How come Baseball Mogul can have MLB License and this game can't - Page 4

Razorwing77 · 03-14-2006, 04:45 PM

I know I'm in the minority, but I'd pay a little more to have official MLB rosters and logos and stuff. I like playing current, historical, and psuedo-fictional MLB seasons, and to me, there's something to be said to have everything work right out out of the box. Or in this case right out of the zipped download file. As much as I'm looking forward to OOTP 2006, it's not so cool that I have to wait a week or few to be able to play the game like I like to play it.

The previous poster got railed for it, but I see his point. There may be no historical liscense, but it would be awesome for the game to have historical data (teams, number of teams in leagues, rosters, stadiums, etc corresponding) to come pre-loaded. Historical leagues are great fun, but I sometimes opt out of playing them since they require so much work to get up and running. That's about the only thing I appreciated in last year's Mogul game. When you got to 1977, the Mariners and Blue Jays show up, 1993, the Marlins and Rockies show up, etc.

statfreak · 03-14-2006, 05:07 PM

I can't say this enough or loud enough, a MLB license would kill the game for a majority of its current fan base. Sure, they'd quickly be replaced, but I know that I would not purchase the game because of the restricitons a MLB license would impose on the game.

Right now, everybody gets want they want even if some people have to wait a week or month to get it. Why limit the game and make it unplayable (rather, less entertaining) for many current users just to have a MLB license?

Does not make any sense to me what having a MLB license could possibly add to the game.

Twelvefield · 03-15-2006, 05:16 AM

Does not make sense to me why people would choose to add Brussels Sprouts to their diet. Or play the bagpipes. Or, god forbid, both. MLB license or not, I'd still spring the $ for OOTPB. There are things about OOTPB I don't like -- minimal graphics and sound, e-license, the payware patch, and so forth. But the list of cons is still outweighed by the list of pros, and until that changes, I will continue to be an OOTPB customer, albeit a critical one.

Raderick · 03-15-2006, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Twelvefield

...There are things about OOTPB I don't like -- minimal graphics and sound,...

What more do you expect out of a text simulator? Are you looking for MVP Baseball 2005 with OOTP 2006 capabilities?

And as for eLicense, I never had a problem with them when I had to reset my IDs when my computer went DOA. What is so bad about them? I don't understand.

I also am on the end that says not having the MLB or a MLBPA license is the best way to go, as it won't put restrictions that most other games had to endure.

Marc Duffy · 03-15-2006, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Twelvefield

Does not make sense to me why people would choose to add Brussels Sprouts to their diet. Or play the bagpipes. Or, god forbid, both. MLB license or not, I'd still spring the $ for OOTPB. There are things about OOTPB I don't like -- minimal graphics and sound, e-license, the payware patch, and so forth. But the list of cons is still outweighed by the list of pros, and until that changes, I will continue to be an OOTPB customer, albeit a critical one.

Probably the first real negative comment I've heard about E-License. Interested to know why

Also, games like this always suffer from mimimal graphics and sound. To me, they are not about that. These games are more about the imagination, attention to detail and addictiveness.

treedom · 03-15-2006, 07:50 AM

I always turn the sound off in OOTP as well as the menu animations which are too flashy and get in the way. It's a text sim. All it needs is.......text!

Ford Prefect · 03-15-2006, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by treedom

I always turn the sound off in OOTP as well as the menu animations which are too flashy and get in the way. It's a text sim. All it needs is.......text!

amen

mcgsports · 03-16-2006, 09:30 AM

With MLB or any other License you have to get permission to update like change a Team's Logo,Name and so on! Now NHL Eastside Hockey Manager has a NHL License but you can not gid rid of an NHL team for new one meaning like making the Detroit Red Wings not be Afflicated and make let say Kansas City an NHL franchise in the game but can only rename them to Kansas City1 But you can only have five teams in NHL Division and do not rename Divisions or the game will not work!
Okay might have allready said this before lets have a Minor League License with real names and teams but the Players and Pitchers will be the ones not on a 40 Man Rosters,The ones on a the 40 Man Rosters will be a fake person who lloks the same like Jim Dowd is Barry Bonds in MVP Baseball,The Personal and Staff all would be real!
A Historical License will be their easy to add because all the Pitchers and Players are retired and what ever else you can think of!

Dan Theman · 03-16-2006, 10:39 AM

MCG -

I, like everyone else, would like to thank you for you enthusiasm in trying to think up wonderful ideas to make OOTP 2006 an even greater game than it already will be.

The minor leagues are owned by the major league franchises, and the players are their property. I believe you're confusing a license with MLB and the MLBPA, the latter of which does not include those players not on the 40 man rosters ... nor Barry Bonds, because he didn't sign the group licensing agreement.

Furthermore, as already mentioned, retired players & logos no longer have their marketing rights & likenesses owned by MLB nor by the MLBPA. That's why there is no "historical license" - not because historical players and teams wouldn't be interesting, but rather that it wouldn't have any value whatsoever because such things are the marketing and legal equivalent of "freeware."

Finally, is there an issue with you or anyone downloading rosters? You are planning on downloading the game, right? Rosters work the same way, but from a different site.

