Action Junkie

jpogue · 01-21-2006, 07:51 PM

I guess I am like most Americans and I have a short attention span and very little patience. I do not however like to see an unrealistic amount of trades. And it is my theory that most people who join baseball sims agree with this idea. But they also do not want to start a season then go a month or so waiting for something to happen. I have an idea that if a league went by quickly with alot of action ie a sim every day, then trading would decrease. As there would be quicker results of what is happening. I am not saying a week a day but like 4-5 days that would be a month every week. Which is about average for a league. I am curious if anyone has done this or is in a league that has daily sims. If so can you tell me if my theories are somewhat correct.

WTHawkins · 01-21-2006, 08:09 PM

I am currently in a league called Here I Go Again (HIGA) which is a historical league that sims Mon-Fri with 7 days simmed at a time. When it comes to trading in this league the commisioner has setup a No Trade Clause rule system which is based on how many years a player is signed for during FA and this determines how long the No Trade Clause will apply. It seems to atleast keep numerous trades from happening or at the most atleast prolongs them and forces that team to keep certain players instead of trading them all at once. Of course at the end of the day it all depends on what type of GM's you have, in any league their is usually always a few GM's that always make deals that make you scratch your head but this system set up in HIGA has worked out very well.

Underlined.i · 01-21-2006, 08:57 PM

i just don't understand why people sign up as a team and then start trading right away...ok maybe that's not the team you wanted...but don't you want to test the waters first and see how these guys can play and try to be reasonable about your squad?

WTHawkins · 01-21-2006, 09:53 PM

Usually the best OOTP'ers are the ones that actually are true baseball fans and have kept up with the MLB. I know myself I like to keep the realism and even when rebuilding I don't deal everyone at once, I wait and field offers for available players and then make a deal that I feel offers the most. Or even when shopping players I always remain patient and listen to all the interested teams in order to make the best deal for my orginazation. I think alot of GM's trade just for the fun of it and in my opinion and many other long time OOTP'ers I know, get annoyed by this at times.

jpogue · 01-21-2006, 11:30 PM

Like I said I am an action junkie. I agree with everyone that gets upset with the amount of trading and I get annoyed with it at times. But I am also a person who does not want to join a league and wait 6 weeks for something to happen other than to export lineups. I also think this is why fictional leagues could be more realistic. There is no names involved so no attachment prior to them making your team.

ukhotstove · 01-22-2006, 07:06 AM

Maybe the answer is when a league starts there is no trading for say the first two months of the season, then when the trade window opens you can only make so many deals or deal so many players that way the GM's who join a league just to trade would probably get bored and leave, you may end up with openings on a regular basis for a bit but in the end you would have a league full of GM's on the same wave length.

Underlined.i · 01-23-2006, 02:49 AM

WThawkins you sound like an awesome GM

crazyeights · 01-23-2006, 03:40 PM

I don't mind a lot of trades. Different GMs have different philosphies of what is important in baseball. Some GMs are more concerned about a high batting average or a lot of power or few strikeouts or a good eye. I don't see anything wrong with a GM taking a team and trading away those players that don't fit their philosophy of what makes a winning team.

tward13 · 01-23-2006, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WTHawkins

I am currently in a league called Here I Go Again (HIGA) which is a historical league that sims Mon-Fri with 7 days simmed at a time. When it comes to trading in this league the commisioner has setup a No Trade Clause rule system which is based on how many years a player is signed for during FA and this determines how long the No Trade Clause will apply. It seems to atleast keep numerous trades from happening or at the most atleast prolongs them and forces that team to keep certain players instead of trading them all at once. Of course at the end of the day it all depends on what type of GM's you have, in any league their is usually always a few GM's that always make deals that make you scratch your head but this system set up in HIGA has worked out very well.

I agree.

And there's nothing like joining a league and being badgered by the resident trade freak who can't undeerstand why you don't want to trade all your guys for all his guys.

WTHawkins · 01-23-2006, 05:42 PM

Thanks for the compliment Underlined.i

kybjones · 03-01-2006, 12:28 PM

Yeah, we did no trade clauses in HIGA based upon the amount and length of free agent or extension contracts. For some reason, I can't copy the rule text right now, but basically it is:

Anyone signed to a free agent or extension deal gets at least 1/2 season no trade clause, no exceptions.

