TRTR : Day 12

Marc Duffy · 05-12-2006, 11:30 AM

3 New screenshots

As usual, in our gallery http://www.ootpbaseball2006.com/screenshots.php

The fun continues over the weekend with more screenshots and at least one new blog!

Muppetus Galacticus · 05-12-2006, 11:32 AM

I love the TRTR!

Cras · 05-12-2006, 11:32 AM

Alright!

White Sox · 05-12-2006, 11:45 AM

I just really started looking at these new screenshots yesterday, so I apologize if this has been discussed.

But, if I may voice one complaint from what I see, it is about the transactions screen. Besides the main roster page, the transactions page is naturally the next screen I look at the most. I dislike the 2x2 window format where not all minor league teams are visible at once. I really favor the OOTP5 example where the Roster, DL, and Trading Block window were on top and then all minor league screens were visible on the bottom. I understand that there is a specific window for all minor league teams, but it just seems like too much unnecessary clicking around. I find it much more economical and accessible with everything on one window.

Just my two cents.

sfeldkamp · 05-12-2006, 11:47 AM

The catcher fielding section of the team fielding report has IP and CERA which it probably should not. Nice report though!

White Sox · 05-12-2006, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by sfeldkamp

The catcher fielding section of the team fielding report has IP and CERA which it probably should not. Nice report though!

Au contraire, my friend. I find that very informative when looking at just how many innings the catcher has caught and what the team ERA is with him behind the plate!

sfeldkamp · 05-12-2006, 11:51 AM

I love seeing VORP, Runs Created, Runs Created per 27, and ISO Power on the batting totals (though doesn't VORP have a defensive component too?) Awesome!

sfeldkamp · 05-12-2006, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Waninski

Au contraire, my friend. I find that very informative when looking at just how many innings the catcher has caught and what the team ERA is with him behind the plate!

Good point, but maybe it should be renamed to be Innings Caught if that really is the statistic there. I withdraw my objection to CERA. That's the right place for it, though comparing catcher's CERA is pretty meaningless I think. Even between catchers on the same team...

kdawg · 05-12-2006, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by sfeldkamp

I love seeing VORP, Runs Created, Runs Created per 27, and ISO Power on the batting totals (though doesn't VORP have a defensive component too?) Awesome!

From www.stathead.com/bbeng/woolner/vorpdescnew.htm,

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VORP, by itself, does not make any measurement of the quality of a player's defense at the position he plays. In other words, VORP implicitly assumes that all defenders at a position are equally good fielders. However, you can combine VORP with your favorite run-denominated version of fielding performance (Total Baseball's Fielding Runs, or similar measures based on Zone Rating or Defensive Average, for example), to get what I call VORPD (VORP + Defense). This would be a reasonably complete measure of player value.

White Sox · 05-12-2006, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by sfeldkamp

Good point, but maybe it should be renamed to be Innings Caught if that really is the statistic there. I withdraw my objection to CERA. That's the right place for it, though comparing catcher's CERA is pretty meaningless I think. Even between catchers on the same team...

I believe you are right that it should be "Innings Caught", though I do believe I have seen official stats listing it has "IP" under catching statistics.

The CERA is important in real life when determining what catcher has the best ability to call a game. I'm not sure how much of a factor that is in this game, however.

battists · 05-12-2006, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Waninski

I just really started looking at these new screenshots yesterday, so I apologize if this has been discussed.

But, if I may voice one complaint from what I see, it is about the transactions screen. Besides the main roster page, the transactions page is naturally the next screen I look at the most. I dislike the 2x2 window format where not all minor league teams are visible at once. I really favor the OOTP5 example where the Roster, DL, and Trading Block window were on top and then all minor league screens were visible on the bottom. I understand that there is a specific window for all minor league teams, but it just seems like too much unnecessary clicking around. I find it much more economical and accessible with everything on one window.

Just my two cents.

Waniski, I think I have a reply for you, but can you point me to the specific screenie you are talking about?

White Sox · 05-12-2006, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by battists

Waninski, I think I have a reply for you, but can you point me to the specific screenie you are talking about?

The second and third transaction screens from Jan 2006.

http://www.ootpbaseball2006.com/scre...ll&m=01&y=2006

sfeldkamp · 05-12-2006, 12:09 PM

Man, I've been wrong alot this morning. I like CERA as a novelty/informative statistic, but I don't think it has any use as a predictive statistic. There are just too many variables that can't be controlled.

Obviously you can't use it to compare catchers across teams, they don't catch the same pitchers. So even comparing two catchers handling the same pitching staff you have the problems of small sample size and inequal situations not to mention the problems with ERA to begin with.

White Sox · 05-12-2006, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sfeldkamp

Man, I've been wrong alot this morning. I like CERA as a novelty/informative statistic, but I don't think it has any use as a predictive statistic. There are just too many variables that can't be controlled.

Obviously you can't use it to compare catchers across teams, they don't catch the same pitchers. So even comparing two catchers handling the same pitching staff you have the problems of small sample size and inequal situations not to mention the problems with ERA to begin with.

