Kobe Bryant is approcahing 80 - Page 2

Bobbuttons · 01-23-2006, 01:40 AM

Yeah, but did he pull down 25 rebounds like Wilt?

I find it interesting though..... in tonight's game the Lakers had 18 assists, whereas in Chamberlain's 100 point game his team had 39, including Guy Rogers' 20. Also, in Wilt's game, the rest of his team still scored 69 points... Kobe's only scored 41.

IatricSB · 01-23-2006, 01:42 AM

Still found time for 6 rebounds, 2 assists (?), 3 steals, and a block. Oh and 3 turnovers and 1 foul. Not a bad nights work.

01-23-2006, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobbuttons

Yeah, but did he pull down 25 rebounds like Wilt?

I find it interesting though..... in tonight's game the Lakers had 18 assists, whereas in Chamberlain's 100 point game his team had 39, including Guy Rogers' 20. Also, in Wilt's game, the rest of his team still scored 69 points... Kobe's only scored 41.

Big men tend to generate more assists for teammates. Also, Wilt's game had TONS more possessions than Kobe's game. I haven't done the math, but if you equalize the possessions, Kobe's performance today is likely as impressive or even more impressive than Wilt's 100 point game.

Faroo6 · 01-23-2006, 01:48 AM

What's funny is Bill Simmons blasted Kobe for not staying in the Mavericks game earlier this year to go for 80+. Wonder if Kobe read that column?

KILLERBS24 · 01-23-2006, 01:50 AM

The reason Wilt scored 100 is because he had 25 rebounds. His team had so many assists because they dumped it in to him and he scored with little resistance. Wilt was bigger and stronger than basically everyone he played, the reason he was able to score 100, and score 60 and 70 so many times was due in great deal to the era he played in. Wilt was great but at the time he played he was the exception not the rule, there werent' many 7 footers back then, today more than half the league is 6'9+ and athletic. The athletic ability of the players today compared to Wilts era is so superior that Kobes effort is all the more impressive.

Skipaway · 01-23-2006, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Yyzlin

Big men tend to generate more assists for teammates. Also, Wilt's game had TONS more possessions than Kobe's game. I haven't done the math, but if you equalize the possessions, Kobe's performance today is likely as impressive or even more impressive than Wilt's 100 point game.

Yeah, that was a 169-147 game, not really similar to this one.

Jonzard · 01-23-2006, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Faroo6

What's funny is Bill Simmons blasted Kobe for not staying in the Mavericks game earlier this year to go for 80+. Wonder if Kobe read that column?

I doubt it. A lot of people were talking about that. Even the next day, Kobe was on PTI and they talked about it.

Jair · 01-23-2006, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobbuttons

Yeah, but did he pull down 25 rebounds like Wilt?

I find it interesting though..... in tonight's game the Lakers had 18 assists, whereas in Chamberlain's 100 point game his team had 39, including Guy Rogers' 20. Also, in Wilt's game, the rest of his team still scored 69 points... Kobe's only scored 41.

Amazing. Some people continue to hate, even when it is the toughest achievement in NBA history.

canadiancreed · 01-23-2006, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Jair

Amazing. Some people continue to hate, even when it is the toughest achievement in NBA history.

I read it as putting it into presecptive myself. But different storkes for differnt folks I guess.

Skipaway · 01-23-2006, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by canadiancreed

I read it as putting it into presecptive myself. But different storkes for differnt folks I guess.

You really believe that, or you just have no clue?

ill16ca · 01-23-2006, 03:49 AM

Well, he sure doesn't look his age.

Goody · 01-23-2006, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobbuttons

Yeah, but did he pull down 25 rebounds like Wilt?

I find it interesting though..... in tonight's game the Lakers had 18 assists, whereas in Chamberlain's 100 point game his team had 39, including Guy Rogers' 20. Also, in Wilt's game, the rest of his team still scored 69 points... Kobe's only scored 41.

