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Old 04-06-2002, 11:18 AM   #21
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[quote]Originally posted by Henry:
<strong>BTW Joshu(a*6) - who's the cutie in the pic (and don't you dare tell me it's you!

ps: I hate the "Hankies" too </strong><hr></blockquote>

Nope, not me, and she's almost as cute as <a href="http://www.goldenquartz.com/charconw10.jpg" target="_blank">my wife.</a> All I know is she came from <a href="http://www.redheadgallery.com/" target="_blank">The Redhead Gallery</a>, where she's in Gallery six. Even without a name, she's good to look at
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Old 04-06-2002, 11:49 AM   #22
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Most of you guys missed out on the "glory" years with Jake Gibbs, Gene Michael & Horace Clarke. None of those late 60's - mid 70's Yank teams were truly awful, but a 3-game series against them was a welcome diversion for most AL clubs. I miss those years when a team like the Twins could actually be considered a pre-season powerhouse and did not have to count on all the solar systems stars being aligned in order to make a pennant run . Hell, it was not even fun cheering against the Yanks then, you actually had to feel sorry for them .
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Old 04-06-2002, 11:52 AM   #23
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Or that nice time in the late 80's early 90's...
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Old 04-06-2002, 12:01 PM   #24
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Scott and Killebrew.

I remember some of those Yankees teams (I was born in 1961) and that's when hating them was more of the rivalry hatred...they were the closest AL team to Baltimore, so we always wanted to beat the Yankees. And they were from New York, and we were still bitter about losing to a New York team in the 1969 World Series. That was the good type of rivalry hatred. Now its the jealousy/arrogance hatred. I want to go back to the old ways
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Old 04-06-2002, 12:54 PM   #25
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Not to rail on a O's fan, but your team over the last seven or eight years has spent just as freely as any team in baseball. As a Tiger fan I just wish our management would do something that works. As a Tiger fan I wish all the pro sports would come together and make a rule that if you own a team in one sport you can't own a team in another sport. I am sick of the Tiger's owner using his baseball team to fund his hockey team.
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Old 04-06-2002, 01:41 PM   #26
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A couple things from a lifelong Yankee fan:

a) Nothing ticks me off more than having survived the awful (AWFUL) late 80s/early 90s as a Yankee fan, only to be called a bandwagon-jumper now that they're winning. I grew up in Flushing, hate the Mets, love the Yanks, have permanent scars as a result (and that's not a joke). So I think it's safe to say I'm not a bandwagon-jumper, ok?

b) I've come to the conclusion that, as much as they hate to admit it, people don't hate the Yankees for spending money, they hate the Yankees for spending money WELL. There are other teams that spend almost as much money (LA and Boston spring immediately to mind) but do less than ---- with it. And, of course, there are teams that don't have that much money to spare but do stupid things with it (Rangers). The Yankees know exactly what they're doing when they spend money, and THAT'S what gets under people's skins. If the Yanks were spending $115M a year and sitting just above the Devil Rays every season, nobody'd have a problem with it. Since they spend their money in a halfway-intelligent manner and make wise investments, people see them as the Antichrist of baseball.

c) Like BasicGuy said, if you're looking for a team that "bought a championship" (and what exactly is the problem with that anyway? Isn't that what professional sports is, paying players to win?), look at the '97 Marlins. 25 players who served their purpose by beating the Cleveland Indians (the Indians in the Series? *shudder*) and getting the ring. After that, the players were gone, the team went down the tubes. That's buying a championship, my friends. And people who talk about the Yankees' buying championships should get their facts straight. I consider buying to be picking up a free agent, or in some cases (some) making a trade. Andy Pettitte, Derek Jeter, Bernie Williams, Mariano Rivera, Jorge Posada, Shane Spencer... all home-grown Yankee talent. When you've had someone say to you (direct quote) "If the Yanks didn't buy Jeter and Rivera, they'd be nothing," it's kind of hard to avoid laughing in their faces.