I agree that it is a stat really to be used within one organization, but it is also helpful when looking at a catcher over the course of his career and how he may have handled less than superb starting staffs.

I envision it being used primarily if you have two catchers that share approximately the same amount of playing time and likely have similar offensive abilities.

Stu · 05-12-2006, 12:17 PM

Might just be me, but I'm not a big fan of the logo's behind the linescores in the second screen. It makes it harder to read the text IMO and for some reason, make me think of Clowns.

White Sox · 05-12-2006, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu

Might just be me, but I'm not a big fan of the logo's behind the linescores in the second screen. It makes it harder to read the text IMO and for some reason, make me think of Clowns.

To be fair, those are kind of clownish logos. Another reason why I prefer MLB players/teams to fiction.

Stu · 05-12-2006, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Waninski

To be fair, those are kind of clownish logos. Another reason why I prefer MLB players/teams to fiction.

Hehe, yeah they are. I think real logo's will make it look less clownish, I'd just prefer they are more transparent, to make the text easier to read. I'm just thinking of how a really dark logo might look.

NomarHits400 · 05-12-2006, 12:27 PM

Minor quibble (and this may be customizable)- but I'd really like to see the catcher's caught stealing % related with a couple more sig-figs- as opposed to the 0.3 and 0.4 seen in the screenshot here....Never seen that stat related that way- so perhaps it's already been taken care of....Looking good overall though!!!

cephasjames · 05-12-2006, 12:30 PM

Are we sure Markus didn't kidnap Jeff Cato? Or is he Jeff Cato? Because this stuff looks just like CatoBase.

battists · 05-12-2006, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Waninski

I dislike the 2x2 window format where not all minor league teams are visible at once. I really favor the OOTP5 example where the Roster, DL, and Trading Block window were on top and then all minor league screens were visible on the bottom. I find it much more economical and accessible with everything on one window.

OK Waninski, I'm not sure this is going to help at all, but I'll try to explain a bit more. First of all, I never played OOTP5, so apologies for not being able to make that comparison.

Part of the struggle in designing this version is, of course, that the # of minor league teams is no longer fixed. Therefore, the game has to be flexible enough to accommodate a number of minor leagues - the default major league-style league would have 5 minors. So, given that you weren't going to be able to fit all of those on the screen, I think Markus elected to go with a 2x2 screen to make the screen a little less cramped, and to be able to include some basic information about each player.

Each of the boxes in the 2x2 set is customizable. So, if you wanted to have your screen show 4 minor league levels, you could do that. Remember, you also have right-click functionality where you can right-click on a player and perform a transaction.

So, perhaps that doesn't assuage your fears, but perhaps it helps understand a bit better.

Thanks!

Steve

05-12-2006, 11:30 AM	#1
Marc Duffy SI Marketing Wizard Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Old Street, London Posts: 4,741	TRTR : Day 12 3 New screenshots As usual, in our gallery http://www.ootpbaseball2006.com/screenshots.php The fun continues over the weekend with more screenshots and at least one new blog!

05-12-2006, 11:32 AM	#3
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05-12-2006, 11:45 AM	#4
White Sox All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 583	I just really started looking at these new screenshots yesterday, so I apologize if this has been discussed. But, if I may voice one complaint from what I see, it is about the transactions screen. Besides the main roster page, the transactions page is naturally the next screen I look at the most. I dislike the 2x2 window format where not all minor league teams are visible at once. I really favor the OOTP5 example where the Roster, DL, and Trading Block window were on top and then all minor league screens were visible on the bottom. I understand that there is a specific window for all minor league teams, but it just seems like too much unnecessary clicking around. I find it much more economical and accessible with everything on one window. Just my two cents. __________________ "Pitching, Defense, and the Three-Run Homer."

05-12-2006, 12:30 PM	#19
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05-12-2006, 11:47 AM	#5
sfeldkamp Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 184	The catcher fielding section of the team fielding report has IP and CERA which it probably should not. Nice report though!

05-12-2006, 11:51 AM	#7
sfeldkamp Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 184	I love seeing VORP, Runs Created, Runs Created per 27, and ISO Power on the batting totals (though doesn't VORP have a defensive component too?) Awesome!

05-12-2006, 12:09 PM	#13
sfeldkamp Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 184	Man, I've been wrong alot this morning. I like CERA as a novelty/informative statistic, but I don't think it has any use as a predictive statistic. There are just too many variables that can't be controlled. Obviously you can't use it to compare catchers across teams, they don't catch the same pitchers. So even comparing two catchers handling the same pitching staff you have the problems of small sample size and inequal situations not to mention the problems with ERA to begin with.

05-12-2006, 12:17 PM	#15
Stu All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,255	Might just be me, but I'm not a big fan of the logo's behind the linescores in the second screen. It makes it harder to read the text IMO and for some reason, make me think of Clowns.

05-12-2006, 12:27 PM	#18
NomarHits400 Major Leagues Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 347	Minor quibble (and this may be customizable)- but I'd really like to see the catcher's caught stealing % related with a couple more sig-figs- as opposed to the 0.3 and 0.4 seen in the screenshot here....Never seen that stat related that way- so perhaps it's already been taken care of....Looking good overall though!!!