Steelers Win

[jaxmagicman]

A little closer than I thought it would be. Still a lopsided score.

[matskralc]

Originally Posted by Jason Moyer

I am really glad I don't live on Carson St anymore. Happy they won, glad I'm not being mobbed by thousands of drunk yinzers.

You mean like this? Steeler fans take over Carson Street on Pittsburgh's South Side tonight as fans across the region celebrated the team's Super Bowl victory.

[Hurkman]

Carson Palmer's knee says you're welcome.

[Kekkonen]

Originally Posted by mrskippy

Take away the Roethlisberger touchdown and it's 17-14 SEA.

No. Take away the Roethlisberger touchdown and it's 4th and goal from the one-inch line. From there on, the options get numerous enough to make the what-if game really tough. (Personally, I would've preferred the Steelers to go for it and come up an inch short again to set up a Seahawks safety. Then they would've gone to halftime with a 3-2 scoreline, which is not something you see often.)

I also fail to see the point in calculating the non-penalized play percentages. If instead of a TD and a completion to the 3-yard-line, the two controversial Seattle penalties had wiped out a 4-yard screen pass and a 2-yard run, nobody would remember them any more.

[mrskippy]

Originally Posted by Kekkonen

No. Take away the Roethlisberger touchdown and it's 4th and goal from the one-inch line. From there on, the options get numerous enough to make the what-if game really tough. (Personally, I would've preferred the Steelers to go for it and come up an inch short again to set up a Seahawks safety. Then they would've gone to halftime with a 3-2 scoreline, which is not something you see often.)

I also fail to see the point in calculating the non-penalized play percentages. If instead of a TD and a completion to the 3-yard-line, the two controversial Seattle penalties had wiped out a 4-yard screen pass and a 2-yard run, nobody would remember them any more.

Or 3-3 at the half. All I'm saying is that had certain penalties been negated ... you very well could have seen a different outcome. In the Super Bowl, there should be no margin of error by the officials. In fact, I think the Super Bowl is one occasion where a coach should be able to throw the red flag on a penalty. It's that big.

Of course Big Ben's TD wasn't a penalty. It was reviewed. And, I still say he put the ball across the plane after being down.

[canadiancreed]

Originally Posted by mrskippy

Or 3-3 at the half. All I'm saying is that had certain penalties been negated ... you very well could have seen a different outcome. In the Super Bowl, there should be no margin of error by the officials. In fact, I think the Super Bowl is one occasion where a coach should be able to throw the red flag on a penalty. It's that big.

Of course Big Ben's TD wasn't a penalty. It was reviewed. And, I still say he put the ball across the plane after being down.

that's the thing, isn't the ball dead once it lands on the ground in the players hands? If so, it should have been whatever down and inches, instead of a TD.

[canadiancreed]

Originally Posted by matskralc

Depends on when it happened. Clock only stops when runner goes out of bounds during last two minutes of the first half or last five minutes of the second half.

it was the last minute of the second half.

[mrskippy]

Originally Posted by canadiancreed

that's the thing, isn't the ball dead once it lands on the ground in the players hands? If so, it should have been whatever down and inches, instead of a TD.

Yeah, the argument for the TD is the ball crossed the plane of the goal line prior to Big Ben being down.

It's all a big what if, but I think this game is much closer than what the final score reflected.

[canadiancreed]

Originally Posted by mrskippy

Yeah, the argument for the TD is the ball crossed the plane of the goal line prior to Big Ben being down.

It's all a big what if, but I think this game is much closer than what the final score reflected.

indeed. based on perfromance, the better team lost.

As for it crossing I never saw it cross, or even reach the line until he placed it after being down.

[mrskippy]

Originally Posted by canadiancreed

indeed. based on perfromance, the better team lost.

As for it crossing I never saw it cross, or even reach the line until he placed it after being down.

Agreed. Seahawks should have won this game.

[What!]

Originally Posted by mrskippy

Agreed. Seahawks should have won this game.

Seahawks did not do enough to say they should have won the game. They made no big plays. Watching the interviews not one seahawk player has said they felt cheated or has complained about the refs. Lofa just said that the Steelers desereved to win and were the better team.

[billethius]

Originally Posted by What!

Seahawks did not do enough to say they should have won the game. They made no big plays. Watching the interviews not one seahawk player has said they felt cheated or has complained about the refs. Lofa just said that the Steelers desereved to win and were the better team.