d) Love 'em or hate 'em, the Yankees can be counted on to deliver some pretty entertaining baseball. See: 1996 World Series, 1998 season, '98 and '99 perfect games, 2001 Division Series, and 2001 World Series (specifically games 4, 5, and 7). Nothing like watching the end of game 5 and having your friend (Mets fan) call up and say "How the ---- did they DO that?"
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Old 04-06-2002, 01:48 PM   #27
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Actually, my biggest problem with the Yankees is that they insist that clutch hitters exist
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Old 04-06-2002, 09:51 PM   #28
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TotalEnd98 and Kent, thankyou. You guys brought up points that i've been tryin to pound on people for years now. The Yanks do a good job of business and invest their money on good players. They dont spend their money on wastes of talent like other teams do. I agree with the Pohlad thing as well (i mentioned this before in a thread i started about a month ago) the guy pockets all his money. Steinbrenner puts his money on his franchise. LIke i said before, The Yanks are NOT the example of bad baseball, they are the example of wats good in baseball. An owner that spends money on his franchise. Doesnt pocket a dime and only cares about winning...wats wrong with all that? Isnt that wat you are suppose to do. This small market crap is gettin to me already. Really, Minnesota is not THAT small market. Tampa Bay small market? come on now. I know they draw like 20,000 fans a game only BUT its so much easier to label a team small market when its owner pockets so much cash it appears as if the team is running under Bud Seligs accountant. Nobody called the Yankees small market when 3 million fans was as common as Bud Selig finding a new wig...which is NEVER. thats right. until 1998 the Yankees HAD NEVER drew 3 million fans. so now they win championships b/c the scouts and owner only look for class act guys that work together and people have to hate? Stop putting the blame on the Yankees AND MLB, and start pointing your finger at your own team and start asking why your owner doesnt do more for HIS TEAM.

edit: i'm sorry if i come off strong, but honestly the whole issue just gets to me already. I really wish baseball was more even, and i wish there were things we could all do to make it even. But i disagree with things like revenue sharing. Its like telling Bill Gates he has to give 1 billion dollars a year to small businesses in Alabama because they dont pull in as much revenue. Thats pathetic and unfair to a man thats running his business the right way. Baseball has issue, we all know that. BUT think for a second, do you really think Bud Selig could fix those problems without forcing the players to go on strike and canceling yet another baseball season. its too risky and its just not gonna happen. for baseball to fix itself we would have to sacrifice at least 2 full seasons. i dont think any fans want that.

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Old 04-07-2002, 04:19 AM   #29
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Last time I was at Fenway, (last season), I remember the soothing sounds that entered my ears;


YANKEES SUCK!! YANKEES SUCK!! YANKEES SUCK!!


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Old 04-07-2002, 04:34 AM   #30
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Is there anything more pathetic than Red Sox fans chanting "Yankees suck!"?
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Old 04-07-2002, 04:57 AM   #31
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[quote]Originally posted by Kemp:
<strong>Is there anything more pathetic than Red Sox fans chanting "Yankees suck!"?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, trying to get a "wave" started at Olympic Stadium in Montreal .


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Old 04-07-2002, 05:44 AM   #32
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Ha! Good point, Killebrew.

I stand corrected.
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Old 04-07-2002, 07:06 AM   #33
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[quote]Originally posted by TotalEnd98:
<strong>A couple things from a lifelong Yankee fan:

a) Nothing ticks me off more than having survived the awful (AWFUL) late 80s/early 90s as a Yankee fan, only to be called a bandwagon-jumper now that they're winning. I grew up in Flushing, hate the Mets, love the Yanks, have permanent scars as a result (and that's not a joke). So I think it's safe to say I'm not a bandwagon-jumper, ok?

