2006 Oakland A's Thread - Page 22

JDOldSchool · 04-15-2006, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mikev

Kotsay and Johnson could be flipped, but Swisher is hotter than Kotsay is and he seemed to like hitting in the 2 hole.

In theory Kotsay is pretty much our 2nd worst hitting starter. Kendall is worse, that's it. Johnson should be a better hitter than Kotsay, but obviously he's slumping.

It really bugs me that just because Kendall is overpaid Macha chooses to NEVER SIT HIM DOWN. Melhuse at least as good with the bat, and should be playing 2 or 3 times a week. It's time to mail it in with Kendall.

I think Chavez, Bradley, and Thomas are quite possibly the only A's hitters who are definitely better than Kotsay.

As for Melhuse/Kendall, I don't really think Melhuse is that good. I just think Kendall really sucks and Melhuse should get a chance to play more. He may not do any better, might do worse, but like you said, we'll never know.

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Originally Posted by darkhorse

It would certainly make sense that the better player would be in the lineup more. Which Ichiro is most certainly.

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Originally Posted by darkhorse

Value doesn't get more basic than scoring runs or suppressing them. Ichiro put about 140 more runs on the table for his club with the bat during that five year period.

Player A hits 25 homers in 600 at bats. Player B hits 24 homers in 200 at bats. By the logic you're using, Player A is better. That's bull**** and we both know it. Yes, ideally the better player is probably in the lineup more. Or one player is significantly younger and was finishing up his minor league days and missed about 80 or so games that first year. How do you numbers look with 2001 removed, since Dunn didn't come up till July?

Also, to say Ichiro is certainly better makes no sense when A) I'm talking offense only and B) Dunn has better offensive numbers.

Everything I've ever read has said that, assuming sample size is not an issue, looking at rate stats > looking at counting stats. You're blowing my mind here by doing the opposite.

Skipaway · 04-15-2006, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mikev

Sadly, we'll never actually find out.

I think Melhuse's history is enough to show that.

mikev · 04-15-2006, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

I think Melhuse's history is enough to show that.

According to Kendall's history, he should be able to put up a .900 OPS and hit 14 bombs.

Skipaway · 04-15-2006, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mikev

According to Kendall's history, he should be able to put up a .900 OPS and hit 14 bombs.

If Kendall hit exactly like last year, he'd be on the same level of Melhuse.

JDOldSchool · 04-15-2006, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

If Kendall hit exactly like last year, he'd be on the same level of Melhuse.

Well, at this point, he is hitting exactly like last year.

I think what mike is saying is that Melhuse should at least get some at bats. If they're on the same level, they're interchangable. Melhuse has hit the ball well this season in very limited at bats. Why not give him a few more to see if he can continue the hot streak?

mlyons · 04-15-2006, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mikev

According to Kendall's history, he should be able to put up a .900 OPS and hit 14 bombs.

Kendall has a .782 OPS for his career and has averaged 7 homeruns per season. It's a bit unreasonable to expect someone to achieve a career best season every season.

Skipaway · 04-15-2006, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

Well, at this point, he is hitting exactly like last year.

I think what mike is saying is that Melhuse should at least get some at bats. If they're on the same level, they're interchangable. Melhuse has hit the ball well this season in very limited at bats. Why not give him a few more to see if he can continue the hot streak?

Probably because they are not on the same level outside of offense. Melhuse is also older with even fewer chance of bouncing back a bit.

JDOldSchool · 04-15-2006, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

Probably because they are not on the same level outside of offense. Melhuse is also older with even fewer chance of bouncing back a bit.

Fine. Both catchers suck. So why did they move Daric Barton to first base?

Speaking of Barton, he's off to a hot start at Sacramento. I wonder if there's any chance of Kendall "mysteriously disappearing" and Barton coming up to catch.

Today's lineup DOESN'T SUCK (too much):
Kotsay CF
Swisher LF
Crosby SS
Chavez 3B
Thomas DH
Bradley RF
Scutaro 2B
Kendall C
Johnson 1B

Skipaway · 04-15-2006, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

Fine. Both catchers suck. So why did they move Daric Barton to first base?

Because he wasn't a good catcher, and the team got other catching prospects.

JDOldSchool · 04-15-2006, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

Because he wasn't a good catcher, and the team got other catching prospects.

Then bring up Suzuki, he's destroying people in AA right now. Bring up somebody. The Kendall/Melhuse argument is kinda silly since it's like choosing between cancer and AIDS. Maybe Suzuki would just be pneumonia.

sean-patin · 04-15-2006, 06:06 PM

I loved Suzuki at Cal-State Fullerton... i really like him and Jason Windsor staying together throughout their pro careers too.... could be good for them, as I like both of their future prospects!

You know what Billy Beane should be trying to do right now (not sure what he is doing)... trying to trade Jay Payton or Bobby Kielty... possibly even Jason Kendall... i was reading in SI about possibly trading Kendall back to the Pirates who have 2-3 good catching prospects who are all very close, if not already, major-league ready! Also, Payton and Kielty are both kind've surplus OFs assuming that the lineup includes Swisher, Bradley, Kotsay in OF w/ Johnson at 1B and Thomas at DH.... plus, there are 2 of them who are both pretty good players and that would still keep one on the team for some depth!

Green & Gold Heart · 04-15-2006, 06:08 PM

Melhuse has the power that Kendall obviously lacks, but yeah, I'd say with the pluses and minuses they're about the same.

At least Melhuse gets to play when Loaiza pitches...

Green & Gold Heart · 04-15-2006, 06:11 PM

I heart Kurt Suzuki. He's been at spring training with the big boys the last two years so he looks to be the catcher of the future. I hope sure so.

Green & Gold Heart · 04-15-2006, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sean-patin

I loved Suzuki at Cal-State Fullerton... i really like him and Jason Windsor staying together throughout their pro careers too.... could be good for them, as I like both of their future prospects!

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mikev · 04-15-2006, 06:17 PM

I wish Landon Powell wouldn't have shredded his knee

mikev · 04-15-2006, 06:23 PM

Anybody still think Swisher should hit 8th?

Faroo6 · 04-15-2006, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mikev

Anybody still think Swisher should hit 8th?

Macha, tomorrow

Green & Gold Heart · 04-15-2006, 06:36 PM

****.

JDOldSchool · 04-15-2006, 06:38 PM

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I wish Landon Powell wouldn't have shredded his knee

I wish Harden wouldn't have given up a 3-run homer just now.

Green & Gold Heart · 04-15-2006, 06:40 PM

Well Chavez just got one of those back. Maybe Big Frank will get the other one back.

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sean-patin Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 205	I loved Suzuki at Cal-State Fullerton... i really like him and Jason Windsor staying together throughout their pro careers too.... could be good for them, as I like both of their future prospects! You know what Billy Beane should be trying to do right now (not sure what he is doing)... trying to trade Jay Payton or Bobby Kielty... possibly even Jason Kendall... i was reading in SI about possibly trading Kendall back to the Pirates who have 2-3 good catching prospects who are all very close, if not already, major-league ready! Also, Payton and Kielty are both kind've surplus OFs assuming that the lineup includes Swisher, Bradley, Kotsay in OF w/ Johnson at 1B and Thomas at DH.... plus, there are 2 of them who are both pretty good players and that would still keep one on the team for some depth!

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Green & Gold Heart Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 5,242	Melhuse has the power that Kendall obviously lacks, but yeah, I'd say with the pluses and minuses they're about the same. At least Melhuse gets to play when Loaiza pitches...

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