That's all simply because they play different positions. That's like faulting a OF for getting less assists than a 2B.

PotatoPeeler · 01-23-2006, 05:02 AM

I guess I'm the only one who's not impressed. I thought basketball was a team sport. Guess not.

Skipaway · 01-23-2006, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by PotatoPeeler

I guess I'm the only one who's not impressed. I thought basketball was a team sport. Guess not.

What does that anything to do with this?

Skipaway · 01-23-2006, 05:35 AM

If a player refused to bunt when a bunt could win the game, then the player isn't showing team spirit. If a player is bunting only because he hit way too many homeruns than other teammates, than that's retarted.

bagsangels · 01-23-2006, 07:00 AM

kobe is just going off! amazing basketball player.

boilermaker · 01-23-2006, 07:12 AM

The Kobe haters better get well acquainted with the depth of the Lakers roster before they make their ill informed judgments.

AnotherAlias · 01-23-2006, 09:44 AM

I'd hate to be his elbow, the next day.

What a great performance. Very impressive.

Eckstein 4 Prez · 01-23-2006, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by PotatoPeeler

I guess I'm the only one who's not impressed. I thought basketball was a team sport. Guess not.

This is one of the few times when I've been rendered utterly speechless by a sports-related comment. I guess all I can do is quote this article, which gets it exactly right:

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Kobe Bryant scored 81 points on Sunday – enough to rank second all time to Wilt Chamberlain's immortal 100-point game in 1962 and knock the NFL off the front burner of sports conversations – and yet people still will criticize him.

Count on it. They'll say he should have passed more (he had just two assists). They'll say he just did it for the spotlight. They'll point to his 18 misses, not his 28 makes.

They'll go on and on. Only in basketball could a guy score 81 points, make history, send every ticket holder home with a story of a lifetime, cause cell phones across America to ring with "Are you watching this?" calls, generally create amazement and wonder – and still get criticized.

But watch it happen.

Kobe Bryant kicked ass Sunday, and if you can't understand that, then you need to try. This wasn't about Bryant being a ball hog or a bad teammate. Quite the contrary. The Los Angeles Lakers were getting pounded by the Toronto Raptors (down 16 at one point) until Kobe looked at his bad teammates and decided to try to win the game – which the Lakers did, 122-104.

"It just happened," Bryant said afterward. "For me, it was all about the W. I thought we were lethargic. I wanted to ride the wave and demoralize our opponent."

And people want to criticize that?

You know, even if a few of those points were unnecessary – and because the game was in doubt until late in the fourth quarter, not many of them were – who cares? Really, what is wrong with trying to make history? Don't the Raptors get paid, too?

If a baseball player hits a home run in his first three at-bats, does anyone blame him for swinging for the fences his next time up? Does anyone complain when a manager doesn't even think to take a tiring pitcher out of a no-hitter, even if it is the best move for the team to win?

When Peyton Manning is trying to set a single-season touchdown record and calls for pass plays on first-and-goal from the 1, does anyone care?

Of course not, you expect it. You demand it, even.

So why in basketball does it matter? Is it because the players are mostly black? Is it because they are prone to preening?

Is it because in basketball you have to play both offense and defense on every single possession you are in the game, and as a result your weaknesses are up for double exposure? Is it because Kobe Bryant can be rather unlikable – be it the Shaquille O'Neal thing, or the Eagle, Colo., thing, or so many other things?

Is it because there remains this "Hoosiers"-inspired purity to the game, even if coach Norman Dale would have wanted Jimmy Chitwood to keep shooting?

Maybe it is all of that above. I don't know.

I do know that back in the 1960s and '70s it wasn't like this. The gunner was celebrated. Pete Maravich, David Thompson, even Larry Bird (in the 1980s) all admittedly were selfish on some nights. It was fun. It was part of the show.