If you are signed to a 3m per year or greater contract, we look at number of years signed. 1 or 2, and you just keep the 1/2 season clause. 3 or 4 and you get a full season no trade clause. 5 or more and you get a 2 season no trade clause.

We didn't do this so much to slow down trading as we did to prevent teams from retaining or obtaining assets simply for trade value. Too many leagues I've been in see guys resign current players or sign free agents in which they have no actual interest in keeping, only signing them to turn around and immediately trade them for prospects, which is pretty ridiculous to allow to be abused time and time again. We put these rules in. Although they haven't prevented all "idiot owners" from making some crazy moves, it has added some element of realism to free agency (better free agents, more realistic offers) and added continuity to rosters (players less likely to be traded 2 or 3 times in a season or two).

scprideandms · 03-01-2006, 12:31 PM

The now sadly defunct North American Baseball League (still miss ya Dean, kindof) we did a month a day 4 days a week so a season every 2-3 wks including post season and off season. It made it till like 1927 (?) after starting in 1901...IT WAS A BLAST.......................

astatguy · 03-01-2006, 04:24 PM

Managers I don't like are those who hang like buzzards on AIM and when you log in offer you a 36 yo outfielder with declining skills for the super stud prospect that you drafted number one. And then they can't imagine why you're so negative. My favorite managers are those who take the time to analyze your team and make an offer that improves it, while also improving theirs. Simply swapping players for the sake of making a deal is of no interest to me.

ukhotstove · 03-01-2006, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by astatguy

Managers I don't like are those who hang like buzzards on AIM and when you log in offer you a 36 yo outfielder with declining skills for the super stud prospect that you drafted number one. And then they can't imagine why you're so negative. My favorite managers are those who take the time to analyze your team and make an offer that improves it, while also improving theirs. Simply swapping players for the sake of making a deal is of no interest to me.

Totally agree with you there, I dislike the trade for trades sake that goes on specially when a league starts up and after 2 months of the season Pedro is pitching for his third organisation.

01-21-2006, 07:51 PM	#1
jpogue Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 98	Action Junkie I guess I am like most Americans and I have a short attention span and very little patience. I do not however like to see an unrealistic amount of trades. And it is my theory that most people who join baseball sims agree with this idea. But they also do not want to start a season then go a month or so waiting for something to happen. I have an idea that if a league went by quickly with alot of action ie a sim every day, then trading would decrease. As there would be quicker results of what is happening. I am not saying a week a day but like 4-5 days that would be a month every week. Which is about average for a league. I am curious if anyone has done this or is in a league that has daily sims. If so can you tell me if my theories are somewhat correct.

01-21-2006, 08:09 PM	#2
WTHawkins Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 31	I am currently in a league called Here I Go Again (HIGA) which is a historical league that sims Mon-Fri with 7 days simmed at a time. When it comes to trading in this league the commisioner has setup a No Trade Clause rule system which is based on how many years a player is signed for during FA and this determines how long the No Trade Clause will apply. It seems to atleast keep numerous trades from happening or at the most atleast prolongs them and forces that team to keep certain players instead of trading them all at once. Of course at the end of the day it all depends on what type of GM's you have, in any league their is usually always a few GM's that always make deals that make you scratch your head but this system set up in HIGA has worked out very well. __________________ Will Hawkins UK Wildcats Basketball 7 Championships: 1948, '49, '51, '58, '78, '96, '98

01-21-2006, 09:53 PM	#4
WTHawkins Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 31	Usually the best OOTP'ers are the ones that actually are true baseball fans and have kept up with the MLB. I know myself I like to keep the realism and even when rebuilding I don't deal everyone at once, I wait and field offers for available players and then make a deal that I feel offers the most. Or even when shopping players I always remain patient and listen to all the interested teams in order to make the best deal for my orginazation. I think alot of GM's trade just for the fun of it and in my opinion and many other long time OOTP'ers I know, get annoyed by this at times. __________________ Will Hawkins UK Wildcats Basketball 7 Championships: 1948, '49, '51, '58, '78, '96, '98