OOTP isn't a console game where rosters are fixed for the majority of players. They can be added to, customized, randomly generated, etc.. If you want names of front office people in baseball, I (and other people here) can also probably hook you up with that, too. For instance, Marlene and Barbara are the secretaries in baseball ops for the Cleveland Indians. I'd put their patience ratings at around 75 out of 80 at the very minimum. However, my scouts tell me that they may both have potentials of 80, apiece. Another year, and hopefully they'll max out to where Marc's & BigCity's are.

Assos · 03-16-2006, 10:42 AM

That is just it. That is the point. The lack of the licience is what makes this game. If we had an MLBPA or an MLB agreement, Marcus would be limited to what can be done. And if he wants to have moving teams or different stadiums, MLB may say no way. You are using are names so you are limited to what you can develop into the game. The minute the MLB comes in, the pieces of the game we all love will die with it. We will always be able to get rosters and logos, it is the internet and there is a large underground community.
I do my bit in supporting MLB. I watch games on TV, I buy tickets, I even watched the WBC..... so this having this little joy of rosters is the least they owe me. After 1994, they owe all of us a little soemthing!

theasfl · 03-16-2006, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan Theman

MCG -

I, like everyone else, would like to thank you for you enthusiasm in trying to think up wonderful ideas to make OOTP 2006 an even greater game than it already will be.

The minor leagues are owned by the major league franchises, and the players are their property. I believe you're confusing a license with MLB and the MLBPA, the latter of which does not include those players not on the 40 man rosters ... nor Barry Bonds, because he didn't sign the group licensing agreement.

Furthermore, as already mentioned, retired players & logos no longer have their marketing rights & likenesses owned by MLB nor by the MLBPA. That's why there is no "historical license" - not because historical players and teams wouldn't be interesting, but rather that it wouldn't have any value whatsoever because such things are the marketing and legal equivalent of "freeware."

Finally, is there an issue with you or anyone downloading rosters? You are planning on downloading the game, right? Rosters work the same way, but from a different site.

OOTP isn't a console game where rosters are fixed for the majority of players. They can be added to, customized, randomly generated, etc.. If you want names of front office people in baseball, I (and other people here) can also probably hook you up with that, too. For instance, Marlene and Barbara are the secretaries in baseball ops for the Cleveland Indians. I'd put their patience ratings at around 75 out of 80 at the very minimum. However, my scouts tell me that they may both have potentials of 80, apiece. Another year, and hopefully they'll max out to where Marc's & BigCity's are.

you are a far far far more patient man than I am....or Ive just seen more of his posts.

Zitofan75 · 03-16-2006, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by statfreak

I can't say this enough or loud enough, a MLB license would kill the game for a majority of its current fan base. Sure, they'd quickly be replaced, but I know that I would not purchase the game because of the restricitons a MLB license would impose on the game.

Right now, everybody gets want they want even if some people have to wait a week or month to get it. Why limit the game and make it unplayable (rather, less entertaining) for many current users just to have a MLB license?

Does not make any sense to me what having a MLB license could possibly add to the game.

Bingo. This game wouldn't be worth half the price to me if we were locked into MLB and had to play by their rules. The customability, the flexibility, the whole system make this worthwhile.

mgsports · 03-17-2006, 12:37 PM

That's why it isn't going to be in this game! It would be if the MLB was playing it! I have purchased the game and plan to use people's rosters! Mark or somebody who's making this game will probley makes that come with updated Patches!

jbsnadb · 03-17-2006, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Assos

I do my bit in supporting MLB. I watch games on TV, I buy tickets, I even watched the WBC..... so this having this little joy of rosters is the least they owe me. After 1994, they owe all of us a little soemthing!

You heard it here folks! Markus is responsible for the 1994 player's strike.

I KNEW it!

Marlinfan · 03-17-2006, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Marc Duffy

Probably the first real negative comment I've heard about E-License. Interested to know why

Only downside to e-license I know of is the hassle of having to contact them to renew the license which usually takes a day, rather than just looking inside the DVD case and getting the license off the back of the manual for instance, not exactly ideal when you have a few hours to kill & really fancy playing the game then realising you have to wait till the next day, apart from that I have nothing bad to say about e-license.

OTBA Team · 03-17-2006, 02:21 PM

Unless I contact them on a Sunday, I have never had a problem hearing back from them within a few hours. Hell, even on Sundays, I've gotten emails from them within 6 hours.

Marlinfan · 03-17-2006, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by OTBA Team

Unless I contact them on a Sunday, I have never had a problem hearing back from them within a few hours. Hell, even on Sundays, I've gotten emails from them within 6 hours.

Probably because I'm the UK & time zone it's not till the next day, I don't know just guessing but I've never had a reply same day.

treedom · 03-17-2006, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Marlinfan

Only downside to e-license I know of is the hassle of having to contact them to renew the license which usually takes a day, rather than just looking inside the DVD case and getting the license off the back of the manual for instance, not exactly ideal when you have a few hours to kill & really fancy playing the game then realising you have to wait till the next day, apart from that I have nothing bad to say about e-license.