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I've been a Red Sox fan since 1975 ... I was 6 and it was the first World series my dad let me stay up to watch .... I think the reason I hate the Yankees so much is because it's required by law if you are a Red Sox fan .... other reasons include the bandwagon fans .... no disrespect but you may have been one of 500 Yankee fans in the mid 80's .... now everyone is a Yankees fan, they are the Cowboys of Baseball ... although I do think bandwagon fans are made a little extreme by fans of teams that never win anything .... if the Sox reeled off 5 straight Series' then I'm sure I'd be called a bandwagon fan .... Roger Clemens made me hate the Yankees a little more .... it's a hated rivarly and after wearing a Sox uni for all those years he goes and puts pinstripes on .... Wade Boggs, the joke was on Yankee fans, he was always a piece of crap, but Clemens, he was our God ....the buying a championship theory is wrong .... Georgie boy plays within the system and untill it changes teams with the most money will always win, besides the Sox spend money too ... calling a Sox fan jealous is like being a three year old .... we are not jealous it is actual hatred .... everytime we do good, the Yankees smack us back down to reality, we have never beaten the Yanks in any game or series that actually mattered, (frickin Bucky Dent) and if it's not the Yanks then it's your little brother (Mets), I am not jealous of the Yankees, I actually hate them .... my 12 y/o is a Sox fan by DNA but he didn't have the built in hatred until Henson left Michigan (his favorite) to play for them, now he hates them too ..... oh well, bottom line is that I'm not petty about, Joe Torre is one of the classiest guys in all of baseball, after that I've got nothing good to say about the Yanks .... oh yeah, Yankee Fan, please keep booing Giambi, which was the reason he was slow to sign with you guys in the first place, please keep booing
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Old 04-07-2002, 08:02 AM   #34
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[quote]Originally posted by Kemp:
<strong>Is there anything more pathetic than Red Sox fans chanting "Yankees suck!"?</strong><hr></blockquote>

That question is too long. It should be: "Is there anything more pathetic than a Red Sox fan?"
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Old 04-07-2002, 08:48 AM   #35
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i'm a little bit disappointed that Yankee fans booed Giambi. I think thats beyond stupid. If you guys wanna know who the bandwagon riders are, its those people that do stupid things like that. I would NEVER boo a Yankee if he's performing bad. I remember my father being upset when Tino wasnt doin anything (he started like 0-17 as a Yankee) I just waited patiently. Finished with 33 Hrs, 113 RBI as a Yankee for 6 years. When was the last time we had a 30 HR hitter in New York before Tino? (And bernie who had 30 in 99) I remember once watchin Mike Stanley hit number 25 or somethin one year and the announcers were sooo excited! amazing.

Booing Giambi is pathetic and only fake fans would do that. I understand that fans want to see a guy perform... BUT did Texas boo Alex Rodriguez when he started off slow? NOPE! Pathetic, i'm ashamed to be a Yankee fan after that display. I could understand why people hate Yankee fans. Because its the idiots like those that pay 6 dollars to sit in a bleacher seat and act like the total idiots they are. I hate THOSE yankee fans. And i'm sure thats wat you guys are also referring to. I'm a Yankee fan and not once have i acted arrogant. I have Red Sox fans tellin me how much they like me b/c i'm one of the most respectful Yankee (and Baseball) fans in the world. Those people that booed Giambi just give me more reason to understand other fans positions when it comes to liking or hating the Yankees and their fans. I wonder where those fans will be when Giambi crushes his 40th homerun in Yankee Stadium (I bet cheering him on and sayin, "Yea i knew he was gonna be great!) I HATE THOSE YANKEE FANS! Argh!
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Old 04-07-2002, 08:56 AM   #36
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I personally tend to root for the small teams (that does not include Tampa Bay), and for interesting seasons. Sometimes I am getting tired of seeing the Yankees win (although they lose at times as well, thank you Mr. Gonzales), but heck, you cannot blame them for winning. It's true that they have lots of home-grown talent, probably more than most MLB teams. And Joe Torre is a terrific manager. Anyway, for some strange reason, I'd pick the Red Sox all the way as my favorite team in the AL East.
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Old 04-07-2002, 10:50 AM   #37
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Being a Texas Rangers fan, the Yankees inherently suck. The Rangers got smacked 9 - 1 in three playoff series in four years, being shut out in several of them. I hate they are good, and I loathe their money and marketing domination. Soon John Hart will lead the Rangers past the Yanks (years from now ).
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