01-22-2006, 07:06 AM	#6
ukhotstove Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: North of England Gods Country Posts: 7,175	Maybe the answer is when a league starts there is no trading for say the first two months of the season, then when the trade window opens you can only make so many deals or deal so many players that way the GM's who join a league just to trade would probably get bored and leave, you may end up with openings on a regular basis for a bit but in the end you would have a league full of GM's on the same wave length. __________________ Detroit Diesel Dynasty San Antonio Calzones of Laredo Dynasty

01-23-2006, 05:42 PM	#10
WTHawkins Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 31	Thanks for the compliment Underlined.i __________________ Will Hawkins UK Wildcats Basketball 7 Championships: 1948, '49, '51, '58, '78, '96, '98

01-21-2006, 08:57 PM	#3
Underlined.i Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 141	i just don't understand why people sign up as a team and then start trading right away...ok maybe that's not the team you wanted...but don't you want to test the waters first and see how these guys can play and try to be reasonable about your squad?

01-21-2006, 11:30 PM	#5
jpogue Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 98	Like I said I am an action junkie. I agree with everyone that gets upset with the amount of trading and I get annoyed with it at times. But I am also a person who does not want to join a league and wait 6 weeks for something to happen other than to export lineups. I also think this is why fictional leagues could be more realistic. There is no names involved so no attachment prior to them making your team.

01-23-2006, 02:49 AM	#7
Underlined.i Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 141	WThawkins you sound like an awesome GM

01-23-2006, 03:40 PM	#8
crazyeights Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: St. Louis Posts: 78	I don't mind a lot of trades. Different GMs have different philosphies of what is important in baseball. Some GMs are more concerned about a high batting average or a lot of power or few strikeouts or a good eye. I don't see anything wrong with a GM taking a team and trading away those players that don't fit their philosophy of what makes a winning team.

03-01-2006, 12:28 PM	#11
kybjones Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 42	Yeah, we did no trade clauses in HIGA based upon the amount and length of free agent or extension contracts. For some reason, I can't copy the rule text right now, but basically it is: Anyone signed to a free agent or extension deal gets at least 1/2 season no trade clause, no exceptions. If you are signed to a 3m per year or greater contract, we look at number of years signed. 1 or 2, and you just keep the 1/2 season clause. 3 or 4 and you get a full season no trade clause. 5 or more and you get a 2 season no trade clause. We didn't do this so much to slow down trading as we did to prevent teams from retaining or obtaining assets simply for trade value. Too many leagues I've been in see guys resign current players or sign free agents in which they have no actual interest in keeping, only signing them to turn around and immediately trade them for prospects, which is pretty ridiculous to allow to be abused time and time again. We put these rules in. Although they haven't prevented all "idiot owners" from making some crazy moves, it has added some element of realism to free agency (better free agents, more realistic offers) and added continuity to rosters (players less likely to be traded 2 or 3 times in a season or two).

03-01-2006, 12:31 PM	#12
scprideandms All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: N KY, 25 miles from Cincy Posts: 1,314	The now sadly defunct North American Baseball League (still miss ya Dean, kindof) we did a month a day 4 days a week so a season every 2-3 wks including post season and off season. It made it till like 1927 (?) after starting in 1901...IT WAS A BLAST....................... __________________ Change your playground + change your playfriends + change your playtoys + change your playtime = Change your life. If you keep on doing what you've always done you'll keep on gitting what you've always gotten.

03-01-2006, 04:24 PM	#13
astatguy Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 42	Trade Junkies Managers I don't like are those who hang like buzzards on AIM and when you log in offer you a 36 yo outfielder with declining skills for the super stud prospect that you drafted number one. And then they can't imagine why you're so negative. My favorite managers are those who take the time to analyze your team and make an offer that improves it, while also improving theirs. Simply swapping players for the sake of making a deal is of no interest to me. __________________ Always go to other peoples' funerals, otherwise they won't come to yours. - Yogi Berra NARBL - Atlanta Braves SO49 - Houston Colt 45's MLBC - Milwaukee Braves