Yeah, but you do get two of them, so you would only be forced into this situation in the unlikely event of two of your systems crashing at the same time.

statfreak · 03-17-2006, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Marlinfan

Only downside to e-license I know of is the hassle of having to contact them to renew the license which usually takes a day, rather than just looking inside the DVD case and getting the license off the back of the manual for instance, not exactly ideal when you have a few hours to kill & really fancy playing the game then realising you have to wait till the next day, apart from that I have nothing bad to say about e-license.

Simply not true. Of the 3 times I've contacted them within the last 2 months, I've received a reply within an hour.

Marlinfan · 03-17-2006, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by statfreak

Simply not true. Of the 3 times I've contacted them within the last 2 months, I've received a reply within an hour.

Damn, lucky you, maybe it's my e-mail server which delays me getting it then but everytime I have wrote to them I have never received a reply the same day.

It is the truth, I don't lie as I have nothing to gain by it, I'm not out to bad mouth anyone.

03-14-2006, 05:07 PM	#62
statfreak Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 2,434	I can't say this enough or loud enough, a MLB license would kill the game for a majority of its current fan base. Sure, they'd quickly be replaced, but I know that I would not purchase the game because of the restricitons a MLB license would impose on the game. Right now, everybody gets want they want even if some people have to wait a week or month to get it. Why limit the game and make it unplayable (rather, less entertaining) for many current users just to have a MLB license? Does not make any sense to me what having a MLB license could possibly add to the game. __________________ Roll out the barrel!

03-15-2006, 07:50 AM	#66
treedom Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: Transylvania Posts: 2,900	I always turn the sound off in OOTP as well as the menu animations which are too flashy and get in the way. It's a text sim. All it needs is.......text! __________________ A rake and a roustabout.

03-14-2006, 04:45 PM	#61
Razorwing77 Bat Boy Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 6	I know I'm in the minority, but I'd pay a little more to have official MLB rosters and logos and stuff. I like playing current, historical, and psuedo-fictional MLB seasons, and to me, there's something to be said to have everything work right out out of the box. Or in this case right out of the zipped download file. As much as I'm looking forward to OOTP 2006, it's not so cool that I have to wait a week or few to be able to play the game like I like to play it. The previous poster got railed for it, but I see his point. There may be no historical liscense, but it would be awesome for the game to have historical data (teams, number of teams in leagues, rosters, stadiums, etc corresponding) to come pre-loaded. Historical leagues are great fun, but I sometimes opt out of playing them since they require so much work to get up and running. That's about the only thing I appreciated in last year's Mogul game. When you got to 1977, the Mariners and Blue Jays show up, 1993, the Marlins and Rockies show up, etc.

03-15-2006, 05:16 AM	#63
Twelvefield All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,188	Does not make sense to me why people would choose to add Brussels Sprouts to their diet. Or play the bagpipes. Or, god forbid, both. MLB license or not, I'd still spring the $ for OOTPB. There are things about OOTPB I don't like -- minimal graphics and sound, e-license, the payware patch, and so forth. But the list of cons is still outweighed by the list of pros, and until that changes, I will continue to be an OOTPB customer, albeit a critical one.

03-16-2006, 09:30 AM	#68
mcgsports Banned Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 203	With MLB or any other License you have to get permission to update like change a Team's Logo,Name and so on! Now NHL Eastside Hockey Manager has a NHL License but you can not gid rid of an NHL team for new one meaning like making the Detroit Red Wings not be Afflicated and make let say Kansas City an NHL franchise in the game but can only rename them to Kansas City1 But you can only have five teams in NHL Division and do not rename Divisions or the game will not work! Okay might have allready said this before lets have a Minor League License with real names and teams but the Players and Pitchers will be the ones not on a 40 Man Rosters,The ones on a the 40 Man Rosters will be a fake person who lloks the same like Jim Dowd is Barry Bonds in MVP Baseball,The Personal and Staff all would be real! A Historical License will be their easy to add because all the Pitchers and Players are retired and what ever else you can think of!

03-16-2006, 10:42 AM	#70
Assos All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Just on the fair side of the foul pole! Posts: 1,768	That is just it. That is the point. The lack of the licience is what makes this game. If we had an MLBPA or an MLB agreement, Marcus would be limited to what can be done. And if he wants to have moving teams or different stadiums, MLB may say no way. You are using are names so you are limited to what you can develop into the game. The minute the MLB comes in, the pieces of the game we all love will die with it. We will always be able to get rosters and logos, it is the internet and there is a large underground community. I do my bit in supporting MLB. I watch games on TV, I buy tickets, I even watched the WBC..... so this having this little joy of rosters is the least they owe me. After 1994, they owe all of us a little soemthing!

03-17-2006, 12:37 PM	#73
mgsports Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 159	That's why it isn't going to be in this game! It would be if the MLB was playing it! I have purchased the game and plan to use people's rosters! Mark or somebody who's making this game will probley makes that come with updated Patches!

03-17-2006, 02:21 PM	#76
OTBA Team Guest Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 170	Unless I contact them on a Sunday, I have never had a problem hearing back from them within a few hours. Hell, even on Sundays, I've gotten emails from them within 6 hours.