Sublimity · 01-23-2006, 10:37 AM

This kinda reminds me of Steve Smith vs... a bunch of teams this year. Why not double or triple team Kobe all game? Make him work the whole game for anything. If other players on the team start stepping up, good for them. But I'm not giving up 50+ to Kobe. He's proven he can win games for the Lakers. Let's see someone else do that for them.

01-23-2006, 01:40 AM	#21
Bobbuttons Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Picturesque Mentor-on-the-Lake, Ohio Posts: 3,708	Yeah, but did he pull down 25 rebounds like Wilt? I find it interesting though..... in tonight's game the Lakers had 18 assists, whereas in Chamberlain's 100 point game his team had 39, including Guy Rogers' 20. Also, in Wilt's game, the rest of his team still scored 69 points... Kobe's only scored 41. __________________ Frankenstein never scared me. Marsupials do....cause they're fast! Gibson swings, and a fly ball to deep right field! This is gonna be a home run! Unbelievable! A home run for Gibson! And the Dodgers have won the game, 5 to 4; I don't believe what I just saw! I don't believe what I just saw!

01-23-2006, 01:42 AM	#22
IatricSB Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California Posts: 3,493	Still found time for 6 rebounds, 2 assists (?), 3 steals, and a block. Oh and 3 turnovers and 1 foul. Not a bad nights work. __________________ Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body; but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!" Chicago(N) - Boys of Summer Oakland - 20th Century League Bakersfield - Wild Things Brooklyn - QBA Dodge City - NBSL California - ABC Dodger's Senioriest fan on the OOTP Boards

01-23-2006, 01:50 AM	#25
KILLERBS24 All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 938	The reason Wilt scored 100 is because he had 25 rebounds. His team had so many assists because they dumped it in to him and he scored with little resistance. Wilt was bigger and stronger than basically everyone he played, the reason he was able to score 100, and score 60 and 70 so many times was due in great deal to the era he played in. Wilt was great but at the time he played he was the exception not the rule, there werent' many 7 footers back then, today more than half the league is 6'9+ and athletic. The athletic ability of the players today compared to Wilts era is so superior that Kobes effort is all the more impressive. __________________ Asterisked legacy: Barry Bonds, the greatest steroid user ever

01-23-2006, 05:02 AM	#33
PotatoPeeler Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Rapid City, SD Posts: 3,639	I guess I'm the only one who's not impressed. I thought basketball was a team sport. Guess not. __________________ 培傑西 I have never taken a lesson on how to talk on TV in my life. - Tim McCarver Guns have only two enemies; rust and liberals. The world is a comedy to those that think; a tragedy to those that feel.

01-23-2006, 05:35 AM	#35
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	If a player refused to bunt when a bunt could win the game, then the player isn't showing team spirit. If a player is bunting only because he hit way too many homeruns than other teammates, than that's retarted. __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

01-23-2006, 03:49 AM	#31
ill16ca All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 690	Well, he sure doesn't look his age.

01-23-2006, 07:00 AM	#36
bagsangels Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 332	kobe is just going off! amazing basketball player.

01-23-2006, 07:12 AM	#37
boilermaker All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 1,956	The Kobe haters better get well acquainted with the depth of the Lakers roster before they make their ill informed judgments.

01-23-2006, 09:44 AM	#38
AnotherAlias Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I'm back...for now Posts: 4,190	I'd hate to be his elbow, the next day. What a great performance. Very impressive.

01-23-2006, 10:37 AM	#40
Sublimity Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: This thread. Posts: 3,199	This kinda reminds me of Steve Smith vs... a bunch of teams this year. Why not double or triple team Kobe all game? Make him work the whole game for anything. If other players on the team start stepping up, good for them. But I'm not giving up 50+ to Kobe. He's proven he can win games for the Lakers. Let's see someone else do that for them. __________________ mrs ria: I hereby dub Sublimity the Glorious Upholder of the 5B3. Current leading vote-getter in the Worst Poster in OT History poll.