Season High for Bryant (Kobe)

BrewedCrew · 02-24-2006, 12:02 PM

10 assists amazing

http://www.nba.com/games/20060223/SACLAL/recap.html

Sublimity · 02-24-2006, 12:05 PM

That will help him as the Olympic team.

IatricSB · 02-24-2006, 12:19 PM

But he's still not a team player with only 4.5 assists per game. He should try to be more like Jordan in 97-98 when he average 4.2 assists... Oh wait, bad example. How about 96-97 when he averaged 4.5 Wait, bad example. For their careers, Kobe should be like Jordan who averaged 0.8 assists more per game than Kobe.

bigphesta · 02-24-2006, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by IatricSB

But he's still not a team player with only 4.5 assists per game. He should try to be more like Jordan in 97-98 when he average 4.2 assists... Oh wait, bad example. How about 96-97 when he averaged 4.5 Wait, bad example. For their careers, Kobe should be like Jordan who averaged 0.8 assists more per game than Kobe.

Jordon won titles. Shaq won titles. Kobe can't win without Shaq.

IatricSB · 02-24-2006, 12:35 PM

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Jordon won titles. Shaq won titles. Kobe can't win without Shaq.

Jordan didn't win with Pippen and crew either, so what's the point?

EDIT - Remind me, how many titles did Shaq win on a team that didn't have Kobe?

BrewedCrew · 02-24-2006, 12:42 PM

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Jordan didn't win with Pippen and crew either, so what's the point?

EDIT - Remind me, how many titles did Shaq win on a team that didn't have Kobe?

he got to championship game lost to rockets but thats closer then kobe will ever get without shaq.

His Own Bad Self · 02-24-2006, 12:49 PM

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Jordon won titles. Shaq won titles. Kobe can't win without Shaq.

Look at his teammates - Lamar Odom, Smush Parker, and the leftovers of a CBA roster. Mike couldn't win without Pippen and Grant/Rodman.

His Own Bad Self · 02-24-2006, 12:51 PM

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he got to championship game lost to rockets but thats closer then kobe will ever get without shaq.

Shaq had Penny to help him out at the time, when Penny was actually a good player.

Skipaway · 02-24-2006, 12:58 PM

Every Kobe thread seems to repeat the same arguments. Not as good as Barry Bonds threads though.

IatricSB · 02-24-2006, 01:08 PM

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he got to championship game lost to rockets but thats closer then kobe will ever get without shaq.

Being close is great in horseshoes. I figured Shaq and Wade would go all the way last year but they didn't. Now they're both all-stars so once again there's more than one player leading the way. Shaq better hurry though, his PPG, RPG, APG, Steals/G, and Blocks/G this year are the lowest of his career but at least his turnovers per game are up. His minutes per game are down which would explain the down turn but why are minutes down? Has he been dinged up or is old man time climbing on his back?

Luis_Rivera · 02-24-2006, 01:15 PM

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Jordon won titles. Shaq won titles. Kobe can't win without Shaq.

And Jordan Never won without Pippen. And Shaq never won without Kobe. What's your point?

Slackker · 02-24-2006, 01:44 PM

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But he's still not a team player with only 4.5 assists per game. He should try to be more like Jordan in 97-98 when he average 4.2 assists... Oh wait, bad example. How about 96-97 when he averaged 4.5 Wait, bad example. For their careers, Kobe should be like Jordan who averaged 0.8 assists more per game than Kobe.

Yeah, screw the fact that Jordan had 1147 more assists at this point in his career, in 38 more games. I mean c'mon, that's practically neck and neck! Granted, Jordan had 3879 more minutes.. but I don't think it's MJ's fault that Kobe has only posted three NBA seasons (out of 9) where he hasn't missed at least 10 games. Jordan had 8, in comparison, out of his first nine seasons.

Slackker · 02-24-2006, 01:46 PM

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And Jordan Never won without Pippen. And Shaq never won without Kobe. What's your point?

Jordan had chances at 21, 22, 23, 38 and 39. Not exactly the same as Shaq (32 last year) or Kobe (26). Of course, Jordan did exit the NBA for awhile. No one's fault but his own that he still draws this argument against him, I suppose.

