Jason Giambi, Yankees 321,653
3. Paul Konerko, White Sox 206,472
4. Travis Hafner, Indians 154,878
5. Chris Shelton, Tigers 153,197

Second Base
1. Robinson Cano, Yankees 289,394
2. Mark Loretta, Red Sox 257,125
3. Tadahito Iguchi, White Sox 246,838
4. Brian Roberts, Orioles 130,702
5. Placido Polanco, Tigers 129,596

Third Base
1. Alex Rodriguez, Yankees 524,153
2. Mike Lowell, Red Sox 224,611
3. Joe Crede, White Sox 171,954
4. Eric Chavez, Athletics 167,020
5. Troy Glaus, Blue Jays 145,243

Shortstop
1. Derek Jeter, Yankees 537,218
2. Miguel Tejada, Orioles 370,078
3. Michael Young, Rangers 142,254
4. Alex Gonzalez, Red Sox 130,616
5. Juan Uribe, White Sox 121,304

Catcher
1. Jason Varitek, Red Sox 335,417
2. Ivan Rodriguez, Tigers 277,034
3. Jorge Posada, Yankees 241,736
4. Victor Martinez, Indians 196,987
5. A.J. Pierzynski, White Sox 180,562

Outfield
1. Manny Ramirez, Red Sox 516,658
2. Vladimir Guerrero, Angels 514,013
3. Johnny Damon, Yankees 393,643
4. Ichiro Suzuki, Mariners 279,843
5. Gary Sheffield, Yankees 275,688
6. Vernon Wells, Blue Jays 242,211
7. Hideki Matsui, Yankees 231,777
8. Scott Podsednik, White Sox 195,402
9. Coco Crisp, Red Sox 189,680
10. Jermaine Dye, White Sox 183,160
11. Trot Nixon, Red Sox 177,745
12. Torii Hunter, Twins 169,937
13. Grady Sizemore, Indians 137,716
14. Jonny Gomes, Devil Rays 132,264
15. Kevin Mench, Rangers 131,779

blgoblue2 · 05-31-2006, 06:09 PM

No Magglio?

mikev · 05-31-2006, 06:13 PM

The fact that Alex Rios, Nick Swisher, and Eric Chavez aren't going to be starters is complete and utter BS.

mlyons · 05-31-2006, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mikev

The fact that Alex Rios, Nick Swisher, and Eric Chavez aren't going to be starters is complete and utter BS.

Rios and Swisher certainly deserve some recognition, but Chavez isn't even the second best third baseman in the AL this season. Mike Lowell is hitting .321/.373/.571, Alex Rodriguez is hitting .293/.396/.539, and Chavez is only hitting .275/.367/.539. You could even make a pretty compelling argument that Troy Glaus is having a better season than Chavez.

mikev · 05-31-2006, 06:38 PM

So defense doesn't count then?

Chavez has the least amount of errors and highest fielding percentage.

A-rod has EIGHT errors already.

mlyons · 05-31-2006, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mikev

So defense doesn't count then?

Chavez has the least amount of errors and highest fielding percentage.

A-rod has EIGHT errors already.

You're going to have to come up with something a lot more compelling than fielding percentage to convince me that Chavez's defense is so much better than Rodriguez's (or Lowell's, or Glaus's) that it makes up for the obvious offensive disparity.

cinredsfan2000 · 05-31-2006, 07:09 PM

Wasnt it a couple of years ago that the yankee's had what 5 starters in the all star game ? Granted i know it's basically who the fan's vote in etc.. But wouldnt the all star game be better if at most you had 2 guys from 1 team starting .

ednote · 05-31-2006, 07:14 PM

What's that Vladimir Guerrero guy doing screwing up the symmetry?

mikev · 05-31-2006, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mlyons

You're going to have to come up with something a lot more compelling than fielding percentage to convince me that Chavez's defense is so much better than Rodriguez's (or Lowell's, or Glaus's) that it makes up for the obvious offensive disparity.

Chavez has 2 errors all year.

The next closest of the 4 in question has double that.

I'm too busy right now to look up defensive metrics though, so I have to go by what I can glance at quickly.

All 4 of them have an OPS over .900, the only 4 3B in the AL.

Still, as an A's homer, this is the first year that Chavez has actually deserved consideration at all! gimme a break already!

Swisher and Rios are pretty huge snubs though.

Luis_Rivera · 05-31-2006, 07:23 PM

Why even argue who'se getting snubbed... this **** is FUBAR. Coco Crisp at 9th?? He's had less than 50 PA's!!!

mlyons · 05-31-2006, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mikev

Chavez has 2 errors all year.

The next closest of the 4 in question has double that.

I'm too busy right now to look up defensive metrics though, so I have to go by what I can glance at quickly.

Chavez also has significantly fewer defensive chances per inning than Rodriguez or Lowell. Although it's not possible to say definitively without play-by-play data, that's often a pretty good indicator that he just doesn't get to as many balls as the other two. If he's giving up more hits, than the fewer errors don't do his team much good.

CommishJoe · 05-31-2006, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ednote

What's that Vladimir Guerrero guy doing screwing up the symmetry?

Rubbing it in that Georgie decided to sign Shef instead of him.

disposableheros · 05-31-2006, 08:04 PM

dont you mean, Yanks/Red Sox vs St. Louis?

randomlefty10 · 05-31-2006, 09:33 PM

Lowell is an excellent defensive 3B.

Why do people still even care about AS voting? Can't we just go cut and paste complaints from the past 15 years and just change the names?

PerfectMisnomer · 05-31-2006, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mikev

So defense doesn't count then?

Chavez has the least amount of errors and highest fielding percentage.

A-rod has EIGHT errors already.

Last I checked, fans want guys who can hit, not guys who field exceptionally well. This is an All-Star game, you aren't going to convince fans to vote for a guy because he's only made two errors. That's what Gold Glove is for.

abailey3313 · 05-31-2006, 09:57 PM

The ASG is a joke.

rem · 05-31-2006, 10:03 PM

I should caution all to remember that these are only the early returns.

Green & Gold Heart · 05-31-2006, 10:21 PM

The fans are always stupid. The best you can hope for is that the guys who deserve to go get picked as the reserves.

stl jason · 05-31-2006, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Green & Gold Heart

The fans are always stupid. The best you can hope for is that the guys who deserve to go get picked as the reserves.

maybe fans from one league should try to stuff the ballot box of the other league with sub-standard players.... if the winner of the ASG gets home field advantage in the WS, might as well try to get some no-so-all-stars on the other league's team....

Long_Long_Name · 05-31-2006, 10:49 PM

I'd bet that the people who want the absolute best players to be there no matter what aren't MLB's main target for the all-star game.

05-31-2006, 06:13 PM	#3
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