Perhaps this is just Karma coming back to bite them in the ass from the Giants game. I really do believe that they outplayed the Steelers, but they had some tough calls go against them and some missed opportunities. Tough loss, but a good season for the 'Hawks and I don't see any reason they can't make it back next year.

[Kekkonen]

Originally Posted by canadiancreed

indeed. based on perfromance, the better team lost.

I don't know if I'd say that, but when you have 396 total yards against your opponent's 339 and 1 turnover to your opponent's 2, you shouldn't lose by 2 scores. And when your quarterback has a QB rating of 22.6 for the game, you really shouldn't expect to win. Strange game, huh?

[Jason Moyer]

Originally Posted by matskralc

You mean like this? Steeler fans take over Carson Street on Pittsburgh's South Side tonight as fans across the region celebrated the team's Super Bowl victory.

That's actually really close to where I lived, near the intersection of Carson and 18th. Strange seeing that Burger King still open at a reasonable hour.

[What!]

Originally Posted by billethius

Perhaps this is just Karma coming back to bite them in the ass from the Giants game. I really do believe that they outplayed the Steelers, but they had some tough calls go against them and some missed opportunities. Tough loss, but a good season for the 'Hawks and I don't see any reason they can't make it back next year.

Agreed, I was impressed with the team. They definatley could compete in the AFC. Hard to think of a team to challenge them in the NFC but it is a long offseason.

[canadiancreed]

Originally Posted by billethius

Perhaps this is just Karma coming back to bite them in the ass from the Giants game. I really do believe that they outplayed the Steelers, but they had some tough calls go against them and some missed opportunities. Tough loss, but a good season for the 'Hawks and I don't see any reason they can't make it back next year.

you wont' get any arguement from me. They outplayed the Steelers but were not "clutch", excluding the penalty fiasco, which would have probably made it a lot closer or even won them the game. If either team had come with their A-game on, they woudl have crushed the other team easily.

Unless that was their A-game....thenn.........yikes

[canadiancreed]

Originally Posted by Kekkonen

I don't know if I'd say that, but when you have 396 total yards against your opponent's 339 and 1 turnover to your opponent's 2, you shouldn't lose by 2 scores. And when your quarterback has a QB rating of 22.6 for the game, you really shouldn't expect to win. Strange game, huh?

Indeed. Again i'm not football expert (I jsut watched because it was in HD< and I got free beer and chili), but it had a very fishy arouma after the first quarter (which the ABC guy kept calling period. Watching hockey too much Micheals?)

[Goody]

Originally Posted by What!

Seahawks did not do enough to say they should have won the game. They made no big plays. Watching the interviews not one seahawk player has said they felt cheated or has complained about the refs. Lofa just said that the Steelers desereved to win and were the better team.

That's just the classy thing to say. Its up to us fans to speak out for them.

[sebastian0622]

Originally Posted by mrskippy

Without these 5 calls I believe Seattle could have squeaked out a win. Take away the PI call and it's 21-17 PIT. Take away the Roethlisberger touchdown and it's 17-14 SEA. Take back the holding call and with the team on the goal line it's either going to be 24-14 SEA or 20-14 SEA. Hasselbeck penalty, which wasn't a penalty, pushes PIT back 15 years. Whether they score or not is beside the point. It's still either 24-14 SEA, 20-14 SEA, 24-7 SEA or 20-7 SEA.

Are you serious? I'm just wondering.

[mrskippy]

Originally Posted by sebastian0622

Are you serious? I'm just wondering.

What's there not to be serious about? The bogus holding call was probably just as big as the Big Ben TD. The Seahawks went from being 1st and Goal on the 1 to throwing a gamebreaking INT (and another bogus penalty). No holding penalty means no INT and no second bogus penalty. It also means no Randle El TD pass as a result of the INT/bogus penalty. From the 1 it's likely that the Seahawks score at least 3, if not 7.

At this point in the game, the momentum was clearly in Seattle's favor. The holding penalty, which was incorrect, changed everything. Period.

Even if you allow Big Ben's TD, take away Randle El's TD pass, and the Seahawks only muster 3, it's only a 14-13 PIT victory (much closer than 21-10). But, given the momentum at the time, I think Seattle was likely to score a TD and probably not lose the progress they were making.