Not a big Jordan fan. My favorite player was always Mitch Richmond when I cared about the NBA. =D But there's quite a bit difference between 38, 32, and 26.

Luis_Rivera · 02-24-2006, 01:55 PM

I'm not trying to say that Jordan wasn't great, or trying to undermind his accomplishments by any means... I'm just saying that using championships won as reasoning that one player is better than the other is ****ing stupid.

Slackker · 02-24-2006, 02:10 PM

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I'm not trying to say that Jordan wasn't great, or trying to undermind his accomplishments by any means... I'm just saying that using championships won as reasoning that one player is better than the other is ****ing stupid.

I think you're wrong!

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His Own Bad Self · 02-24-2006, 02:29 PM

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Shaq better hurry though, his PPG, RPG, APG, Steals/G, and Blocks/G this year are the lowest of his career but at least his turnovers per game are up. His minutes per game are down which would explain the down turn but why are minutes down? Has he been dinged up or is old man time climbing on his back?

He's only playing about 30 minutes a game, and he's never played fewer than about 35 per game before. The unnecessary weight's got to be taking a toll, and I think being dinged constantly throughout his career can't have helped. So far he's still about the same player on a per-minute basis (better to use that than a per-game basis), except that he seems to be passing worse (assists down 35%) and handling the ball worse (turnovers up 12%) than he used to.

There are whispers going around that he's just not as quick as he used to be, and I think that's possible, too. His blocks are down and his fouls are up, which says to me that he's lost a step on the defensive end. He'll still be a high-caliber player because he's so good offensively (even given the 45% from the stripe), but I don't see him lasting past about 36-37 because of his conditioning problems.

IatricSB · 02-24-2006, 02:35 PM

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Yeah, screw the fact that Jordan had 1147 more assists at this point in his career, in 38 more games. I mean c'mon, that's practically neck and neck! Granted, Jordan had 3879 more minutes.. but I don't think it's MJ's fault that Kobe has only posted three NBA seasons (out of 9) where he hasn't missed at least 10 games. Jordan had 8, in comparison, out of his first nine seasons.

I think you should send your sarcasm detector into the shop, it appears to be defective.

EDIT - The sarcasm can be detected by the fact I chose two of MJ's worst years for assists to compare them to.

Erik W. · 02-24-2006, 03:09 PM

Last time I checked, Kobe plays the 2, better known as "shooting guard." So tell me why he should be passing instead of shooting.

DamnYankees · 02-24-2006, 03:28 PM

When was the last time somone won a title without either 1) another hall of famer on his team or 2) 4-5 incredible role players.

I can't think of anyone who's done that. My knowledge only really stretches back to the Magic/Kareen/Worthy days, but since then, no one has ever won anything by himself. And I doubt anyone did before.

I seem to recall Russel having Cousy and Wilt having West.

marc · 02-24-2006, 03:30 PM

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But he's still not a team player with only 4.5 assists per game. He should try to be more like Jordan in 97-98 when he average 4.2 assists... Oh wait, bad example. How about 96-97 when he averaged 4.5 Wait, bad example. For their careers, Kobe should be like Jordan who averaged 0.8 assists more per game than Kobe.

Or he could be a really bad ball hog like Iverson and his 7.5 assists per game.

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Luis_Rivera Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,177	I'm not trying to say that Jordan wasn't great, or trying to undermind his accomplishments by any means... I'm just saying that using championships won as reasoning that one player is better than the other is ****ing stupid.

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Erik W. Global Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Rivière-du-Loup, Qc Posts: 4,615	Last time I checked, Kobe plays the 2, better known as "shooting guard." So tell me why he should be passing instead of shooting.

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DamnYankees All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,644	When was the last time somone won a title without either 1) another hall of famer on his team or 2) 4-5 incredible role players. I can't think of anyone who's done that. My knowledge only really stretches back to the Magic/Kareen/Worthy days, but since then, no one has ever won anything by himself. And I doubt anyone did before. I seem to recall Russel having Cousy and Wilt having West.